Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MorganSercu]

@Salty

agree with everything you said. But I would change “he shouldn’t have shot her” to “she should never have been shot.”

Just because I’m not convinced that he shot her.

I feel you.

[trubandloki]

Great point @Salty!

[3PonyFarm]

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

[BrownDerby]

@trubandloki

Now we know you were not paying attention.

At least we got punctuation.

[BrendaJane]

true, but the house was considered condemned not fit for habitation.
Shutting utilities off would be prudent to avoid accidents in a structure needing repairs.

[Sdel]

@3PonyFarm

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

I assume now that the criminal charges are acquitted they will now focus on the specifics of the complaint that was made. Considering the information that LK’s earlier reports against MHG were dismissed, I assume eventually these will as well. Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

[ekat]

@Davignport

Regarding the civil trial, does anyone know if Judge Taylor will be presiding or if there will be a different judge? Not sure how that works so maybe some of the legal people here might have insight on that. It would be nice to have Taylor hear ALL of the things that will hopefully come out about these people and just how evil they really are. I would think the judge would not have so much leeway as to say what is and what is not allowed as that was very frustrating to watch. Maybe after the civil trial,he won’t be so disappointed in the verdict.

It’s a different court, different judge. The judge in a civil case can still say what is coming into court, but there is a whole huge ton of difference in what’s allowed in a civil trial vs a criminal trial. A wide, wide world of difference.

The biggest difference will be that LK’s behavior in the criminal trial was limited to its affect on the state of mind of the defendant.

In the civil trial, however, MB gets to explore her legal obligations to mitigate her damages, and her comparative negligence that led to the shooting.

On LK’s side, they are going to be allowed to delve into MB in a way that would never be allowed in a criminal trial as well.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

You conclude JK did “force” MB into continuing the training relationship, even though you don’t know concretely what type of force was used?

I am going on history. JK has a history of running after LK and RG and making things happen for them.
I am sure even Seeker would agree with that.

If you are unaware of this fact then you have not been reading this very thread very well.

Thanks for the example. According to Eggbutt, JK made a phone call “insisting” they give RG his job back, and was unsuccessful in accomplishing his objective (according to EB, the owners hung up on him.)

So in that case JK was unsuccessful in “forcing” the business owner to rehire RG.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Thanks for the example. According to Eggbutt, JK made a phone call “insisting” they give RG his job back, and was unsuccessful in accomplishing his objective (according to EB, the owners hung up on him.)

So in that case JK was unsuccessful in “forcing” the business owner to rehire RG.

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[Moderator_1]

There has been a lot of personal commentary back and forth on this thread recently, cutesy re-working of each other’s usernames, a general focus on each other vs. the case itself.

Again, it’s understandable why this topic gets heated, all around. Regardless, if you are choosing to post here, please redirect the conversation to the related court cases, past and future, and issues directly related to them vs. the focus on who is posting what and why and your thoughts about it. This reminder goes for participants on all “sides” of the discussion.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

I assume now that the criminal charges are acquitted they will now focus on the specifics of the complaint that was made. Considering the information that LK’s earlier reports against MHG were dismissed, I assume eventually these will as well. Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

Interesting.

LKs original complaint against MB was for bullying, which I think would have been adjudicated by USEF rather than SS.

This says that the adjudicating body is SS, not USDF, so I would interpret this as meaning that SS is now investigating the the shooting as the misconduct. If Barisone had been convicted, he would have been banned, but since he was not convicted, SS is now investigating. That’s my interpretation.

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

What does the “No Contact Directive” mean in this context?

[ekat]

From SS’s website:

8. No Contact Directive(s)
   a. This is typically when a Participant is prohibited from communicating in any way
   or through any medium with another party(ies) while an investigation is ongoing, to avoid potential conflict, confrontation, or further escalation

CDD-Link-1-overview-and-definitions-v2.pdf

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

I assume now that the criminal charges are acquitted they will now focus on the specifics of the complaint that was made. Considering the information that LK’s earlier reports against MHG were dismissed, I assume eventually these will as well. Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

Interesting.

LKs original complaint against MB was for bullying, which I think would have been adjudicated by USEF rather than SS.

This says that the adjudicating body is SS, not USDF, so I would interpret this as meaning that SS is now investigating the the shooting as the misconduct. If Barisone had been convicted, he would have been banned, but since he was not convicted, SS is now investigating. That’s my interpretation.

LK has stated she reported him to SS and that SS didn’t care unless it was about minors, so she told them about minors. The CPS worker stated they were referred by SS.

Forgive me for believing the sources connected to the case rather than a “random nobody” on the internet. I think it stands to reason, they are investigating her report of him about minors that she says she made to SS against him. Do I need to provide sources? I have at least two or three screenshots of claims made outside of COTH as well.

[BrendaJane]

I suppose RG is actively involved in the case, but being the outlier and the hired hand, he surely is included in the order?

[Omgitsme]

Forgive my ignorance but what is bible study? Do they try to analyze the bible?

[ekat]

@BrendaJane

I suppose RG is actively involved in the case, but being the outlier and the hired hand, he surely is included in the order?

I wonder that too. Who do they consider “participants”? I was going to say something about common sense here but that seems to be lacking in many aspects of this whole situation.

[BrendaJane]

well, common sense is dearly lacking, in society as well the law at times.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

No Contact Directive(s)
a. This is typically when a Participant is prohibited from communicating in any way
or through any medium with another party(ies) while an investigation is ongoing, to avoid potential conflict, confrontation, or further escalation

So it means MB himself cannot discuss the SS investigation with anyone else? Does that include his attorneys?

[Omgitsme]

I can’t imagine that would include attorneys.