Bush opens up a can of whoop a$$

Bush Invites Canadian Prime Minister to Washington
From the Washington Post web site:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 3:53 p.m. EDT–The White House sought to smooth ruffled feathers in Canada over President Bush�s omission of the U.S. neighbor from a list of countries he thanked for offering anti-terrorism support.

Spokesman Ari Fleischer announced that Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien had been invited to Washington for talks with Bush Monday.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I must throw my two cents into the gore (no pun intended). While doing an interview with an activist from the militant Arabs when asked by a reporter why this happened, he said they did for “Monica Lewinsky.” on the telly no first hand information. Perhaps they were referring her right to have safe sex.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I am sending this document to you…it was my pastor’s sermon…I think
you will get much from this.

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: A Time for War

> > Attached is the document “A Time for War” that is from Pastor Dykstra’s
> sermon last Sunday morning.
> > > A Time
> for War
> > A sermon preached on September 16, 2001
> at the Reformed Baptist Church of Lafayette
> > by Pastor David Dykstra

> > > > One hundred and eighty seven years ago, the district attorney of
> Washington was sent on a mission of mercy. His name was Francis Scott

Key.

> He was a well-known lawyer, poet, and Christian. He was also a hymn
> writer and one of his hymns is found in our hymnal (#69, Trinity Hymnal).
> In the company of John S. Skinner, Mr. Key made his way under a flag of
> truce, to a British ship anchored in Baltimore Harbor. They were
> attempting to secure the release of a man that British forces (then at war
> with America) had taken prisoner. The prisoner, a Dr. Beanes, was a
> well-known and much loved physician from Baltimore.
> Admiral Cochrane agreed to Dr. Beanes’ release, but since an attack on
> Baltimore was imminent, Key and his two friends were not allowed to leave.
> They were put on board the Minden, and from her deck the three friends
> watched the night-long bombardment of Fort McHenry in Baltimore Harbor.
> Two weeks earlier on August 24, 1814, the Capitol building in Washington
> had been burned by British soldiers. Now, on this sad night, as the men
> watched the attack, they could not help but wonder if Baltimore, too,

would

> fall.
> All night long the concussion of naval gunfire, the flight of hard shot

and

> shell continued. They were treated well by their hosts, but they paced

the

> deck in anxiety.
> The new day brought great encouragement. Six thousand British solders,
> veterans who had earlier served under Wellington, rowed back to their
> ships. Baltimore’s defensive positions had proven to be too formidable to
> penetrate. In addition, the British general in command of the assault,
> General Ross, had been killed.
> Most encouragingly, the flag, The Stars and Stripes, still flew over Fort
> McHenry! A Reformed Baptist soldier who served in the American militia
> wrote about that new day. Here is what he said: "At the first dawn, every
> eye was directed towards the Fort, to see whether the American banner

still

> waved there: and when the morning mists had sufficiently dispersed, we

were

> filled with exultation at beholding The Stars and Stripes still floating

in

> the breeze."
> Imagine the cheers as they welled up from the American army and carried
> over the water to the British ships! Imagine the silence in the long

boats

> as the once proud veterans of Wellington rowed back to their ships with
> their dead and wounded, having been repulsed yet again, by American

militia!

> On board the Minden, Francis Scott Key found a letter in his pocket, and
> on the back of the letter he gave vent to the love of country that filled
> his heart. He scribbled the verses that over a century later were adopted
> as our national anthem. Here is what he wrote that day (note the slight
> difference with what became the official version, and remember that this

is

> only the first stanza):
> > “O, say can you see
> by the dawn’s early light
> What so proudly we hailed
> at the twilight’s last gleaming
> Whose broad stripes and bright stars
> through the clouds of the fight,
> O’er the ramparts we watched
> were so gallantly streaming?
> And the rockets red glare,
> the bombs bursting in air
> Gave proof through the night
> that our flag was still there.
> Oh, say, does that star-spangled
> banner yet wave,
> O’er the land of the free,
> and the home of the brave?”
> > On Tuesday, September 11, 2001 we, too, saw symbols of American commerce
> and American military power in flames. For the first time since the War

of

> 1812 foreign enemies have reached our shores and attacked our homeland.

We

> now know how our forefathers felt in 1814 when the Capitol burned and

enemy

> soldiers seemed to be triumphant.
> Our President, who professes to be a Christian man, is using strong and
> clear language. He has informed us that we are now involved in yet

another

> “war”. High government officials in Washington now speak clearly and
> openly of “ending States” that have sponsored these attacks.
> What should be our response to these events? How does a Christian, guided
> by the Holy Scriptures, evaluate both the events and our response to the
> events?
> This morning I want to give you some Biblical directives to guide you in
> these dark days in our nation’s history.
> > > Observe in the first place that the Scriptures reveal that there is a time
> for war.
> > Consider Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
> There is an appointed time for everything.
> And there is a time for every event under heaven -
> A time to give birth, and a time to die;
> A time to plant, and a time to uproot what is planted.
> A time to kill, and a time to heal;
> A time to tear down, and a time to build up.
> A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
> A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
> A time to throw stones, and a time to gather stones;
> A time to embrace, and a time to shun embracing.
> A time to search, and a time to give up as lost;
> A time to keep, and a time to throw away.
> A time to tear apart, and a time to sew together;
> A time to be silent, and a time to speak.
> A time to love, and a time to hate;
> A time for war, and a time for peace.
> > The passage consists of a series of pairs, pairs of opposites. The whole
> point is that for each of these things, there is a time when they are
> appropriate. And one of the things that is appropriate at certain times,
> and under certain conditions, is war.
> > Consider 1 Samuel 30:1-8:
> Then it happened when David and his men came to Ziklag on the third day,
> that the Amalekites had made a raid on the Negrev and on Ziklag, and had
> overthrown Ziklag and burned it with fire; and they took captive the women
> and all who were in it, both small and great, without killing anyone, and
> carried them off and went their way. And when David and his men came to
> the city, behold, it was burned with fire, and their wives and their sons
> and their daughters had been taken captive. Then David and the people who
> were with him lifted their voices and wept until there was no strength in
> them to weep. Now David’s two wives had been taken captive, Ahinoam, the
> Jezreelitess and Abigail the widow of Nabal the Carmelite. Moreover David
> was greatly distressed because the people spoke of stoning him, for all

the

> people were embittered, each one because of his sons and his daughters.
> But David strengthened himself in the Lord his God. Then David said to
> Abiathar the priest, the son of Ahimelech, ‘Please bring me the ephod.’

So

> Abiathar brought the ephod to David. And David inquired of the Lord,
> saying, "Shall I pursue this band? Shall I overtake them?’ And He said

to

> him, ‘Pursue, for you shall surely overtake them, and you shall surely
> rescue all.’"
> > Herein, King David has returned to the city of Ziklag to learn the
> distressing news that Amalekites had made a raid against it, and the

people

> had all been taken captive. David, and all his men, had lost their
> families to this raid.
> The question was: Do we pursue them? Do we go after them, and rescue our
> loved ones? The Lord’s unambiguous answer was “pursue”! Here was a time
> for armed conflict. Here too, was a time for war. It is appropriate to
> use armed might to rescue the innocent.
> > > > Consider Exodus 15:1-3:
> "Then Moses and the sons of Israel sang this song to the Lord, and said,

'I

> will sing to the Lord, for He is highly exalted; The horse and its rider

He

> has hurled into the sea. The Lord is my strength and song, and He has
> become my salvation; This is my God, and I will praise Him; My father’s
> God, and I will extol Him. The Lord is a warrior; the Lord is His name.’"
> > This is the song of Moses after the utter defeat of Egyptian forces led by
> Pharaoh. Not a single Hebrew had taken any action and yet the Egyptians
> had been slain. How was this possible? The answer is plain. The Lord

was

> the warrior! The Lord is called a warrior. He is deemed to be a warrior
> because He killed the enemy. He allied Himself with Israel and fought for
> them. Here, too, was a time for war and a helpless and weak nation had a
> powerful ally, the Lord Himself.
> > Consider Psalm 144:1:
> “Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers
> for battle.”
> > This is a Psalm of David. David was a warrior. Here he is thanking God,
> blessing God, for the martial skills with which he had been blessed. He
> viewed the Lord as the ultimate source of his gifts, and one of the gifts
> with which he was endowed was his skill as a warrior.
> Do you recall the movie Saving Private Ryan? One of the characters in the
> squad carried a sniper’s rifle, and before each of his shots he quoted a
> verse from the Bible. One of the verses he quoted was Psalm 144:1. No
> Christian should have any difficulty with that. There, on the screen, was
> portrayed American soldiers at their best. The Christian soldier ought to
> be able to say as he goes into battle, “Blessed be the Lord, my Rock, who
> trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle.”
> If there is a time for war, there is also a time for warriors, men whose
> skill, men whose vocational calling is martial in nature.
> > Consider Proverbs 20:18 & 24:6
> “Prepare plans by consultation, and make war by wise guidance.”
> “For by wise guidance you will wage war, and in abundance of counselors
> there is victory.”
> > It is assumed that at times war must be waged. What is required before

war

> is waged, is wise counsel, wise guidance. Clearly, here too we see that
> there is a time for war. What is forbidden herein is a knee-jerk

reaction,

> a hasty reaction. Before war is waged, wise, cool heads must give great
> thought to the issues and then make policy based on their accumulated

wisdom.

> > Observe in the second place that the Scriptures reveal various causes of

war.

> > Consider James 4:1-2:
> "What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the

source

> your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have;

so

> you commit murder. And you are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight

and

> quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask."
> > James links together human conflict and a violation of the tenth
> commandment. The tenth commandment forbids coveting and requires
> contentment with what we have.
> We have all known of sad cases where families have been ripped apart after
> the death of a loved one because of disputes over the distribution of
> family assets. Herein, James reveals that envy and discontent are chief
> causes of conflict and war.
> History is full of illustrations of this fact. The nations we fought in
> World War II all viewed themselves as the “have not” nations. They coveted
> the resources and riches that others had. This, combined with their

racist

> attitudes and policies, led them to believe that they had a right to take
> from others.
> This explains Japan’s invasion of Manchuria in 1931-1932. This explains
> Italy’s invasion of Ethiopia in 1935. This explains Japan’s invasion of
> China in 1937. This explains Germany’s invasion of Austria, and
> Czechoslovakia in 1938, and the invasion of Poland and Denmark in 1939,

and

> the invasion of Norway, France, Holland, and Belgium in 1940. Sadly, this
> explains, in part, the seizure of native American lands in the 19th

century

> when gold was discovered therein.
> Failure to be content with what you have, combined with coveting what
> others have, is a source of interpersonal conflict and even war. We need
> to emphasize this because the idea is abroad in our land that when a
> teenager kills another teen to steal his jacket or his shoes - society is
> at fault. Manufacturers and advertisers are often blamed instead of the
> perpetrator himself.
> James corrects us. One commentator put it well when he said, "The

ultimate

> causes of war are not to be found in the social and economic circumstances
> external to man, but within man himself."
> With this, the Lord Jesus would agree: “For out of the heart come evil
> thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness,
> slanders” (Matthew 15:19).
> > Consider Esther 3:5-6:
> “When Haman saw that Mordecai neither bowed down nor paid homage to him,
> Haman was filled with rage. But he disdained to lay hands on Mordecai
> alone, for they had told him who the people of Mordecai were; therefore
> Haman sought to destroy all the Jews, the people of Mordecai, who were
> throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus.”
> > Herein, in Israel’s post-exile history, when they were under Persian rule,
> Haman, a Persian official hated a Jewish official who worked in the
> government. His hatred for Mordecai led to hatred for all of Mordecai’s
> people, all the Jews. This hatred led to plans for war, plans for
> violence, plans for the extermination of a whole people.
> Hatred, pure and simple, is what we now know motivated the terrorists who
> attacked us last week. Their hatred is directed against all our people
> wherever they are found, on whatever continent. A few years ago my wife
> and I were at a mall in Capetown, South Africa. The week after we left, a
> bomb went off there. It had been planted at an American business. It was
> intended as an attack on America and those who support America. Bombs

also

> went off in Kenya and Tanzania at American Embassies. The fact is that we
> are hated, and we are considered targets of opportunity around the world.
> It is always open season on Americans to these people.
> Of great concern to all of us is to learn that Osama bin Laden is one of
> the most popular figures in much of the Mid-east and beyond. He is the
> role model for many adolescent and adult males throughout much of that
> region. This reality is ominous indeed.
> > Observe lastly that the Scriptures reveal the responsibility of national
> governments.
> > Consider Romans 13:1-7:
> "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For

there

> is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by
> God. Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God;
> and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For
> rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you
> want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have
> praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if
> you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for

nothing;

> for it is a minister of God, and avenger who brings wrath upon the one who
> practices evil. Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only
> because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you
> also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to

this

> very thing. Render to all what is due them; tax to whom tax is due;

custom

> to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."
> > Here in Romans 13, the Apostle Paul gave directives to early Christians
> (and to us), about the kinds of government to which people are to be
> submissive. The governments (whether on family, vocational,
> ecclesiastical, state, or national level) to which we are required to
> submit, are those which are ministers of God to their people “for good”.
> > Consider the right of those under authority as revealed herein. People
> have a basic right to live without fear. The most basic liberty of all,
> whether in the family, church, or state, is to be able to go about your
> business in peace and security. This is one of the reasons why we are
> required to pray for those in authority over us.
> > Consider 1 Timothy 2:1-2:
> “First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and
> thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in
> authority, in order that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all
> godliness and dignity.”
> > Consider the responsibility of those in authority as revealed herein.
> The Apostle Paul makes it clear that it is a responsibility of government
> to instill fear in those who contemplate evil actions. We all know how
> this occurs. If you go through a speed trap and see that you have been
> caught, you might develop sweaty palms, and start to fear the possibility
> of points going on your record. If enough points were accumulated, you
> might lose your privilege to drive. The government instills fear to
> safeguard the roads. This is right and proper. It is also biblical.
> At this hour in our land our government is required to instill enough fear
> in the hearts of our enemies that they will not dare to repeat their
> action. Previous administrations have not instilled adequate fear and in
> that, they have failed us and failed in God’s directive about human
> government. When human governments are working well, evildoers are afraid
> to execute evil actions. The safety of a city, the safety of a country,

is

> an indication of the quality of its government. If a city or a country is
> not safe, it is an indication that the government is not fulfilling its
> God-ordained task of protecting citizens and punishing offenders.
> Another responsibility of human government is to avenge evil acts. Romans
> 13:4 is clear. God requires nations to avenge wrongs perpetrated against
> its people.
> We need to remember that while private vengeance is prohibited (Romans
> 12:19), official, governmental vengeance is required when law-abiding
> citizens become the victims of evildoers.
> In this capacity, Paul calls the government and its agencies "a minister

of

> God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil" (Romans
> 13:4). God has granted to the State the right and responsibility to use
> “the sword”, and swords are not used for spankings.
> St. Paul, in keeping with God’s holy law, was a proponent of capital
> punishment. Herein, he recognizes that the state is empowered by God to
> use the sword to punish offenders. The judge who sentenced Timothy

McVeigh

> to death, was no more guilty of murder himself than a judge who sentences
> an offender to pay a fine is guilty of theft.
> Most people think of men like me as ministers of God. Our vocation is to
> study, to pray, to preach, to counsel, to help people. Have you ever
> thought that Romans 13 requires us to have a wider concept of those who

are

> “ministers of God”?
> The reality is that the F-15 pilot who drops a bomb load on those who are
> clearly implicated as enemies, is also a “minister of God, an avenger who
> brings wrath on the one who practices evil” (Romans 13:4). So, too, is

the

> Navy Seal, who kicks in a door, and quickly and efficiently dispatches the
> enemy. State initiated punishment, if visited upon evildoers, is a
> responsibility that has been given to the State by God.
> Listen to the reasoning of a great Southern Presbyterian, namely Robert
> Louis Dabney: “It would be strange indeed if the ruler who is armed by God
> with the power of capital punishment against the domestic murderer, could
> not justly inflict the same doom on the foreign criminal who invades our
> soil unprovoked for the purpose of shedding blood. The security of life
> and property which the magistrate is intended to provide by his power of
> punishing would be illusory indeed, if it could only be used against
> individual criminals, while the more mischievous and widespread crimes of
> organized multitudes must go unpunished.”
> > Is this a time for war? Indeed it is. Thousands of peace-loving,

innocent

> people from over 60 nations went to work on Tuesday threatening no one.
> Wicked men, who make no distinction between civilians and the military,
> attacked them and took their lives. It is now the responsibility of our
> government to avenge their deaths, not by targeting other innocent people,
> but by identifying and then attacking the people and the States that
> sponsor them. It is the responsibility of our government to cause others
> to be afraid of ever repeating acts like this.
> May God help our leaders to so govern and act, that the right of all the
> people to live, travel, and work in peace is secured.
> > Amen.
> > > > > For further reading:
> > > > 1. Why Does God Allow War?, D. Martyn-Lloyd Jones, Evangelical Press of

Wales

> > 2. When Is It Right To Fight?, Robert A. Morey, Presbyterian & Reformed
> Publishing Company
> > 3. The Christian Attitude Toward War, Lorraine Boettner, Presbyterian & > Reformed Publishing Company
> > 4. Trusting God, Jerry Bridges, NavPress<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can we not take a higher road in this exercise in philosophy and discuss our great moments in history and what is so wonderful that we have been blessed to live our lives in peace, freedom and liberty and at what cost to others from the past.

If they could sacrifice to get us here can we not openly do the same today without fear of retribution?

This is the first time I’ve wanted to post on this thread, and I just want to agree that yes, the horses do keep us grounded. I actually had a lesson the night of Sept 11. It may have been one of my wimpiest lessons ever, but boy, did it bring me back to earth. I hear over and over “get back to your regular routine.” You can’t help but get back to your regular routine with horses. They still need to be feed, groomed, excercised, stalls still need cleaning (will anything ever be invented where stalls DON’T need cleaning). Even if you don’t feel like it, you have to take care of them. Unlike, say, going to work where there’s always that sick day option…

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This government is of the people, by the people and for the people and you are the people so get used to it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, and many people get screwed by their government, mainly because their bank account doesn’t have enough money in it. I see it all the time - feds, state, and local. I think if the government was really by us/for us, things would be different.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Elect liars and cheats who make you feel good and you will get what an electorate deserves when they don’t respect and honor the government.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wanted to vote for whom I thought to be an honest man for president, but, alas, in our state it is nearly impossible for a non democrat/republican to be included on our ballot.

I have respect for everyone on this BB engaged in this debate, no matter what side you are on, or how irrational I find your arguments. At least you care and are aware of politics and that is very good. I’m glad you are all thinking and using your brains. There are a whole lot of people who are absolutely clueless about anything except last weeks game and the latest knick knack on sale a Circuit City. They are the real dangers to our government and freedoms.

Ride it Like You Stole It…

OMG, hobson, real literature!

I only remember that there is such a thing!

Read one collection of Paul Bowles (a while back, can’t remember title, written in Morocco) which was about the eeriest thing I’ve ever read…

Buellerism is in effect today!

Yes! that has been my point. This is not the time to sit around picking on anyone’s personal habits because there are too many bad habits available for picking on.

While this country enjoys the luxury of criticizing our governement, and has the pleasant pass time of making bad jokes about almost everyone. It’s time to rally moral and not pull it down.

Point one: When have you ever seen more unselfish and dedicated people helping each other with full understanding of the risks? Isn’t it really nice not having everyone calling the coppers “pigs” any more.

Point two: There is nothing this country cannot accomplish when it wants to accomplish something. Look at the firemen who ran into the buildings when everyone else was being evacuated. They wanted to live but they cared enough to risk it all just to help. Who would have believed that people in this letigious society would be willing to make such a sacrifice.

Point three: When the chips are down and the job is tough we can as an American nation do anything we need to do to stay free.

I don’t believe the judgments of anyone who says we can’t or we won’t get the job done, and done the way it should be done is what we stand for and not the pessimistic who concentrate on the half of the glass that’s empty.

I take you all back to FDR who whatever the circumstances said “All we have to fear is fear itself”. And, Tony Blair who said (just paraphrasing my interpretation) sure we are afraid to defend ourselves but what there is to fear is what will happen if we don’t defend ourselves.

Just think Russia is going to give our men a base to work out of, Iran has offered to help. The people of Islam are united with the people of NATO and the United Nations is in full support. This is not just us against them, it’s them against the world. I thank God! that we have become sophisticated enough not to mind translaters and we can take speach accents as a sign of friendship in their willingness to join with us. Their efforts to learn our language is a compliment to our philosophies which they wish to share. Each country in it’s own way wants the best for their people. We can be broad minded enough to respect them and their ways and their beliefs.

Damn the politicians and their political stylists for forcing upon us a polarization on the basis of party affiliations; and creating in the ethos of the culture such sharp rancour.

And damn those who can’t recognize people for how they are without the need to denounce them as tree-hugging democrats or gun-toting republicans.

The older I get, I probably veer a bit further from our equivalent liberal party and take a small step closer to the progressive conservatives. Am I proud of that? Not particularly. Am I ashamed, not that either.

At times like this, I return to the feminist dictum that the ‘personal is political’. It’s how one conducts oneself and treats others that defines politics, in my mind. To that end, the greatest political statement that I need make is to raise three wonderfully compassionate, intelligent, and literate children.

This newly-evolved and tangental topic is soooo unrelated to anything else on this thread but, pt, as the sister of a schizophrenic, it’s quaint that you believe that we should tough it out through the hardships in our lives but for many, it’s not even a remote possibility.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The trouble with that is when those in power twist the meaning of “humanitarian” to mean protecting the interests of US multinationals abroad and such.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh c’mon now, we’d never do that! We’re like superman- we only go after the EVIL ONES! to save the poor suffering innocents suffering from the evil.

And, if we isolated ourselves, our cheap oil might dry-up and we’d have to do something crazy like invent a clean car that runs on hemp, and then we’d have to let people grow hemp and it would mess up our drug war and people would go crazy.

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Just a latteral drift—perhaps some intentional counter-bending has been added into the mix, but there is a logic to the progression…didn’t I, in my original question to DMK about the health insurance issue, include the information that a band-aid from the ER in Ocala ended up costing well over $200, which my insurance company paid, and I am expected to pay a $50 co-pay on top of that??? Horse related because Anna cut her finger on a nameplate on a borrowed chain leadline at HITS-----! Such an off kilter price for a band aid, would certainly lead one to wonder how medication for anthrax might be viewed by the ins industry, and we all know how “perceived” risk (different in my mind than “actual, common-sense applied” risk) is viewed by ins companies as a license to raise rates through the roof…health insurance is hard to get in the horse industry—horse related, there you are bingo, on-topic! I rest my case.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
And, finally, Tony Blair has always given me fever. He is very much a hottie.

Robby<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol Robby! Just the other day I was looking at a picture in one of my Political Science textbooks and thinking hmmm he’s pretty good-looking, who is he again? none other than Tony Blair himself. Of course I also get ragged for claiming that I would marry Anthony Hopkins in an instant so this should be no surprise…

Oh Bush’s speech, how wonderful was that? I’m not very patriotic by nature, but last night I wanted to paint my car and parade around with flags waving behind me. What a great unifying, well-written, articulate speech our president delivered. That said, I will be sure to say “terra” from now on just as I also say “strategery”. Still, I loved the speech and the man.

Was anyone else upset by Ms. Clinton’s behavior last night? It seemed everytime the camera panned to her she was either talking to the person next to her, or looking generally uninterested. Maybe they just caught her at the wrong times.

Jess

Snowbird, thank you for sharing the sermon. I really enjoyed reading it.

SLW

BUT! it seems memory and facts are very selective. We have supplied the most dollars to Afghanistan to help their people of anyone. We helped them beat the Russian bear by teaching them how to defend themselves.

But, what all these ostriches refuse to believe and what they refuse to comprehend is that this particular deviant group of Islamic activists really hate us not for anything but for our religions. And, it is not us as Americans but us as non-Islamics who not only refuse their beliefs but contradict them all. They believe it is fair to kill a man because his beard is too short. Any man with a clean shaven face is a satan.

This group has nothing to do with anything else. The other Islamic people condemn them as well. Mecca is in Saudi Arabia and it has been defiled by our presence because we have women who are able to be seen, we have women who are educated and that is against their faith in Allah.

Please stop looking for deep introspective solutions to their character. They are not true Islamics they are a male chavinist society that thinks of women as chattel.

The widows of THEIR heroes are forced to starve to death because the women may not be employed, the children of THEIR heroes die of starvation because their mothers are not even allowed to beg for food, it is illegal even for women to beg for food. Surely, some of Bin Laden’s money could feed these widows whose husbands made him a hero, surely he could spend some of his money to feed the children of the men who died so he could live.

You can philosphize and you can criticize us but we have spent more money feeding the widows than Bin Laden or anyone else. The Afghans are running because they want to live and all the borders are closed to them they cannot escape so yes! they are making their camps at the borders. Do you think they run because they trust the Taliban?

Yes! we helped them to fight Russia, but we did not intend to occupy their country, would you have wanted us to stay and form the government? I think not! Would you have wanted us to put troops into Afghanistan so it was not a haven for Bin Laden? I think not.

If you want anyone to take your constant depreciation of this country and it’s efforts for reality then tell me what was it we should have done? How many countries can we support on the taxes that you WANT to pay? We went into Kosovo to try and end a 1000 years of rivalry, and you complain. We leave Afghanistan to do it’s own thing and you complain.

You want to support the poor and homeless of the world with our national budget but then you complain because it is spent overseas. You don’t want to turn down your lights or not use your cars and yet you complain about pollution. You want open spaces preserved by the government but then you complain because it costs too much. You want to save the whales but you don’t want to support the whalers.

You want to save some wood rat and then complain because the California burns and you can’t have shavings for your horses because they are scarce, and no lumber is being cut for new housing.

You want open green spaces for horses but don’t want to pay for the privilege by giving up entitlements and subsidy from the government.

You sit here complaining about barn managers who charge too much and give too little back and show managers who charge too much and at the same time you can’t afford to show so you want to pay less and get more cash awards.

I believe this country is not perfect but it trys to balance it’s good deeds out of this country with the good intentions from this country. No one is plotting to be mean spirited, sure maybe we have made some bad decisions and maybe we have some bad politicians but I think we have learned from our mistakes.

I am offended by this constant defeatist and protagonist attitude. You can attack me if you like and if it acts as a therapy for your malcontent it will be worth the abuse.

If you want to be malevolent then please direct it towards the right people.

That was my favorite part too, Jumphigh.

DMK, what an interesting article. It is difficult from the news we get here, to really comprehend the size and sophistication of this organization. Their nasty little tendrils have stretched around the world.

I would pose the question, how do you wage a war against a strategy? Terrorism is such a changeable thing, used by extremists of all stripes. You can fight specific terrorists but the strategy won’t go away as long as we still have the economic and political conditions that foster the growth of extremist right-wing fundamentalists and far-left ideologues.

If I had to place bets on who wins the war against terrorism, I’d put my money on terrorism - it’s not going anywhere. Declaring a war in this kind of situation is such a tricky thing - if we are not a war with terrorism, and not at war with any particular nation, then where do we point the cannons? So I’d contend that we (the rhetorical “we” not the BB “we”) need to rethink the 20th-century concept of “war” and try to define some new, more applicable ways of meting out justice. I’ll have to delve into my theories of justice texts and get back to you on this one…

Can’t believe all you intellek-chuls have missed Eric van Lustbader!

Much better than I ever could have.

Got this in an email from my cousin. Don’t know if it’s real or not, but it certainly is interesting. Since there is a real name that can be tracked down signed to it, I’m inclined to believe its authenticity.

THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN BY A VERY
BRIGHT AND AFGHANISTAN STREET-SMART WEST POINT GRAD TO HIS CLASSMATES. HE
KNOWS THE TERRAIN, THE ENEMY AND THE WEATHER IN AFGHANISTAN FROM BEING
THERE, NOT FROM BOOKS.BURN HIS WORDS AND ADVICE INTO YOUR BRAINS.WE’LL
WIN, IF WE ALL HANG IN THERE UNTIL IT’S OVER OVER THERE.HACK CLASSMATES:

Many of you are probably not aware that I was one of the last American
citizens to have spent a great deal of time in Afghanistan. I was first
there in 1993 providing relief and assistance to refugees along the Tajik
border and in this capacity have traveled all along the border region
between the two countries. In 1998 and 1999 I was the Deputy Program
Manager for the UN’s mine action program in Afghanistan. This program is
the largest civilian employer in the country with over 5,000 persons
clearing mines and UXO. In this later capacity, I was somewhat ironically
engaged in a “Holy War” as decreed by the Taliban, against the evil of
landmines, and by a special proclamation of Mullah Omar, all those who
might have died in this effort were considered to “martyrs” even an
“infidel” like myself. The mine action program is the most respected
relief effort in the country and because of this I had the opportunity to
travel extensively, without too much interference or restricti! on. I
still have extensive contacts in the area and among the Afghan community
and read a great deal on the subject.

I had wanted to write earlier and share some of my perspectives, but quite
frankly I have been a bit too popular in DC this past week and have not
had time. Dr. Tony Kern’s comments were excellent and I would like to use
them as a basis for sharing some observations.

First, he is absolutely correct. This war is about will, resolve and
character. I want to touch on that later, but first I want to share some
comments about our “enemy.”

Our enemy is not the people of Afghanistan. The country is devastated
beyond what most of us can imagine. The vast majority of the people live
day-to-day, hand to mouth in abject conditions of poverty, misery and
deprivation. Less than 30% of the men are literate, the women even less.
The country is exhausted, and desperately wants something like peace. They
know very little of the world at large, and have no access to information
or knowledge that would counter what they are being told by the Taliban.
They have nothing left, nothing that is except for their pride.

Who is our enemy? Well, our enemy is a group of non-Afghans, often
referred to by the Afghans as “Arabs” and a fanatical group of religious
leaders and their military cohort, the Taliban. The non-Afghan contingent
came from all over the Islamic world to fight in the war against the
Russians. Many came using a covert network created with assistance by our
own government.

OBL (as Osama bin Laden was referred to by us in the country at the time)
restored this network to bring in more fighters, this time to support the
Taliban in their civil war against the former Mujehdeen. Over time this
military support along with financial support has allowed OBL and
his"Arabs" to co-opt significant government activities and leaders. OBL is
the “inspector general” of Taliban armed forces, his bodyguards protect
senior Talib leaders and he has built a system of deep bunkers for the
Taliban, which were designed to withstand cruise missile strikes (uhm,
where did he learn to do that?). His forces basically rule the southern
city of Kandahar.

This high-profile presence of OBL and his “Arabs” has, in the last 2 years
or so, started to generate a great deal of resentment on the part of the
local Afghans. At the same time the legitimacy of the Taliban regime has
started to decrease as it has failed to end the war, as local humanitarian
conditions have worsened and as “cultural” restrictions have become even
harsher. It is my assessment that most Afghans no longer support the
Taliban. Indeed the Taliban have recently had a very difficult time
getting recruits for their forces and have had to rely more and more on
non-Afghans, either from Pushtun tribes in Pakistan or from OBL. OBL and
the Taliban, absent any US action were probably on their way to sharing
the same fate that all other outsiders and outside doctrines have
experienced in Afghanistan-defeat and dismemberment. During the Afghan war
with the Soviets much attention was paid to the martial prowess of the
Afghans. We were all at West Point at the time and m! ost of us had
high-minded idealistic thoughts about how we would all want to go help the
brave “freedom fighters” in their struggle against the Soviets. Those
concepts were naive to the extreme. The Afghans, while never conquered as
a nation, are not invincible in battle. A “good” Afghan battle is one that
makes a lot of noise and light. Basic military skills are rudimentary and
clouded by cultural constraints that no matter what, a warrior should
never lose his honor. Indeed, firing from the prone is considered
distasteful (but still done). Traditionally, the Afghan order of battle is
very feudal in nature, with fighters owing allegiance to a"commander" and
this person owing allegiance upwards and so on and so on. Often such
allegiance is secured by payment. And while the Taliban forces have
changed this somewhat, many of the units in the Taliban army are there
because they are being paid to be there. All such groups have very strong
loyalties along ethnic and tribal lines. A! gain, the concept of having a
place of “honor” and “respect” is of paramount importance and blood feuds
between families and tribes can last for generations over a perceived or
actual slight. That is one reason why there were 7 groups of Mujehdeen
fighting the Russians. It is a very difficult task to form and keep united
a large bunch of Afghans into a military formation. The “real” stories
that have come out of the war against the Soviets are very enlightening
and a lot different from our fantastic visions as cadets. When the first
batch of Stingers came in and were given to one Mujehdeen group, another
group-supposedly on the same side, attacked the first group and stole the
Stingers, not so much because they wanted to use them, but because having
them was a matter of prestige. Many larger coordinated attacks that
advisers tried to conduct failed when all the various Afghan fighting
groups would give up their assigned tasks (such as blocking or overwatch)
and instead would j! oin the assault group in order to seek glory. In
comparison to Vietnam, the intensity of combat and the rate of fatalities
were lower for all involved.

As you can tell from above, it is my assessment that these guys are not
THAT good in a purely military sense and the “Arabs” probably even less so
than the Afghans. So why is it that they have never been conquered? It
goes back to Dr. Kern’s point about will. During their history the only
events that have managed to form any semblance of unity among the Afghans,
is the desire to fight foreign invaders. And in doing this the Afghans
have been fanatical. The Afghans’ greatest military strength is the
ability to endure hardships that would, in all probability, kill most
Americans and enervate the resolve of all but the most elite military
units. The physical difficulties of fighting in Afghanistan, the terrain,
the weather and the harshness are all weapons that our enemies will use to
their advantage and use well. (NOTE: For you military planner types and
armchair generals–around November 1st most road movement is impossible,
in part because all the roads used by the Russian! s have been destroyed
and air movement will be problematic at best). Also, those fighting us are
not afraid to fight. OBL and others do not think the US has the will or
the stomach for a fight. Indeed after the absolutely inane missile strikes
of 1998, the overwhelming consensus was that we were cowards, who would
not risk one life in face to face combat. Rather than demonstrating our
might and acting as a deterrent, that action and others of the not so
recent past, have reinforced the perception that the US does not have any
“will” and that were are morally and spiritually corrupt.

Our challenge is to play to the weaknesses of our enemy, notably their
propensity for internal struggles, the distrust between the
extremists/Arabs and the majority of Afghans, their limited ability to
fight coordinated battles and their lack of external support. More
importantly through is that we have to take steps not to play to their
strengths, which would be to unite the entire population against us by
increasing their suffering or killing innocents, to get bogged down trying
to hold terrain, or to get into a battle of attrition chasing up and down
mountain valleys.

I have been asked how I would fight the war. This is a big question and
well beyond my pay grade or expertise. And while I do not want to second
guess current plans or start an academic debate I would share the
following from what I know about Afghanistan and the Afghans. First, I
would give the Northern Alliance a big wad of cash so that they can buy
off a chunk of the Taliban army before winter. Second, also with this cash
I would pay some guys to kill some of the Taliban leadership making it
look like an inside job to spread distrust and build on existing discord.
Third I would support the Northern alliance with military assets, but not
take it over or adopt so high a profile as to undermine its legitimacy in
the eyes of most Afghans. Fourth would be to give massive amounts of
humanitarian aid and assistance to the Afghans in Pakistan in order to
demonstrate our goodwill and to give these guys a reason to live rather
than the choice between dying of starvation or dying ! fighting the
“infidel.” Fifth, start a series of public works projects in areas of the
country not under Taliban control (these are much more than the press
reports) again to demonstrate goodwill and that improvements come with
peace. Sixth, I would consider vary carefully putting any female service
members into Afghanistan proper-sorry to the females of our class but
within that culture a man who allows a women to fight for him has zero
respect, and we will need respect to gain the cooperation of Afghan
allies. No Afghan will work with a man who fights with women. I would hold
off from doing anything to dramatic in the new term, keeping a low level
of covert action and pressure up over the winter, allowing this pressure
to force open the fissions around the Taliban that were already
developing. I expect that they will quickly turn on themselves and on OBL.
We can pick up the pieces next summer, or the summer after. When we do
“pick-up” the pieces I would make sure that we do ! so on the ground, “man
to man.” While I would never want to advocate American causalities, it is
essential that we communicate to OBL and all others watching that we can
and will"engage and destroy the enemy in close combat." As mentioned
above, we should not try to gain or hold terrain, but Infantry operations
against the enemy are essential. There can be no excuses after the defeat
or lingering doubts in the minds of our enemies regarding American resolve
and nothing, nothing will communicate this except for ground combat. And
once this is all over, unlike in 1989 the US must provide continued
long-term economic assistance to rebuild the country.

While I have written too much already, I think it is also important to
share a few things on the subject of brutality. Our opponents will not
abide by the Geneva conventions. There will be no prisoners unless there
is a chance that they can be ransomed or made part of a local prisoner
exchange. During the war with the Soviets, videotapes were made of
communist prisoners having their throats slit. Indeed, there did exist a
“trade” in prisoners so that souvenir videos could be made by outsiders to
take home with them. This practice has spread to the Philippines, Bosnia
and Chechnya were similar videos are being made today and can be found on
the web for those so inclined. We can expect our soldiers to be treated
the same way. Sometime during this war I expect that we will see videos of
US prisoners having their heads cut off. Our enemies will do this not only
to demonstrate their “strength” to their followers, but also to cause us
to overreact, to seek wholesale revenge agai! nst civilian populations and
to turn this into the world wide religious war that they desperately want.
This will be a test of our will and of our character. (For further
collaboration of this type of activity please read Kipling). This will not
be a pretty war; it will be a war of wills, of resolve and somewhat
conversely of compassion and of a character. Towards our enemies, we must
show a level of ruthlessness that has not been part of our military
character for a long time. But to those who are not our enemies we must
show a level of compassion probably unheard of during war. We should do
this not for humanitarian reasons, even though there are many, but for
shrewd military logic. For anyone who is still reading this way to long
note, thanks for your patience. I will try to answer any questions that
may arise in a more concise manner.

Thanks, Richard Kidd

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Very interesting and much more on track than my “guy verses girl” idea, thanks. I have seen SPR, own the TB book and still gasp when I watch the documentary on “Doolittle’s Raiders” and listen to the horrors which men endured after the Japanese caught some of them.

SLW

A pox upon you, soy-haters. (Not a cutaneous anthrax pox, though). Try the plain soy milk. It’s almost like skim.

Now you’ll tell me you don’t like pale blue milk, either.

Organic tofu - it’s what’s for supper!!!

I needed some stitches when my dog accidentally slashed my wrist. I went to the ER since it was Saturday.

Very uncomplicated cut that needed eight stitches. The bill for ER and doctor was eleven hundred dollars. But I found that I could negotiate with the hospital and got the bill cut down by about 30%. The doctor bill goes through a different biller, and they won’t talk about a reduction.

Remember that I’m uninsurable, so I don’t have the options that insurance companies have to negotiate a reasonable charge for a fairly simple service.

Eleven hundred dollars for one cut needing eight stitches is absurd. What’s funny is that the cut was on the back of my wrist, and the ER people were wondering if I had done it myself. On the back of the wrist? That would be dumb.

If biological warfare stays in the “homeland”, the whole health provision system will be under a huge amount of stress, and the old ways of rationing care just won’t work. IMHO, of course.