Bush opens up a can of whoop a$$

[Duffy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by halfhalt:
about Kellybird’s post being her own? Heck, given my experience as both a daughter and a parent, i’ld never for one moment assume that what a teenager expresses is an echo of her/his parents’ views…! That’s a tad insulting to kellybird and other teenagers on the board.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL - My daughter felt she couldn’t agree with me when she turned 4 1/2!!! How’s that for “advanced”! LOLOL

We are lucky and blessed by having so many incredibly intelligent and articulate young people on this BB. THANK YOU!!! (And that includes Kellybird - BIG time!!! You go girl!)

[Snowbird]

I never said that was no stress syndrome, nor did I say everyone escaped it. What I said was it was our way to protect ourselves at that time. We didn’t dwell on the negatives and we put in in the back of our minds.

Sure, there were lot’s of men on the front line faced with the dead body of their friends and buddies that cracked. Sure looking some guy in the eye and knowing he wants you dead, or knowing that you had killed a human being was traumatic and caused lots of problems, but none of those problems would have been better if they got up on talk shows and advertised their problems. Better left where it was, as something that happened and was over.

Viet Nam and Korea were never declared to be wars. This is a war and we will win it.

[DMK]

I dunno, PT, hobson… this peace and harmony is looking mighty scary

Isolationism has certainly been the attempted goal of US policy for the majority of our history, but sadly, technology and communications don’t give a rat’s patootie about our policy, so I think it is a dream we pragmatically need to give up.

As you said, hobson, the UN is that international tribunal, and it has more power now than it has ever had. Given that nations can and do act in their self interest, any power that the UN has must be willingly conferred upon it by the participating nations in general and the Security Council in particular.

Since the US, China, Russia, France and Great Britain (security council members) are no more willing to give up their power today than they were in the middle of the Cold War, I can only believe that the reason the UN has greater influence today is because of that very interdependence that globalism creates. Such globalism is certainly the reason why Pakistan is willing to risk internal conflict if they assist the US in this effort. And it goes a long way to explaining the global coalition in general.

M.O’C - about the time you were doing your terrorism thing, I was researching ethnic disturbances in the Soviet Union and its autonomous oblasts (now known collectively as all those “stan” countries). I had a lot more data to work with, unless you consider the fact I had to get it from Pravda…

[Magnolia]

I think it is the whole free market thing. I think most americans feel our government is very incompetant and inefficient at providing services, and would rather rely on competition between corporations to ensure quality service than the government… and there is a lot of fear of “socialism” in this country. Any attempt to help the poor - living wages, gvt healthcare etc. is seen as socialism, which is a threat to the free market, and hence, democracy. Which I think stinks, but then again, I complain about taxes being too high…

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

[Flash44]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
Quote: " . Choke up Bin Laden or suffer the consequences. "
Do you really think the Taliban can send some police to 123 Terror St. and incarcerate Bin Laden? Their only hope is that the man turns himself in or dies in his sleep. Honestly, the people of Afghanistan really can’t win this one. They can face the wrath of the USA or the wrath of Bin Ladens numerous supporters.

Ride it Like You Stole It…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be 123 TERRA Street.

F44 - Once a nerd, always a nerd.

[Kryswyn]

beam down to Afghanistan with a small unit of red shirted Security Guards (who would all die); home in on bin Ladin using Spock’s coordinates from the bridge and after trading banter, cause bin Ladin to go for his sword. After an exciting sword fight and a last moment of philosophical dialog, JTK would be forced to run bin Ladin through. Saddened by the loss of life, he’d bring McCoy down to begin overseeing the care of the displaced starving Afghanis. Leaving Bones in charge, he’d beam back up. There, Spock would ask him when humans would realize that being so emotional would always result in conflict. To which he’d reply, “It’s what makes us strong, Spock. To fight for the underdog, to kill if necessary, but always to regret having to do it.” Turning in for the evening, he’d find his quarters already occupied, by MONICA LEWINSKY!!!

~Kryswyn~
“Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo”

[Magnolia]

rockstar-
You are from DC, and anyone else involved in the DC politics…
There are so many people, nations, factions etc. we could upset, who is keeping track of who we might offend by our actions? Is it the CIA that keeps track of all of these groups like the resistance in North Afghanistan? Do we rely on info from other nations? How does it work that we know who we can and cannot trust?

Ride it Like You Stole It…

[Midge]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
but, alas, in our state it is nearly impossible for a non democrat/republican to be included on our ballot. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<whispers> Harry Browne was on the ballot in 1996 and 2000.

[Duffy]

DMK, was that before or after you did the tossing back of your red tresses and batted those lashes at the poor unsuspecting officer?

[hobson]

Now THAT would qualify as poetic justice.

[N_B_T]

Blech!

[Snowbird]

It was the way that generation saw their role. I was part of that generation and while I never believed there would be a generation gap, I see it today.

I’m not judging which is better or worse, I only wish you all could understand there is more than one point of view. We did have a different view and I guess I’m trying to understand these changes. I think that the BB is sort of my compromise with what I always believed. A little private sharing of opinions.

[hobson]

Magnolia, you rabid libertarian! What color is that?

[vineyridge]

bought and paid for the Bushes generations ago. The former chairman of Exxon and one of Senior’s best friends is Ambassador to Great Britain. Both Bush and Cheney have been oilmen.

We’ve known about soy diesel for fifteen years, and corn gas. They are more expensive than oil but only because the technology is relatively new.

Big Oil probably owns Canada too.

We’ll just have to wait for the Japanese to create the technology to free us from Big Oil.

Did you see Doonesbury Sunday?

[Magnolia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, Magnolia, would your suggestion be
that we lower a giant bowl of honey into the middle of Afghanistan?
Afghanis crawl in to eat, and they can’t get out!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noooo, but you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar darlin’.
No, my idea is to feed the Afghanis that aren’t crazy terrorists so they have some strength to fight their government.
But yes, the ants crawl in and can’t crawl out. You can do the same thing for slugs, but you use beer. I have no clue what you would use to catch terrorists, but I have a funny picture in my head of a bunch of guys in camo rolling around in honey…

Ride it Like You Stole It…

[Magnolia]

There is a line from the bible -
“Judge not lest ye be judged yourself”
10 commandments:
“Thou Shalt not Kill”
and so forth and so on…

Ride it Like You Stole It…

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Surely, some of Bin Laden’s money could feed these widows whose husbands made him a hero, surely he could spend some of his money to feed the children of the men who died so he could live.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

M. O’Connor - thank you for your comments on the reasons why these terrorists are so violently anti-american. Their religion is the least of all reasons they do so, and to imply otherwise is fairly insulting to the world’s 2nd largest religion.

Snowbird, as for your request that bin Laden use his money to feed the families of his supporters, I would strongly suggest you read up on the subject. He does not have the support he has merely because he preaches anti-american propoganda. He DOES provide food, aid and money to these people.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am offended by this constant defeatist and protagonist attitude. You can attack me if you like and if it acts as a therapy for your malcontent it will be worth the abuse.

If you want to be malevolent then please direct it towards the right people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I confess, I am not offended, and have not detected malevolence in my posts, but instead, I confess to being downright bemused… Best as I can tell, you must have been reading a different thread. What I have seen is an intelligent, thoughtful analysis of the situation at hand.

Honestly, I have asked this of you several times - WHY do you think this kind of discussion is wrong?

I ask this knowing that the people that you want us to blindly support who are directing this campaign are having the EXACT same discussions, albeit on a much higher level. Do you think that they go forward without trying to fully understand the repercussions of their actions? Do you think that they blindly rush forward where fools fear to tread?

And if that is not what you think, WHY is it so wrong for us to try and understand these same things?

[pt1]

Thank you, DMK & Heidi, for your courteous responses to my question. I admit to getting confused among the barrage of threads, and appreciate the time you took to reply.

DMK - thanks for the list of suggested reading - I know you didn’t mean it as a suggestion, but there are some books on there I haven’t read & now intend to. Except the one on basketball - UGH!

Absolutely don’t want “shortcut” labels on anyone - left, liberal, democrat, socialist, etc. I’ve even been called a reactionary on this thread by someone who doesn’t know me at all and apparently hasn’t understood a word I’ve written.
No, I don’t necessarily agree entirely with Ted Nugent - closer to his comments however than to Karl Marx. Even closer to Groucho Marx probably. I thought it was a different and interesting POV. As to why he gets paid for his opinions - good manager, maybe?

NParkes - did your post mean you’d like to know my beliefs? Briefly, Constitutional government; decentralization of governmental functions usurped by the federal government; individual rights and responsibilities; work ethic… I don’t like Pres. Bush’s domestic, environmental or energy policies or his political link to the religious right at all, but I do think he is handling the terrorist issue well so far. I believe in education and the opportunity of each citizen to improve his or her life. I respect the right of every person to choose his or her path without restriction so long as it does not harm others. I regret the apparent domination of material over spiritual values in our society. I don’t believe that I work 40-60 hours a week so some able-bodied person unknown to me can work not at all. I honor our elders and think for the most part they are living gallantly in a society which mostly disregards them. If I have to help pay for your children, then I reserve the right to express my opinion of their behaviour. I love my family (2- and 4-footed,) my friends, and the fact that we live in a country where we are free to have an open discussion in a public forum such as this BB, at the same time that I recognize there can be a cost to preserving our freedom. I value the mental contact with all of you, perhaps especially those with whom I disagree because you make me examine my thoughts and present POV’s I may not have considered. 'Nuff said?

OK - it wasn’t brief. It was punctuated, however.

[N_B_T]

I am sure all of us would/do rate your grandmother VERY highly–perhaps you were seeing things in some of the booklist postings that really were not there, or meant in the way you might have thought?

And I for one love to hear about people’s actual experiences in other countries/places, with other people–however I will say that there is a filter there, too, of each person’s perspective on the experiences they have. People will perceive, react to, and take away very different things from the same experience.

A good writer can convey this, so well-written books are just someone “telling” us of what they have seen and thought about.

[halfhalt]

consumerism is not (or should not be) the core belief of any civilized society.