Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[MHM]

@ekat

Apparently it’s concerning enough that the original post has been edited to include the Morris County Prosecutor’s address, phone number, and email.

Wait, I did not notice. Is it the email for the prosecutor from the trial?

If so, I wonder how many neener-neener emails he will get as a result?

[MorganSercu]

@Sdel

According to the manifesto/police lawsuit, MB told her there was no place to stay on site when they came back to NJ and she threatened him and wound up with the apartment that had previously belonged to JH.

Who in the world does this sort of thing and thinks it is normal, appropriate or called for? That is seriously warped thinking and I doubt it started after the age of majority.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@ekat

Apparently it’s concerning enough that the original post has been edited to include the Morris County Prosecutor’s address, phone number, and email.

Wait, I did not notice. Is it the email for the prosecutor from the trial?

If so, I wonder how many neener-neener emails he will get as a result?

I would think not a one.

At least not from anyone here.

I sure hope we are better than that.

Now, those people who think cards are evil in some way, please feel free to write.

[MHM]

Good catch yet again!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Omgitsme

He served her an eviction notice. It hadn’t been entered into court files but I’m told that’s common, especially when tensions are high.

ETA: often the first step is to serve the notice, give tenants a chance to respond, then file with the court.

Yes. He took the first step on Aug 6. He shot her midday on Aug 7. Is that the way a legal eviction is supposed to work?

You know that is a disingenuous comment.
You know there was far more going on that just the eviction formalities - and yet seem bound and determined to ignore all that as well as LK’s admitted plot to finish the bastard.
You know that CPS (or whatever the acronym is for NJ) had shown up the morning of the final altercation and shooting.
And yet you post as if the eviction was the only issue and shooting was MB’s only solution - and it was planned in some way.

If only everything was as simple and neat and tidy and tied up in pretty satin bows… as you seem to think it is.

As far as IM credibility goes… that is most definitely not a hill to die on or a banner to be waving. It may be best to go back and review his posts now that all is said and done and the trial is over… especially that last condescending, sneering, arrogant one…

Obviously the eviction notice was not the only issue. I’ve been saying that if it were just logistics about moving the horses, perhaps she might have moved.

I’ve been saying that two sloppy, complex financial deals may well have complicated an otherwise simple exit.

If he was going to evict her, he would need to serve notice (which he apparently did on Aug 6), then proceed with the legal eviction process. Merely taking the first step in the eviction process is not enough.

I’ve said the opposite of ‘the shooting was MB’s only solution’. I’ve state repeatedly that both sides could have unilaterally taken actions to de escalate, but both sides instead chose to escalate.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

RG testified they were back in NC and he didn’t want to leave. He was very unspecific about dates, which is cool, who writes that stuff down at the time, but he said that they ran into MB in FL and they were asked to come back to NJ.

I’m pretty sure that was about how they got involved with MB at first…he didn’t want to leave NC to start training with MB. After they started training with MB, I think that first year they went to FL but were renting a trailer offsite. The the pipe burst and destroyed most of the house. According to the manifesto/police lawsuit, MB told her there was no place to stay on site when they came back to NJ and she threatened him and wound up with the apartment that had previously belonged to JH.

Did she “threaten” not to come train with him unless he provided housing as of the deal?

There is nothing illegal or immoral about staying the terms in which you are willing to buy someone’s product.

Other than saying that “housing included” was required for her to continue training with him, how do you imagine she could “threaten him”?

[MHM]

Good to know, but I don’t think that’s it.

I will say that the History Channel has a series called The Food That Built America, and it’s sort of fascinating to see the origin of all these things that we take for granted, and how some of them were such complete flukes at the start. And also the variations and twists and turns between companies that were competing with similar products.

For example, Popsicles were invented when some kid left his drink out overnight on his porch with a straw or something still in it, and when he came out and saw it in the morning, it had frozen.

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve said the opposite of ‘the shooting was MB’s only solution’. I’ve state repeatedly that both sides could have unilaterally taken actions to de escalate, but both sides instead chose to escalate.

And others have told you several times that engaging the lawyers to work out a future situation and arrange her departure would be de-escalating but you seem to insist that doing so was escalating.

[jaj]

Wow. It was a tangent, now it’s a straw man. I wonder why you keep at it. Guilt? Shame?

[eggbutt]

@Fat_Dinah

I have communicated my concerns about the anti-Semitic hate speech and the on going threats to LK and Bilinkas’ facilitating communication with Barisone to the Morris County prosecutor in hopes the judge will consider it at the May 17 hearing.
It is
Morris County Prosecutors Office
Po Box 900 - Court Street
Morristown NJ
07963-0900

973-285-6200

prosecutor@co.morris.nj.us

I suggest others with the same concerns do the same.

I am also going to share them and my concerns with USEF and SafeSport, and I suggest others of a like mind do the same.

I have contacted the Congregation Sha’are Shalom to urge them to contact the Chronicle and discuss the harm from these anti-Semitic comnents. Their contacts are:
703-737-6500
19357 Evergreen Mills Road
Leesburg VS 20173

Please explain, in 1st grade terms, what you think the prosecutor or judge will care about anything posted on an anonymous public forum!!! The prosecutor is out of it now. He lost the case. The judge is only involved by officiating at the next hearing. I can guarantee you Safe Sport won’t even respond to you!! What have you been smoking? Dang!! This is probably one of the most outrageous, ridiculous posts I’ve EVER read on these forums in all these years.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Did she “threaten” not to come train with him unless he provided housing as of the deal?

That’s her version….and she’s the oath sworn liar on SM. MB’s version is a little different…and I’m pretty sure Mr. B hinted at how he was threatened during the trial.

[lazaret]

@Fat_Dinah

Bilinkas’ facilitating communication with Barisone

An attorney being permitted to communicate with his own client is not only legal, but protected.

There would be absolutely no reason that Bilinkas could not facilitate correspondence with his own, non incarcerated, client. Ridiculous on its face.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@ekat

“he’d lived the arrangement for a year”

Except that he didn’t. Everybody testified that she was there in the spring of 2018 for a couple months or a few months depending on the witness. They went their separate ways, ran into each other in FL at some point after the pipe burst in Jan 2019 and agreed to continue training again that year. Unless you’re referring to some of LaLa’s posts where she said they lived together for 2 years. But I’m gonna go with the consistent under oath statements, not the BB posts.

That’s the one single point they were all consistent on in testimony from LK, RG, MHG, JH.

We don’t know if they had Rosie in spring of 2018. We don’t know if he knew of RG’s addiction issues until he found the Suboxone/hired a PI, or anything else. We also don’t know how much he really interacted with her in Spring of 2018. We do know all parties were happy enough to restart training in Spring 2019.

They were there in spring 2018. For winter 2028/2019, I assumed they all went to MBs Florida property together. Did LK train with someone else in winter 2018/2019?

That aside, you do realize that people like LK can be pretty darn normal appearing…until they are not.

Oh, I agree. MB appeared rational and sane …until he wasn’t.

Very valid point. Though in his case the courts proved he was driven there by someone on purpose. Hard to imagine someone would do that. But clearly some people think it is a game or something.

Sigh. I know this is pointless. IMHO, the court decided that he was not criminally responsible for having shot her due to insanity, but did not specifically rule that “he was driven there by someone on purpose”.

He was vulnerable. He had many stressors (including but not limited to LK and RG). It appears some of his “friends” egged on his combative stance rather than talking him off the ledge.

[ekat]

You’re right, they were in FL winter 2018, not living at his facility, living in a rental. JH training the two horses. Two. $2500 per horse for board and train with JH.

(And I don’t think I can watch RG any more)

Edit to add, at this point in RG’s testimony, he states they had limited contact with Michael Barisone. MB would come check on things every once in a while, and maybe give a pointer.

So no, not a year long landlord-tenant, close client relationship until they went back to NJ spring of 2019.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

This is probably one of the most outrageous, ridiculous posts I’ve EVER read on these forums in all these years.

And let’s face it, that statement covers a lot of ground! Lol.

[Tarlo_Farm]

@Omgitsme

Bashing: you suck and I hate you.
Threatening: I’m going to make you wish you were never born.

Or holding your hand to your head in the shape of a gun, pulling the “trigger”, and saying something along the lines of, “We’re going to get you.”

And I’m Italian, and I’m not offended by the reference to organized crime. And not just because my uncle was a numbers runner for a short time in the 1960’s…

AND I just mailed my cards to Mr Bilinkas this afternoon. (I’m such a rebel!)

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Did she “threaten” not to come train with him unless he provided housing as of the deal?

That’s her version….and she’s the oath sworn liar on SM. MB’s version is a little different…and I’m pretty sure Mr. B hinted at how he was threatened during the trial.

OK, enlighten me. How did she supposedly threaten him, beyond saying “I’ll only train with you in NJ if you throw in housing like last year”. Which, BTW, is called “negotiating”.

[Tarlo_Farm]

One more thing… If you ignore the trolls, they will HAVE to quit.

[trubandloki]

@Fat_Dinah, I am sincerely curious why you think that Bilinkas receiving cards and letters directed to MB is something the court will care about.
You clearly feel strongly about it, but I can not guess what you see as wrong about it.

Another lawyer here has said it is pretty common thing, for a lawyer’s office to receive cards for their client.

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

He was vulnerable. He had many stressors (including but not limited to LK and RG).

why are you so hung up with these veiled references to a divorce that literally nobody except you has described as stressful or contested? Because he had to pay a settlement? You’ve invented all these stressors, particularly financial, and keep bringing them up - yet nobody but you has mentioned anything about them.

Creating a scenario and then responding to it, a la the “movie in my head,” well…it doesn’t add credibility to your statements.

What you might be stressed by might be a complete nonfactor for someone else. The only stressor there’s any legitimate proof of is a client/tenant behaving badly.