Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[SillyHorse]

@DownYonder

@ekat

No Contact Directive(s)
a. This is typically when a Participant is prohibited from communicating in any way
or through any medium with another party(ies) while an investigation is ongoing, to avoid potential conflict, confrontation, or further escalation

So it means MB himself cannot discuss the SS investigation with anyone else? Does that include his attorneys?

Just a guess from a non-legal mind, but I think “parties” means parties involved in the suit (plaintiff(s) & defendant(s)).

[trubandloki]

@DownYonder

Does that include his attorneys?

I can not imagine they can write an order that does not allow him to discuss something with his attorneys.

[MorganSercu]

Using a term too generally can cause greater misunderstanding than simply serving someone the wrong drink. Take, for example, the term “Bible study” as it is often used in the local church. On the typical church website, it’s not uncommon to find classes on marriage, finances, parenting, prayer, and books of the Bible all listed as “Bible studies.”

In these gatherings, good things happen. People connect to one another in community. They share needs, confess sins, and explore topics through the lens of Scripture. But not all of these classes are Bible studies.

Over time, “Bible study” has become a catchall to describe all kinds of gatherings. In the words of the esteemed linguist Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride , “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

As we have expanded our use of the term, we have decreased the number of actual Bible studies we offer. Churches have gradually shifted away from offering basic Bible study in favor of studies that are topical or devotional, adopting formats that more closely resemble a book club discussion than a class that teaches Scripture.

And “Lineage of Grace” is not studying the Bible. It’s more like fan fiction, or “historical fiction”. Like Phillippa Gregory books, but using people mentioned in the Bible. In this instance, Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Bathsheba and Mary.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

What does the “No Contact Directive” mean in this context?

Just as it is for MHG, Barisone can not be mentioned publicly nor can any contact be made with him by the persons named in the complaint, which I am assuming to be the same MHG complaint. So, if the Kanareks pursue discussing Barisone or Gray on social media, USEF will not be pleased. Everyone involved would have received official notice of the no contact order.

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

I can not imagine they can write an order that does not allow him to discuss something with his attorneys.

That is what I was thinking, which is why I asked.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

@ekat

No Contact Directive(s)
a. This is typically when a Participant is prohibited from communicating in any way
or through any medium with another party(ies) while an investigation is ongoing, to avoid potential conflict, confrontation, or further escalation

So it means MB himself cannot discuss the SS investigation with anyone else? Does that include his attorneys?

Barisone hasn’t publicly spoken about the case to anyone, neither had MHG. That said, I suspect both have been interviewed by 48 Hours with their attorneys present and perhaps with consent of USEF…but an interview is not publicly speaking unless the interview is published.

This could be exactly why we have not heard anything more from IM (just guessing on my part because I don’t know who IM is IRL).

[DownYonder]

@MorganSercu

And “Lineage of Grace” is not studying the Bible. It’s more like fan fiction, or “historical fiction”. Like Phillippa Gregory books, but using people mentioned in the Bible. In this instance, Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Bathsheba and Mary.

So it is sort of like reading Ben-Hur and claiming it is “studying the Bible.”

[MorganSercu]

Pretty much. If you don’t have people arguing over the original text vs. what has been filtered through Greek and from there to other languages, it’s not study. It’s a social event that may involve mimosas.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

I assume now that the criminal charges are acquitted they will now focus on the specifics of the complaint that was made. Considering the information that LK’s earlier reports against MHG were dismissed, I assume eventually these will as well. Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

Interesting.

LKs original complaint against MB was for bullying, which I think would have been adjudicated by USEF rather than SS.

This says that the adjudicating body is SS, not USDF, so I would interpret this as meaning that SS is now investigating the the shooting as the misconduct. If Barisone had been convicted, he would have been banned, but since he was not convicted, SS is now investigating. That’s my interpretation.

LK has stated she reported him to SS and that SS didn’t care unless it was about minors, so she told them about minors. The CPS worker stated they were referred by SS.

Forgive me for believing the sources connected to the case rather than a “random nobody” on the internet. I think it stands to reason, they are investigating her report of him about minors that she says she made to SS against him. Do I need to provide sources? I have at least two or three screenshots of claims made outside of COTH as well.

So you think that based on the NGRI verdict, SS has cleared him of the misconduct having to do with the shooting?

In the absence of any other complaint, such as one you claim was made by LK about minors, do you think based on the NGRI verdict SS would have fully reinstated him at this time?

I don’t think he will be reinstated in any form until he passed the requirements to be released from the psychiatric facility. His release from the psychiatric facility I would expect would have restrictions.

Given the NGRI verdict it makes sense to me that SS would think hard about what restrictions they want to put on his return to participation.

If LK made false accusations about him re minors of any type, the negative consequences would fall on her.

Please don’t bother with the screenshots.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Did anyone figure out why the wording changed in the SS suspension for MB?

I assume now that the criminal charges are acquitted they will now focus on the specifics of the complaint that was made. Considering the information that LK’s earlier reports against MHG were dismissed, I assume eventually these will as well. Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

Interesting.

LKs original complaint against MB was for bullying, which I think would have been adjudicated by USEF rather than SS.

This says that the adjudicating body is SS, not USDF, so I would interpret this as meaning that SS is now investigating the the shooting as the misconduct. If Barisone had been convicted, he would have been banned, but since he was not convicted, SS is now investigating. That’s my interpretation.

LK has stated she reported him to SS and that SS didn’t care unless it was about minors, so she told them about minors. The CPS worker stated they were referred by SS.

Forgive me for believing the sources connected to the case rather than a “random nobody” on the internet. I think it stands to reason, they are investigating her report of him about minors that she says she made to SS against him. Do I need to provide sources? I have at least two or three screenshots of claims made outside of COTH as well.

So you think that based on the NGRI verdict, SS has cleared him of the misconduct having to do with the shooting?

In the absence of any other complaint, such as one you claim was made by LK about minors, do you think based on the NGRI verdict SS would have fully reinstated him at this time?

I don’t think he will be reinstated in any form until he passed the requirements to be released from the psychiatric facility. His release from the psychiatric facility I would expect would have restrictions.

Given the NGRI verdict it makes sense to me that SS would think hard about what restrictions they want to put on his return to participation.

If LK made false accusations about him re minors of any type, the negative consequences would fall on her.

Please don’t bother with the screenshots.

My bet he would have to be fully released.

[jvanrens]

@hut-ho78

@RND

I wonder if 48 Hours is going to cover the grotesque victim shaming aspect that has gone on here on the COTH forums for more than two years? It would be quite the story - “lonely, elderly ladies find comfort and companionship in years long online abuse of shooting victim”.

At least the moderator finally admitted that they are only letting everyone continue to abuse the Kanareks here because they consider them to be famous, and that those of you who continue to bash them are protected while no one else is allowed to bash all of you in kind.

Exactly. Thank you.

I guess that could include both of you since you’re here posting away. Must not have anything else to do between the home exercise classes and movies in the lounge?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@MorganSercu

they were supposed to be gone, I would have cut off the water & electricity to underscore they were out and to stay out. Even if it was only for a few weeks. To get the message across.

Plus changing the locks and alarming every entry point.

But hindsight is easy.

They should have been out. They shouldn’t have been in yhe residence to fix the fire alarms. As soon as they were supposed to be out, o would have shut off water and utilities, and changed the locks and es orted them off yhe property with several large SUVs and accompanying large men. Their hotses would have followed within the hour, or prior, to one of the many stabled willing to take them. Done and dusted. Put them in a car and take her off property.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@ekat

No Contact Directive(s)
a. This is typically when a Participant is prohibited from communicating in any way
or through any medium with another party(ies) while an investigation is ongoing, to avoid potential conflict, confrontation, or further escalation

So it means MB himself cannot discuss the SS investigation with anyone else? Does that include his attorneys?

I think it means MB may not contact LK, RG, and JK.

[MorganSercu]

Gets my vote. I wish it had unfolded in exactly that manner.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

Just as it is for MHG, Barisone can not be mentioned publicly nor can any contact be made with him by the persons named in the complaint, which I am assuming to be the same MHG complaint. So, if the Kanareks pursue discussing Barisone or Gray on social media, USEF will not be pleased. Everyone involved would have received official notice of the no contact order.

Just curious - how are those orders enforced against individuals who are not USEF members (such as RG and LK’s family members)?

[DownYonder]

@MorganSercu

It’s a social event that may involve mimosas.

Sign me up!

[Ambitious_Kate]

@eggbutt

the spirit of full disclosure (why not, seems my life has become an open book on this forum), I am 71 years old - 72 on Sunday ! I am not in a wheelchair, an invalid, experiencing dementia, losing control of my bodily functions, don’t have one foot in the grave, etc. The idea that anyone wants to bash anyone’s age or make assumptions about age speaks volumes. I can promise you that even on the eve of becoming 72 long years old, I can run rings around Lauren AND her mother every day of the week and twice on Thursdays.

In my 72 years of life on this planet, I have never, ever been arrested for anything, not even close. I have been successful in several areas of interest both commercially, and privately. I have volunteered for one group or another for well over 50 years and am sought after to help organize activities. I have no shame in my life with a successful family of goal-oriented members of a functioning society. My family does not target others to destroy, defraud or take advantage of. My family does not conspire to Finish the Bastard under any circumstances. Am I a saint, heavens no…simply a relatively good human being living in a society organized to protect, educate, and help others. My family appears to be polar opposites of the Kanarek mob. Thankfully.

Oh, let’s address this too - I am agnostic after studying religions most of my life. I tend to lean on science more than fantasy, yet I also like to read tarot cards and horoscopes for fun. My experiences with the hypocrisy of organized religion have caused me to run, not walk, as far away from such people as I can manage at my advanced state of physical deterioation.

Let’s see, what else should I disclose before someone decides to r

Ditto! Same! Verbatim! Only I’m 64!

[BigMama1]

@DownYonder

So it is sort of like reading Ben-Hur and claiming it is “studying the Bible.”

Seriously? Seeker’s crazy comments about the case and her family are fair game for discussion, because they are relevant to the topic. But do we need to dissect the reading choices of her book club or Bible study group? That just seems petty and supports the “mean girls” view of the posters here.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Notice that SS has issued a no contact directive for MB’s case now.

What does the “No Contact Directive” mean in this context?

Just as it is for MHG, Barisone can not be mentioned publicly nor can any contact be made with him by the persons named in the complaint, which I am assuming to be the same MHG complaint. So, if the Kanareks pursue discussing Barisone or Gray on social media, USEF will not be pleased. Everyone involved would have received official notice of the no contact order.

What body issued the no contact order you’re talking about? USEF? The only no contact directive on public record is the SS one prohibiting MB from contacting LK and RG.

Also, as I read the no contact directive from SS, it said that he could not contact them, not that he couldn’t “discuss them” on SM.

[Ambitious_Kate]

No they are fair game. She’s throwing the nasty christianity at us, throwing her religiosity into the forum, of course we can dissect it. When she proselytize and vomits platitudes she can be called up for hypocrisy. She introduced the topic. Some of us know more about her religion than she does