Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

OK. It is common knowledge in these threads that the Kanarek family is Jewish and lives in NJ, so you didn’t state that, but everyone already knew that.

Against that backdrop, you pointed out that “organized crime is still very real. And it has deep ties to both Italian and Jewish communities in New Jersey.”

You then “wondered” whether JK had ties to “‘organized’ type people.” … “Some people are indeed ‘connected’.”

Why emphasize the ties between organized crime and “the Jewish community in NJ” if JKs religion and state of residence is irrelevant?

Why point out that EF Hutton paid a million dollar fine for money laundering in the late eighties because 2 of their brokers (out of 18,000 employees) broke the securities laws?

I believe you when you say you were not trying to disparage all Italians or all Jews. But you seemed to think that JKs being Jewish was relevant to your musing as to whether he had “connections” to “organized” types.

Regarding bolded point number one…

AGAIN… you need to go back and look at my actual posts, and reference the order I made them in.

First, I asked what the deal was with JK, and why people were terrified of him, and that f he might be connected.

THEN, another poster responded and provided background information concerning EF Hutton having past ties to organized crime, and the general issue of international money laundering operations involving certain Jewish communities in multiple countries that have specific cash distribution and exchange operations as part of the community.

Later, when another poster mentioned, “Hey, why bring up anything to do with anybody being Jewish?” I replied with a very basic comment that we were discussing organized crime in general in the region, and that there were ties to Italian and Jewish communities in that area… but OF COURSE not everyone is involved. Only some people in those communities are connected.”

So again… you are twisting and distorting what was said. Either because you are being inaccurate in your recollection of the order of the posts and flow of the conversation… or… because you are being intentionally dishonest and twisting it into something it wasn’t.

Oh… and about EF Hutton. There were two separate MAJOR mob related cases. One had to do with the check kiting and the Providence mafia boss. That is what you keep referencing. The other was the “pizza connection case” that involved organized crime throughout NJ and NY, pizzerias that were a front for heroin trafficking, bags of cash being brought to EF Hutton’s offices in NYC by actual mob connected people , and then money laundering so that the cash eventually made its way to Swiss bank accounts.

The second was a huge case.

It is definitely possible that I am mixing up who said what and the exact order of things. Extremely likely, in fact.

When I read your posts, I had a visceral reaction to your pointing out that there was significant Jewish organized crime activity in New Jersey, since I was aware that the family was Jewish and lived in NJ.

I just thought, what does Jewishness have to do with anything? Whether you knew JK was Jewish or not, why the remark about the NJ Jewish mob? At least a couple of others had the same reaction.

The additional details about the Hutton financial crimes is sort of interesting, maybe, but the fact that some individuals in a huge financial institution broke the law and consorted with members of the mob gives you zero basis for wondering out loud whether one particular individual who happened to work there in the eighties had “connections” to mobsters.

[eggbutt]

Has @Fat_Dinah jumped ship since their absurd post? They sure distracted the thread for a while!

Fascinating.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ohnoO

I am way behind but I wanted to comment on this.

In the spring/summer of 2018 MB and MHG were living in the barn and everyone else were living in the farmhouse—some degree of separation.

In the winter of 2018-2019 in Florida LK and RG had a rental off the farm—better degree of separation.

Spring/summer of 2019 the business had lost two levels of the farmhouse and it would seem that LK and RG were asked to find other living accommodations, but JK got involved and insisted that they stay on the farm.

Not only that but MB and MHG had to live beneath them with only the third floor as their ceiling—no insulation, no drywall—and according to RG on the witness stand, “Yeah, they fought some” SOME? I’ll bet that’s the understatement of the trial!

Thanks for bringing it back to this key point.

I still am befuddled by this part of the whole story.

Why/how did JK get involved in the spring of 2019, and manage to get MB to provide free housing to LK and RG for the spring abs summer, at a time when the whole NJ facility was experiencing a housing crunch because of the burst pipe?

Why was their no written agreement of any kind covering this?

I’ve yet to hear a coherent explanation of this part of the story.

I have heard CH, hut-ho and a few others blame it on MB using poor business practices and not documenting things via contracts.

But that doesn’t really explain the full situation, IMO…

Why did MB agree to give away scarce on property living accommodations, for free, in the spring of 2019?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ohnoO

I am way behind but I wanted to comment on this.

In the spring/summer of 2018 MB and MHG were living in the barn and everyone else were living in the farmhouse—some degree of separation.

In the winter of 2018-2019 in Florida LK and RG had a rental off the farm—better degree of separation.

Spring/summer of 2019 the business had lost two levels of the farmhouse and it would seem that LK and RG were asked to find other living accommodations, but JK got involved and insisted that they stay on the farm.

Not only that but MB and MHG had to live beneath them with only the third floor as their ceiling—no insulation, no drywall—and according to RG on the witness stand, “Yeah, they fought some” SOME? I’ll bet that’s the understatement of the trial!

OK, but how can either LK or JK “insist” that LK be given housing accommodations as part of the deal other than saying, “We won’t move our horses back there and continue to train with you, unless you throw in housing”?

MB could have said, “Sorry, I’m not taking the upstairs apartment away from Justin” and let them take their business elsewhere.

How can JK “insist” that MB offer a specific deal of MB doesn’t agree to it?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The additional details about the Hutton financial crimes is sort of interesting, maybe, but the fact that some individuals in a huge financial institution broke the law and consorted with members of the mob gives you zero basis for wondering out loud whether one particular individual who happened to work there in the eighties had “connections” to mobsters.

So again… since when is it against the rules to wonder out loud about something as part of much broader discussion?

This is not a criminal trial. You can yell “Objection” at me all you want. But this is a free flowing discussion on an open platform, and I simply asked a question.

[BrendaJane]

@CurrentlyHorseless

How can JK “insist” that MB offer a specific deal of MB doesn’t agree to it?

good question…

[lazaret]

If I can recall Hamlet, Queen Gertrude is wholly unconvinced by the overacting in Prince Hamlet’s play, intended to prove the guilt of Claudius in the murder of the King of Denmark. She famously pronounces, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” and thus was born the turn of phrase that indicates that someone who argues so vehemently is perhaps concealing a truth.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@ohnoO

I am way behind but I wanted to comment on this.

In the spring/summer of 2018 MB and MHG were living in the barn and everyone else were living in the farmhouse—some degree of separation.

In the winter of 2018-2019 in Florida LK and RG had a rental off the farm—better degree of separation.

Spring/summer of 2019 the business had lost two levels of the farmhouse and it would seem that LK and RG were asked to find other living accommodations, but JK got involved and insisted that they stay on the farm.

Not only that but MB and MHG had to live beneath them with only the third floor as their ceiling—no insulation, no drywall—and according to RG on the witness stand, “Yeah, they fought some” SOME? I’ll bet that’s the understatement of the trial!

Thanks for bringing it back to this key point.

I still am befuddled by this part of the whole story.

Why/how did JK get involved in the spring of 2019, and manage to get MB to provide free housing to LK and RG for the spring abs summer, at a time when the whole NJ facility was experiencing a housing crunch because of the burst pipe?

Why was their no written agreement of any kind covering this?

I’ve yet to hear a coherent explanation of this part of the story.

I have heard CH, hut-ho and a few others blame it on MB using poor business practices and not documenting things via contracts.

But that doesn’t really explain the full situation, IMO…

Why did MB agree to give away scarce on property living accommodations, for free, in the spring of 2019?

The simplest explanation is that he wanted her business, despite knowing at least some of her flaws.

[Fiesta01]

OMG. You are a poster on a horse board with supposedly no connection to anyone concerned, and you’re going to try to affect/influence decisions that could prevent a man from rebuilding his future???

Seriously, I just can’t.

P.S. I have not seen one poster here threaten LK. Please take a step back before you complicate an already complicated situation. Do not seek to emulate LK and mess with other peoples’ lives.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The simplest explanation is that he wanted her business, despite knowing at least some of her flaws.

Why not charge rent for the farmhouse apartment? Why have no written agreement?

Why did all this somehow allegedly involve JK negotiating this extra awesome l, undocumented deal for LK?

It still makes no sense.

[BigMama1]

@GSDogs

I didn’t know they were Jewish…and I doubt everybody knows or cares

I didn’t know. Or care.

And my only ancestor claims to fame are that one was a Highlander who survived the battle of Culloden, and another was a member of the famous (in South Africa anyway) Wilson’s Party who were all killed in the Matabele war.

[Angela_Freda]

I think this will come out in the civil cases, perhaps.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I hope so. It’s a key puzzle piece.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Ha!

I actually made that exact same Hamlet reference earlier on these threads in relation to an argument with Hut-ho, I do believe.

It’s a surreal ongoing discussion…

[eggbutt]

Was the entire Jewish tangent a reference to New Jersey being the home of the Sopranos?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@BrendaJane

@CurrentlyHorseless

How can JK “insist” that MB offer a specific deal of MB doesn’t agree to it?

good question…

Ya know, there is a saying about people sometimes making other people, “an offer they can not refuse”

[Danvers]

Lawdy, Lawdy, Lawdy … stop responding … they are going to beat this horse into the ground and then continue to stomp on it… that is who they are… Be Elsa.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Got it. I will try to

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

The additional details about the Hutton financial crimes is sort of interesting, maybe, but the fact that some individuals in a huge financial institution broke the law and consorted with members of the mob gives you zero basis for wondering out loud whether one particular individual who happened to work there in the eighties had “connections” to mobsters.

So again… since when is it against the rules to wonder out loud about something as part of much broader discussion?

This is not a criminal trial. You can yell “Objection” at me all you want. But this is a free flowing discussion on an open platform, and I simply asked a question.

No, it’s not a criminal trial. It’s a continuation of the last 2.5 years of bashing LK.

Since the verdict, the target of bashing and mockery has widened to include not just LK but her parents.

There is plenty of bad behavior by LK on the record. I’m not defending her actions.

But what have her parents done to deserve the bashing and mockery? Is it possible that some posters here just derive their pleasure from trashing and mocking people? Please note that I posed it as a question. Just wondering. /s

You (g) are so desperate to pin 100% of the fault for this tragedy on LK that you’re not even willing to admit that MB agreed to let her live in the farmhouse in spring 2019. No, MB has zero role in creating the situation. Her father insisted! Her father threatened! Instead of realizing that’s implausible, you then speculate that that he’s a threatening guy because maybe (just a question) he has connections to the mob. Oh, specifically to the Jewish mob, which is active in NJ.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BrendaJane

@CurrentlyHorseless

How can JK “insist” that MB offer a specific deal of MB doesn’t agree to it?

good question…

There’s a simple answer. He can’t and he didn’t. Barisone agreed to the deal because he wanted her business.