Barn Staff Making Me Uncomfortable - Seeking Advice

One of the reasons men like fathers and even boyfriends can be dismissive of what women report is because they would never do a thing like that and can’t imagine another man doing it because they don’t get to see it.

But women tend to experience all the craziness that is out there. I was walking in the park with some horse tweens in shorts and breeches several years ago. Passed a man in my age bracket who didn’t look at me. But boy he looked at those 13 year olds. The best I can put it is that his eyes licked up and down their bodies. It was a sharp reminder that young women are really at risk in a way older women no longer are.

I was sitting in the airport boarding lounge once. There was a man my age, about 40 back then, and a college age girl. The man and I were white, he looked dour and exhausted and the girl was pretty, clean cut, and I think Korean American descent.

The man started making intrusive conversation with her by asking stupid questions like you do of a child, not offering any information about himself. She felt constrained to answer politely but was clearly uncomfortable and giving minimal information. I monitored the situation but didn’t get involved, I took was exhausted and dour. I was still a grad student and hadn’t developed the Professorial Authority I can now command.

It occurred to me you could so easily turn the tables in this kind of situation by asking questions yourself. Where have you been, are you married, oh you must miss your wife traveling so much. That would shut up any man.

I also recognized that he wanted to engage with a young girl, and didn’t care that he was being annoying. He would not have started a conversation with anyone his own age.

Anecdotally reading about harrassment issues in our public transit, I think that in general young Asian Canadian women can be more petrified about causing a scene and terrified to move away from a midnight groper, where some other cultural groups would get up and move at a minimum, scream “watch your hands you perv” or something

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What about talking to the BO is making you nervous?
This man is making you nervous.
Which would make you more nervous? Confronting the BO? Or being grabbed, fondled, and maybe raped by this guy?
Is he a registered sex offender?
I’d have reported him to the cops by now, called them out to the barn.

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Oh baloney. Of course they can imagine it. They are men. Doesn’t mean they themselves would do this, but unless they’ve been living in a hole in the ground for the past 50 years they certain can believe it.

@sapphiremoon, I get that you are nervous, assuming you are young and have until now led a protected life. But your father IS your father and his job is to continue protecting you especially now that you are grown and able to go places on your own, away from his chaperonage.
I had a guy do something similar to me and some other girls in the back room of the music store where we took music lessons. We were embarrassed to mention it. But we were KIDS. 14, 15, high school age.
If your dad won’t do his job and stand by you, tell the BO. If they won’t fire the guy, leave, and report him to the cops, for the sake of other women (and even boys) at the barn.

Protect yourself.

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We’ve had this sort of training for at least half a century. At least.
All the training in the world isn’t going to stop criminals from committing crimes. Or stop creeps from being creepy.

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Yeah ok. These dads know the impulse but are in denial, then. Parents can be very wierd. On the one hand, parents can be very overprotective but on the other hand have moments of total denial about real issues if it suits them.

But also, this is a good lesson in that as soon as you are old enough to be alone in a venue, you complain to the person in charge on your own. You can tell your parents or not, but you cant rely on them taking charge of the complaint process. I don’t know if the OP as young adult is 15 or 23, but it’s never too late or too early to learn to make complaints on your own. Especially in horse world where you know a lot more about how things should run than your parents do.

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Just stop. Seriously. This is not the kind of “help” this young woman needs.

People can be and are afraid to speak to ANY sort of authority figure. It’s a thing. It’s not a problem with the victim. It’s a societal problem. It’s an age-old problem. Take a scan back and you’ll see that the victim’s own father was dismissive of her when she tried to talk to him. That is an unfortunate reality, one I’m sure many of us have lived, and one which can have life-long impact on us.

OP, please know that on this thread the majority understand that you are in a difficult position and we would have your back in person too if we could.

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I take taekwondo (not really for self-defense just for fun, honestly) and that’s kind of the one thing I see emphasized in all martial arts. Get yourself out, yes it’s good to know HOW to handle yourself if it comes to that but the best way to handle it is get yourself out of the situation.

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Get outta here with that bull.

It is no man’s job to protect this young woman. Period. She needs to learn to stick up for herself.

My dad hasn’t been in my life since I was 16 and I definitely could count on myself before I could ever have counted on him.

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At the most, from what’s been described here, it might leave OP with a paper trail. But none of this, as described, sounds even close to anything criminal level yet.

OP do not listen to this person.

Take this up with the barn owner/manager first.

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Sadly, this is not likely to work. This assumes that lies do not come easily to creeps.

ie. where have you been - to visit my dying relative - extrapolate made up story if that seems to garner sympathy

are you married - no, separated, divorced, widowed, and extremely unhappily are all answers that could easily lead to further ‘conversation’

you must miss your wife - see above - unhappily or yes, but blah blah blah.

Best to extract oneself and not engage at all when possible.

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This is true. But if a peer was chatting to you, you’d ask these kinds of questions. Like if a college boy was talking to her or dour traveling salesman was talking to me. The one way questions absolutely demonstrate a power dynamic that we associate with children and adults and that is rude and toxic between adults.

I don’t even know if dour salesman was pursuing anything, he was just amusing himself being toxic for 20 minutes

I had a strong sense of self preservation at that age and thought “old men” were creepy and dangerous and shouldn’t be interested in me. I would have excused myself and disappeared with my carry on luggage towards a rest room.

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Your dad’s reaction is VERY disappointing. He’s 100% WRONG. Please Tell him that every single woman (it’s up to what, somewhere around 60 or so individuals in this thread, given multiple responses and the OP’s responses) that read your initial description, and NOT ONE WOMAN dismissed it or considered it an over-reaction. It’s VERY rare to get that kind of unanimous reaction on COTH, but we’re all horsewomen who don’t take crap from 1000-lb animals, or men. :wink:

Please do tell the BO and your fellow boarders. The other boarders need to know to be careful around this guy. Imagine if one of the other boarders, perhaps a young teen, ends up getting cornered by this guy and injured or raped because no one spoke up about this guy’s behavior.

If you’re afraid of offending him, or being too forceful, realize that he brought it on himself by his behavior. Imagine what he’s saying about you under his breath, you can be sure it’s Not complementary or kind, it’s most likely highly disgusting. If it Wasn’t, he’d say it out loud to your face, not mutter it under his breath in another language that you don’t understand. He’s testing your boundaries and pushing beyond them to see if you’d fight back or just smile and freeze. Don’t let him keep doing it.

We’re on your side. Please let us know how it goes and keep safe!

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What you are describing is an escalation of bad behavior. He knows very well what he is doing. He is pushing it to find out how vulnerable you are. Your gut is telling you it is inappropriate because it is. Once it reached the lingering handshake, it was too far. Talk directly to the BM/BO and clearly articulate that this man is making you feel uncomfortable. Don’t back pedal, don’t try to minimize it.

Something very similar happened to me, in my workplace, when I was 21. Trust your gut.

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Okay usually I get where you’re coming from with your posts but not so much here.

Power dynamic?

No no no, asking a creep questions just will make them think you’re open to conversation. It isn’t going to flip a power dynamic. If you’re sitting somewhere and some creep is trying to make creep conversation, that’s when you very pointedly ignore them, maybe put in headphones (not with any music on) or get up and move (to a populated, well-lit area).

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Ok, you all are right. I haven’t been young for a very long time.

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I don’t mean to slight your post I just don’t quite get what power dynamic is going to be turned on its head here without making the overall situation worse.

When I was doing Muay Thai, I also dabbled in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which I have some incredibly helpful takeaways from. And it was AWESOME watching smaller people roll with bigger, stronger looking people and still ending up on top. Unfortunately my joint condition couldn’t take the holds so I didn’t do it as regularly as Muay Thai.

I did however, do some Jeet Kun Do where we learned techniques to get away from someone with a knife face to face. And the first rule we learned was…NEVER get yourself in a knife fight. Run first :joy:.

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I’m an orange belt in taekwondo which isn’t that high (colored belts vary from school to school but belt levels where I am start at white, which is typical and I think near universal, then yellow, gold (darker yellow), orange, green, purple, blue, red, brown and black I think. Then there’s about 8-9 degrees/dans of black belt.) one of the black belts in class last week was watching me practice roundhouse kicking on a bag. Most I’ve done for flexibility is some Yoga with Adriene videos on youtube that I’m not as consistent as I’d like to be with. But I have all the leg muscle of someone who grew up riding horses.

I apparently kick very hard and fairly high.

I’m pretty sure no one would ever want to put me in a scenario where I have a good reason for my foot/knee/leg to have to make contact with their groin. It would not be pleasant for the person on the other end.

Muay Thai is kind of like kickboxing, yeah? But more intense, I’ve heard. And BJJ is a lot of grappling type stuff?

Right. But I was thinking for the women of the world - what is not ok, what to do if.

Anyone old enough to be at the barn or anywhere in public without parents or guardian should already be aware and prepared. For a young lady to be this bothered, upset and confused makes me so sad that she wasn’t already informed on what is not ok. And that she didn’t know how to respond, what she could comfortably do to protect herself. From the first moment this creepy guy was inappropriate.

I feel rather terrible thinking of all of the young women who are feeling confused rather than prepared when confronted with poor behavior from a male (of any age). Somewhere we are letting them down that they aren’t getting the information they need, very clear and basic.

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Yeah. If the power dynamic exists the girl can’t change it on her own. Dour dude isn’t talking to me because he doesn’t want adult conversation or to answer any questions. He just wants to pester a young girl.

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