Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[lazaret]

@hut-ho78

There is no basis.

Are you suggesting that it is totally normal for someone who is mentally healthy and emotionally secure to comport themselves the way the individual in question has?

That it is no indication whatsoever of some sort of problem?

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@smoofox

@RND

@cutter99

You have the option to leave this thread, even leave this board if you choose. No one is keeping you here.

This applies to all of us and we all know it. Your entire post is a waste of everyone’s time and I know this without even reading past the part that I quoted.

This is being completely dismissive of other opinions, but to each his/her own. I read the entirety of every post - even if it is one I know I will disagree with. I want to try and understand the viewpoints of others. But I guess that’s just me…

@SierraMist

He attempted to murder someone because he became extremely obsessive and delusional about LK. The defense psychiatrist emphatically testified to that. His obsession was fueled in part by people on social media.

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I’m hoping the best for MB, the verdict was absolutely correct. He needs serious help.

I do not think MB was delusional about LK. He saw her actions and heard her words first hand. He did not make any of it up. It was not a personal delusion that she was out to get him - sadly, it was a fact. Whatever his other issues had been in the past he was obviously handling them and doing well… before the LK situation went south.

It is true that his paranoia and anxiety was likely partially fueled by comments on SM in addition to what he was going through in RL and experiencing LK in real time. The comments on SM that added fuel to the fire - came from LK… how many pages of them? I forget…

I am not sure how having to deal with a Finish The Bastard kind of person/message is delusional. It was Out There for all to see and hear and read…

I also am hoping for the best for MB - and hope he can rise above this and get help in doing so.

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Again - I experienced a perfectly happy, successful barn and business (on a much lower level than MB’s) dissolving into anxiety and chaos at the twisted whims of one person. Lives were forever altered - and one ended in distress and turmoil related to one person’s actions. I know many reading this will roll their eyes and think “there smoofox goes again with this whining” … but situations like that simply cannot be dismissed as if they never happened… or diminished. We learn from it - and move on. But we never forget.

Do you agree then with Dr Schlesinger who stated there were no delusions, MB was sane, and is faking insanity?

Better question:

Do you think you’re being clever?

Actually no. I’m confused as to how someone can accept Dr Schlesinger’s basis and reject Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s basis yet then reject Dr Schlesinger’s results and accept Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s. Then again it fits with the cherry picking of information to support a social media lynch mob verdict.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

There is no basis.

Are you suggesting that it is totally normal for someone who is mentally healthy and emotionally secure to comport themselves the way the individual in question has?

That it is no indication whatsoever of some sort of problem?

Not at all. I’m saying MB isn’t the only person with issues and to choose to give compassion to one and not give compassion to another even with rampant non mental health trained diagnosis and labeling is quite a contradiction.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78

I’m saying MB isn’t the only person with issues

Clearly.

[Ghazzu]

Just because someone has issues it doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t also a horrible person.

[smoofox]

@hut-ho78

Actually no. I’m confused as to how someone can accept Dr Schlesinger’s basis and reject Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s basis yet then reject Dr Schlesinger’s results and accept Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s. Then again it fits with the cherry picking of information to support a social media lynch mob verdict.

Ummm… WHAT? I am not cherry picking anything to support whatever conspiracy theory you have created. I was just sharing my opinion that it was NOT a delusion that LK was out to get MB, it was a fact. You know - finish the bastard. A campaign that merrily and gleefully pushed him past the point of despair - and drove him to a final and tragic confrontation.

@Wilbury_Pie - thank you for your kind words.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@smoofox

@RND

@cutter99

You have the option to leave this thread, even leave this board if you choose. No one is keeping you here.

This applies to all of us and we all know it. Your entire post is a waste of everyone’s time and I know this without even reading past the part that I quoted.

This is being completely dismissive of other opinions, but to each his/her own. I read the entirety of every post - even if it is one I know I will disagree with. I want to try and understand the viewpoints of others. But I guess that’s just me…

@SierraMist

He attempted to murder someone because he became extremely obsessive and delusional about LK. The defense psychiatrist emphatically testified to that. His obsession was fueled in part by people on social media.

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I’m hoping the best for MB, the verdict was absolutely correct. He needs serious help.

I do not think MB was delusional about LK. He saw her actions and heard her words first hand. He did not make any of it up. It was not a personal delusion that she was out to get him - sadly, it was a fact. Whatever his other issues had been in the past he was obviously handling them and doing well… before the LK situation went south.

It is true that his paranoia and anxiety was likely partially fueled by comments on SM in addition to what he was going through in RL and experiencing LK in real time. The comments on SM that added fuel to the fire - came from LK… how many pages of them? I forget…

I am not sure how having to deal with a Finish The Bastard kind of person/message is delusional. It was Out There for all to see and hear and read…

I also am hoping for the best for MB - and hope he can rise above this and get help in doing so.

---

Again - I experienced a perfectly happy, successful barn and business (on a much lower level than MB’s) dissolving into anxiety and chaos at the twisted whims of one person. Lives were forever altered - and one ended in distress and turmoil related to one person’s actions. I know many reading this will roll their eyes and think “there smoofox goes again with this whining” … but situations like that simply cannot be dismissed as if they never happened… or diminished. We learn from it - and move on. But we never forget.

Do you agree then with Dr Schlesinger who stated there were no delusions, MB was sane, and is faking insanity?

Better question:

Do you think you’re being clever?

Actually no. I’m confused as to how someone can accept Dr Schlesinger’s basis and reject Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s basis yet then reject Dr Schlesinger’s results and accept Dr Simring’s and Dr Hasson’s. Then again it fits with the cherry picking of information to support a social media lynch mob verdict.

Confused?

Gee I guess that’s your burden to bear. No one else (other than LK supporters) has the same confusion and most importantly, the jury didn’t.

If your confusion persists and is irksome to you might I suggest taking some night courses in law?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

There is no basis.

Are you suggesting that it is totally normal for someone who is mentally healthy and emotionally secure to comport themselves the way the individual in question has?

That it is no indication whatsoever of some sort of problem?

Not at all. I’m saying MB isn’t the only person with issues and to choose to give compassion to one and not give compassion to another even with rampant non mental health trained diagnosis and labeling is quite a contradiction.

I myself have suggested to LK to seek help on multiple occasions.

[eggbutt]

@Knights_Mom

@RND

@KurPlexed

I think what you may be feeling as LK bashing is really people finally feeling safe enough to come out of the woodwork and expose even more of her nastiness and then the reactions to those posts.

You might be right if everyone who is making disgusting assumptions and accusations about LK and her family were posting their own actual interactions with her, but they aren’t; they are just guessing at what might have happened based on what they want to be true, and LK doesn’t even have the ability to defend herself here because she’s been banned. If this was happening to anyone but LK, everyone here would be horrified. Seriously, think about that honestly for a minute.

Oh I’m sorry… are we not reacting to our abuser getting a good ole dose of karma in a manner you approve of?

Are we not discussing someone getting their comeuppance properly?

Are we not expressing our happiness with an entire jury seeing what we saw?

What can I say?

I guess you feel she is our target.

I have RND ignored/muted but I gather they are upset that so many are finally speaking up aboud Lauren. Gentle tell RND to return to the beginning threads and read every post. I guarantee they will learn many stories about what Lauren has done to posters here. She is indefensible.

[CHT]

In general, the horse industry seems horrific about NOT calling out bad behaviour. I don’t know why, but bad actors, scammers, predators etc seem to get a pass. Why is that? We need to clean up our industry and expect better from all involved - clients and professionals - and stop being afraid of shining a light on bad behaviour, including lying and bullying… as long as all that is posted is true.

[eggbutt]

Bless your

[eggbutt]

This thread has gone so far into The Twilight Zone with these LK FanGirls, I can’t even fathom their devotion. Being supportive of someone is one thing but being blind to truth is indeed a horse of a different color.

Just think, once again, if these LK Support Team recruits weren’t posting, the thread would be dying down.

I strongly urge folks to Walk On By.

[BigMama1]

@Seeker1

Wishing you all a joyous holiday whichever one you celebrate. I pray that all of you find the peace that passeth understanding and foster love, kindness, compassion and empathy in your hearts. Im so sad for everyone in this mess and hope that each person involved directly or on the sidelines can learn valuable lessons from this horrible experience.

Thank you for these kind thoughts. I hope this horrific experience can be a life-changing event for your family, particularly your daughter. I hope she is inspired to use her energies and strengths for good - to help people and lift them up, rather than always seeking to destroy and tear people down.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

Wishing you all a joyous holiday whichever one you celebrate. I pray that all of you find the peace that passeth understanding and foster love, kindness, compassion and empathy in your hearts. Im so sad for everyone in this mess and hope that each person involved directly or on the sidelines can learn valuable lessons from this horrible experience.

Are you serious??? You do realize the disgust for your family now reaches much, much farther than this small horse forum, don’t you? That horse has left the gate and I would urge you to concentrate on your family and getting them the help they need to no longer target and victimize so many others. If you are unable to admit to yourself that your family needs serious, long term help, perhaps it would be better if you refrain from all social media. I can guarantee you it will become much, much worse once the civil trial begins. The Kanarek family can no longer attempt to control the narrative. Hate it for you, Kirby. Honestly, I am enjoying the desperation your family is displaying today…it’s what many have experienced for many years because of a Kanarek. Peace be with you.

[trubandloki]

@BigMama1

@Seeker1

Wishing you all a joyous holiday whichever one you celebrate. I pray that all of you find the peace that passeth understanding and foster love, kindness, compassion and empathy in your hearts. Im so sad for everyone in this mess and hope that each person involved directly or on the sidelines can learn valuable lessons from this horrible experience.

Thank you for these kind thoughts. I hope this horrific experience can be a life-changing event for your family, particularly your daughter. I hope she is inspired to use her energies and strengths for good - to help people and lift them up, rather than always seeking to destroy and tear people down.

We can hope this is the case, but the things she has posted since the verdict show she is still the same 'ol LK.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

@Seeker1

Wishing you all a joyous holiday whichever one you celebrate. I pray that all of you find the peace that passeth understanding and foster love, kindness, compassion and empathy in your hearts. Im so sad for everyone in this mess and hope that each person involved directly or on the sidelines can learn valuable lessons from this horrible experience.

Are you serious??? You do realize the disgust for your family now reaches much, much farther than this small horse forum, don’t you? That horse has left the gate and I would urge you to concentrate on your family and getting them the help they need to no longer target and victimize so many others. If you are unable to admit to yourself that your family needs serious, long term help, perhaps it would be better if you refrain from all social media. I can guarantee you it will become much, much worse once the civil trial begins. The Kanarek family can no longer attempt to control the narrative. Hate it for you, Kirby. Honestly, I am enjoying the desperation your family is displaying today…it’s what many have experienced for many years because of a Kanarek. Peace be with you.

There is no change of behavior and there won’t be one. I base this on LK not even pausing a second before doing the same behavior again in various places on the net.

[Scribbler]

@CHT

In general, the horse industry seems horrific about NOT calling out bad behaviour. I don’t know why, but bad actors, scammers, predators etc seem to get a pass. Why is that? We need to clean up our industry and expect better from all involved - clients and professionals - and stop being afraid of shining a light on bad behaviour, including lying and bullying… as long as all that is posted is true.

I think the issue is structural. The “horse industry” is many different disciplines each in its own silo. It is run on a small business model, most trainers are self employed. There is no accreditation or licensing or oversight, and even Safe Sport is very new. And the horse business is historically shady and secretive.

So there often is no way to even publicize the bad actors. For instance I sometimes stumble across FB posts on hay scammers in other provinces, but they could move to a new area and start over agsin because there’s no central data.

Usually problematic trainers have some positive characteristics. They may be initially charming, they may flatter, they may over promise, and be genuinely attracted to the shiny new thing. And the lack of a laddered rider education program means clients can also exxagerate their skills and commitment. Many trainer/client disputes boil down to mismatched expectations, which also involve expenses. Some clients constantly hop between trainers looking for the right match, while others stay too long in the wrong program and grow to resent it.

Anyhow it’s a very decentralized unregulated industry based on small business or self employed trainers, it’s very private and even secretive about costs and even horse health, it runs on personal relationships and local reputation, and people are very emotionally invested in their luxury pets.

I mean there isn’t even a database that shows all the boarding barns in my metro area. Let alone who is training where.

Or a database for farriers showing training and rates. Or indeed any other horse service. You just start where you find yourself and get recommendations from those around you.

[roseymare]

I have wondered this myself. We had a local guy who didn’t feed his stock, was a known abuser of both people and animals and YET still people went to his place for team pennings, bred to his stallions, allowed him to provide stock for shows etc etc. Turns out he ended up killing his wife.
And of course we had the local men whom no one let alone with the underage.

[MHM]

Aww. The old drama llama. I haven’t seen a reference to him in a while.

Maybe he should be named Sidecar to go along with our beloved Sidebar from the NJ state seal in the courtroom.

Then we would be able to say things like, “You really went for a long spin on Sidecar. He’s probably exhausted.” Lol.

[smoofox]

@Knights_Mom

No one else (other than LK supporters) has the same confusion and most importantly, the jury didn’t.

If your confusion persists and is irksome to you might I suggest taking some night courses in law?

It is also pivotal to note what testimony the jury wished to review again before making their careful decision. It was not the bombastic blathering of Schlesinger (sp?).