BANG ! 
Done you are saved.:lol:
Donât ever bring up a thread debating if arabs can canter LOL:lol:
This is no longer a debate. And itâs no longer about drafts in dressage. It is now about whether those who ride drafts even know enough to understand what level their horses are working at.
And you wouldnât get snarky if it was you on the other side?
Every time the conversation starts to turn positive and someone says something nice about their horse, it gets turned back around to prove someoneâs point. Itâs absolutely insane.
Freedom wrote: Donât ever bring up a thread debating if arabs can canter LOL
Ha! Ha! I wonât 'cause I know for a fact they can. At least there is one in the world that can. She has one big ass canter too! As long as I can keep her focused and forward to the bit (not inverted) I better engage some core muscles 'cause if I donât my big butt gets pushed up out of the saddle!
She might be small, but she is mighty!
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Itâs one thing to use a pelham temporarily on a strong horse or a runaway, so you can regain control then work to bit down. Itâs another to slap one on a dressage horse and say heâs schooling 1st level. It does not translate to the snaffle easily and movements that you might be able to force out of the horse using the pelham will be impossible in a snaffle. Not to mention you canât show the horse in a pelham. Itâs not about going against âclassicalâ riding, itâs about going against correct riding. Itâs not about making fun of you because youâre riding a draft horse in a pelham, itâs about educating you as to why the pelham is being used and why it is not the correct bit for dressage.
I understand hunting, eventing, or jumping a horse in a pelham but at home in the dressage ring he needs to go in his snaffle. Many people who do jump in a stronger bit often do so at shows and school in a snaffle at home. Nobody schools in a pelham at home and expects to stay in the arena in a snaffle![/QUOTE]
Actually, where I rode in high school, Pelhams were also used on horse that were used to going Western. When they put the English tack and a snaffle, some of the horses did not like the lack of shank, so to speak. A Pelham was used and they were a lot happier. The kids that rode them had really light hands - being used to the lack of contact that you have in Western, they were far from being heavy handed.
I have seen it done with some driving horses, when they were under saddle also.
Ambry & STF - if you two donât quit fighting Iâm gonna call Aunt Esther over here to settle this debate. I started it, but weâll let her finish it. Plus, you will both get sent to bed without your supper! Now, Iâm warning youâŠ:mad:
Prob. not. I dont let things like this bother me enough to get upset to be snarky. People can only upset me if I let them.
Twas not fighting. I quit fighting on the internet a looooong time ago. Aunt Esther wears her underwear backwards, BTW.
True story.
But the top layer ALWAYS looks good!
BTW, I donât actually have to get upset to get snarky. Itâs more like just turning off the nice faucet and letting the snark come out untempered. Why waste my nice on someone who is only giving me snark?
It works for me, because then I have plenty of nice left for other people. My nice tank is only so big, and if I didnât have to turn it off by like page 16, Iâd run out. Then someone would have a bad day in off-course and I wouldnât have a hug for them.
I dont hug⊠so that solves it all.
Not even your two friends?
Or your horses?
Iâm a big hugger.
Well, I do hug my horses and Iâll send both of you - Ambry and STF - (((((hugs)))). Now, lets just all get along! Tee heeâŠ
Poor Aunt Ester, if she wears her underware backwards, we need to get that girlfriend some SERIOUS help!:winkgrin: Doesnât she know that it causes chafing in unmentionable places. It 'twould make it rather hard for one to sit deeply in the saddle to ride their designer Ubermover! We should chip in and donate funds to send that girl to What Not to Wear - Undies Version - for some serious intervention. Perhaps some Monkey Butt powder would help with those already chaffed, tender areas when Auntie E goes for her ride tomorrow.
Poor Aunt Ester, if she wears her underware backwards, we need to get that girlfriend some SERIOUS help!:winkgrin:
That is why she can sit the trot so straight up and shoulders back. If they fall foward⊠OUCH! :lol:
She may be having a pissy day, but I like herâwhatâs her breeding?
STF - you are too much :lol: Nothing I can say will TOP that one (pardon the pun!) Maybe we needs to get her a great big WIDE Belgian and she will feel more secure. I could loan her my Arab, but I think that the panty twisting she would incurr would cut her circulation off. Thatâs never a good thing. :eek:
Hey Ghazzu - she is mostly Polish with a smidge of Egyptian thrown in from the dams side. Iâm not really âcurrentâ on the Arab breeding thing - all I know is I just LOVE my horse, whatever she is. On the Sireâs side we can go back to GG Samir (great grand sire) and to Aramus and Mc Coyâs Count (great great grand sires). Her mother is a daughter of Tsullivan, grand daughter of Ivanhoe Tsultan. Ivanhoe Tsatan, Hillcrests Bint Imaraff, and Al-Marah Jolly Roger are back there too.
I bought her for $500 as an 8 month old. I think I did pretty good too. She has a LOVELY mindâŠ
i didnât say your horse wasnât doing any of the below work. i said i hadnât seen anything that indicated that he was.
that is because i saw 2 pics of him. one, from the front, him standing still with you on him. two, him being longed at a jog, off the bit.
to be schooling second level, he would be on the bit.
an earlier post that indicates what yuour horse would be doing:
It means the horse has mastered intro and training level, demonstrates thrusting power, acceptance of the bit, forward activity, and would score decently on a training level test 3 and 4, performing shallow canter serpentines, 20 meter circles in both directions, transitions, working gaits, stretching down, etc. He has mastered that.
And that today, he is schooling leg yields, lengthening at the trot and canter, medium walk, counter canter single loops, and quite a bit more thrusting power, activity, suppleness and more than accepting the bit is expected.
âAnd while heâs doing that, heâs being introduced to the new skills at 2ndâ
That would mean he is also currently schooling medium and collected trot and canter, simple change of lead, turns on the haunches, renvers, shoulder in, walk canter transitions, a number of different figures at teh counter canter.
I think you missed where you had a hysterical fit and refuse to rationally discuss things. Why does your trainer have your horse in a leverage bit for dressage and what is he trying to do?
Further, I am taking a crazy ass arabian to a hunter show this Saturday so donât preach to me about my breed snob bias.
I also know the reason I scored a 33 at the last dressage show was NOT because the horse ran backwards screaming out of the dressage arena, it was because it was an arab and the judge was not being fair.
Ummmm Ambrey
I brought along something I though you would need considering you have taken very few breaksâŠ
Nah, she wears a steel lined bra for that. Coreene tried to turn her on to the new minimizer she found, but Aunt Esther is convinced that her girls will never be contained by fabric alone.
