Yes, yes, yes, yes! I KNEW there was an incident with a pig on a plane!!
So we can put a federal marshall and a pig on every plane!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M. O’Connor:
The only thing missing from the mandate is a parallel all-out attack on the root causes of the discontent that leads to such outrageously depraved behaviors. Until these are addressed, the task we have now set course on will not be completed, and in fact will always need to be perpetuated…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That was my concern to (had that vision of the hydra in my head), but a coworker saw a very recent interview with Colin Powell, who has been stressing equal parts military, social, political and economic approaches to the problem, so I feel a lot better about that aspect…
I sit here happy that my husband returned safely from a business trip to Moscow and news that found out on the trip that many Russians he’s known through business were in the WTC. We had found out last week we know three people missing and may know many more due to our having worked in NY and the fact that Building 7 was Solomon’s headquarters and he previously worked for them.
I convinced a friend to go with me into NY on Wednesday night and I will relate part of the message I sent to friends…I had to go, it was like a close friend had been in a bad accident and was in terrible shape, I had heard they would be o.k. but I had to see them in person. NY is in bad shape but I came home knowing it would recover and be better than ever. My sadness and grief will never diminish but hope and resolve gives me strength. I pray for the families.
Regarding world politics and who did what. My husband served in Special Forces (Green Beret) for 7 years, SF reserves for 5 more years. “Bombing the hell” out of Afghanistan will not be necessary but some bombing will. We have tied the hands of our intelligence agencies - always caring about being politically correct or the civil rights of foreign nationals. Drive into NY and see the WTC site from a distance and talk to me about civil rights. Regarding past administrations actions in various countries. We worked hard in all countries toward various efforts - while you seem to focus on Central American you seem to have a brain lag about Europe - the Berlin Wall came down…remember??? My husband’s business involves most of Eastern Europe and the “stans”…you haven’t got a clue about that part of the world and the changes that have taken place and the number of people who were liberated from Communism and Socialism because you’ve been wrapped up in some strange Hollywierd government for the past 8 years. Where “photo ops” with bologne speaches by Mr. Clinto - who could talk for hours - Oh Sure he wrote all of his speeches!! right!
Regarding Maureen Dowd - well you can’t squeeze a piece of paper between her and the far left. Her opinion reinforces my dissent from hers. She sits smugly and securely in her “freedoms” but I’d bet money she’d be the first person to sell out everyone around her to keep her butt safe.
Here in NJ we may face the reality of the largest number of residents killed in the WTC - could be over 4000. Towns with hundreds of families with a parent dead - some next door neighbors, cars abandoned at train & bus stations and a reality that the Taliban has cells in Jersey City and various other towns! BUT - you gals who feel George Bush is some puppet with strings pulled by other will perhaps come to accept the reality that warrants are out in states all over the US and your little candy butts aren’t any safer than mine. You might be the ones who cannot fathom the bravery of the men who decided to over power the terrorists and bring the plane down over Pennsylvania - knowing they would die anyway but thinking only of others.
If you can’t stand being the President and government at this time of history - well I question if you ever would. BUT - know this the men and women in the military and government who will deal with this scurge will act on your behalf so you can continue to make jokes about the President’s speech patterns and refuse to believe he meant every word he said and he’ll stand behind his word and HIS focus is on the task at hand…not the polls…not the parasites in the media…and not on placing the civil rights of animals over the rights of US Citizens - their safety and the future of our children to grow up in a safe and free socity.
This thread shouldn’t end - we are debating the basic core of what this country is about. If this act didn’t shake us back on track to realize what’s important and right - well we are doomed. I believe it did touch the majority of people to their soul and for those of you who feel the President is less than up to the task - time will prove you wrong. JMHO.
DMK, you have hit the nail on the head with that one.
It is all very well to want to fix things, and quite virtuous to be aware that we are likely in a predicament that we share historical responsibility for creating…but on the other hand, we can’t very well sit back and wait till they [insert next most unimaginable heinous act of violence here]. In the larger scheme of things they have upped the ante to a point where we have more to gain by going after them than by sitting back and waiting for the next shoe to drop. It would be great if we could avoid the “us or them” scenario in some way…but they have already declared thier intentions. Now we must follow through, wherever that course may take us.
> BAD AMERICAN Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001
> Written by Ted Nugent, the rock singer and hunter/naturalists, upon
> hearing that California Senators B. Boxer and D. Feinstein denounced
> him for
> being a “gun owner” and a “Rock Star”. This was
> his response, after telling the senators about his
> past contributions to children’s charities and
> scholarship foundations, which have totaled more
> than $13.7 million in the last 5 years!!
>
> I’m a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for
> me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty
> women.
>
> I believe the money I make belongs to me and my
> family, not some midlevel governmental functionary
> with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to
> crack addicts squirting out babies.
>
> I don’t care about appearing compassionate.
>
> I think playing with toy guns doesn’t make you a
> killer. I believe ignoring your kids and giving
> them Prozac might.
>
> I think I’m doing better than the homeless.
>
> I don’t think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I
> have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are
> different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not
> necessarily up to others
> expectations. I know what SEX is and there are not
> varying degrees of it.
>
> I don’t celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to
> that’s fine; I just don’t feel like everyone else
> should have to.
>
> I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen
> shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do
> it in English. As of matter of fact, if you are
> an American citizen you should speak English. My
> uncles and
> forefathers shouldn’t have had to die in vain so you
> can leave the countries you were born in to come
> disrespect ours, and make us
> bend to your will. Get over it.
>
> I think the cops have every right to shoot your
> sorry butt if you’re running from them after they
> tell you to stop. If you can’t
> understand the word ‘freeze’ or ‘stop’ in English,
> see the previous line. I don’t use
> the excuse “it’s for the children” as a shield for
> unpopular opinions or actions.
>
> I know how to count votes and I feel much safer
> letting a machine with no political affiliation do
> a recount when needed. I know what the definition
> of lying is, and it isn’t based on the word
> “is”-ever.
>
> I don’t think just because you were not born in
> this country, you qualify for any special loan
> programs, gov’t sponsored bank loans, etc.,
> so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or
> any thing else, while the indigenous peoples can’t
> get past a high school education because they can’t
> afford it.
>
> I didn’t take the initiative in inventing the
> Internet.
> I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny.
>
> I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.
>
> I believe no one ever died because of something
> Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but
> that doesn’t mean I want to listen to that crap from
> someone else’s car when I’m stopped at a red light.
> But I respect
> your right to.
>
> I think that being a student doesn’t give you any
> more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster or
> Jack In The Box.
>
> I don’t want to eat or drink anything with the
> words light, lite or fat-free on the package.
>
> Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country
> and risk their lives in vain and defend our
> Constitution so that decades later you can tell me
> it’s a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation.
> The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they
> meant what they said - now leave the document alone, or there’s
> going to be trouble.
>
> I don’t hate the rich. I help the poor. I know
> wrestling is fake. I’ve never owned, or was a
> slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers
> weren’t wealthy enough to own one either. Please
> stop blaming me because some prior white people were
> idiots - and remember, tons of white,
> Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved
> too - it was wrong for every one of them.
>
> I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a
> cause is more dangerous than a Hell’s Angel with an
> attitude.
>
> I want to know exactly which church is it where
> the “Reverend” Jessie Jackson preaches; and, what
> exactly is his job function.
>
> I own a gun, you can own a gun, and any red
> blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but
> if you use it in a crime, then you
> will serve the time.
>
> I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every
> penny he made and continue to make more. If it
> makes you mad, then invent the next operating system
> that’s better and put your name on the building.
> Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help
> you.
>
> I don’t believe in hate crime legislation. Even
> suggesting it makes me mad. You’re telling me that
> someone who is a minority,gay,
> disabled, another nationality, or otherwise
> different from the mainstream of this country has
> more value as a human being that I do as a white
> male. If someone kills anyone, I’d say that it’s a
> hate crime. We don’t need more
> laws! Let’s enforce the ones we already have.
>
> I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake
> anything sucks.
>
> I believe that it doesn’t take a village to raise
> a child-it takes a parent with the guts to stand up
> to the kid and spank his butt and say “NO!” when
> it’s necessary to do so.
>
> I’ll admit that the only movie that ever made me
> cry was Ole Yeller.
>
> I didn’t realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I
> had a kid.
>
> I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon
> or be made to keep silent because I have these
> beliefs and opinions. I thought this country
> allowed me that right.
>
> I will not conform or compromise just to keep from
> hurting somebody’s feelings. I’m neither angry nor disenfranchised,
> no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the
> world to believe otherwise.
>
> Yes, I guess by some people’s definition, I may be
> a bad American.
> But that’s tough.
>
> Ted Nugent
horse,horse,horse
How do you spell titalating? Tittilating?
You know, Fabio got his start modeling in safety clothing catalogs!
Ride it Like You Stole It…
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weatherford:
HOWEVER his (and his administration’s) treatment of the FARMERS in Great Britain is BEYOND BELIEF - absolutely horrific, and don’t even get me started on the ruination of agriculture in the UK that COULD have been prevented. Granted, what’s 3 million animals dead?? And thousands of farmers out of business with NO recourse. He has effectively wiped out a way of in GB - certainly has wiped out GENERATIONS of irreplacable breeding in cattle, sheep, and pigs.
This is, however, a discussion for another thread.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>>.
I know, I know!!! 
It took a LOT for me to “atta boy” him after the events of last year, F&M and push to stop hunting. He does PR very well…
SLW
Weatherford,
The source of your post states “The Independent”. Where/what is that source?
Thank you for sharing it here.
SLW
In a ‘normal’ person, yes ritalin is a stimulant. In an ADD or ADHD person, it acts to focus the rapidly firing (or misfiring?) brain synapses. In ADD the brain lacks the ability to go from “A” to “B” …it goes from “A” to “CHSJMVURDNGMTUDHTMFJDN” then to “B”, MAYBE. Ritalin acts like a pair of glasses for the brain. In a ‘normal’ child, it would make them nervous and edgy. In an ADD child, it makes them focused and able to stay on one thing for longer than three seconds. For those who need it and their families it is a Godsend. I WISH a child with ADD or ADHD on some of you who think that it is something that can be educated out of them!! It is a REAL ORGANIC disorder in the brain synapses, not some psychobabble that has become a new ‘fad’. Research?? Yes. Summarily dismissing the whole syndrome to ‘behavior’ or ‘spoiling’ is dead wrong.
You CAN NOT sedate a ‘normal’ child with the drug. It would make the behavior much WORSE. Therefore true ADD and ADHD children CAN NOT “do without” the medication. I take that back, they CAN do without it but they will not be able to keep on task or complete a thought. The notion of teachers et al ‘sedating’ kids with ritalin is laughable. Anyone who thinks that is clearly ignorant about ADD and it’s pharmacology.
[This message was edited by horsluvr on Oct. 06, 2001 at 07:47 PM.]
Press shouldn’t be in the way… either they’re morons or they just weren’t properly instructed and whoever coordinates the press corps is not doing their job.
I don’t think a reporter can just book a ticket to Afghanistan and show up on the front lines. Someone is supposed to organize and supervise these things so situations like you describe don’t happen.
A rough day in DC.
There was having former Clinton national security advisor sandy berger tell us at a conference my organization ran today, “There is no doubt that we will be attacked again.”
There was having two economic genuises, Gene Sperling (former Clinton economic advisor) and Bob Hormats (Goldman Sachs bigwig) tell us at the same congference that we’re pretty much totally screwed in the economy department.
There was finding out that a kid I am friends with from school who interns for Daschle was actually in the mailroom opening mail with the other interns when the anthrax letter was found.
It’s so depressing to look ahead and find it hard to see anything in the future except extremely difficult times for us all… individually and as a nation.
But hey, i got on c-span today, so everything is ok 
. Our conference was aired and I was passing the mike around during our panel q and a sessions. you’re not anybody until you have been on c-span for two seconds, right 
???
ughhh.
Canter…I’m not surprised in the least that Canada wasn’t mentioned. Yes, ordinary people stepped up to the plate, donated blood, took people in who were stranded etc., however, the government hasn’t committed to anything yet…not even to working with America to strengthen our borders. Infact, when he goes down to the States next week (I can’t believe he wasn’t down there in the first couple of days since NYC is only an hour away) he has already said that he can’t visit NYC because he has a prior committment which is a fundraising dinner. This guy is a liability and make no mistake, there wasn’t an ommission last night. We were deliberatly left out of his speech to send us a message. I think he has totally mismanaged this entire situation.
That’s my two cents (which in Cdn. $ is not much).
Laura Bush was on OPRAH …no less to speak to Americans regarding how they must devote time and attention to their children at this time. I haven’t spoken to any parent, regardless of political affilitation, who didn’t laud her sincerety, her genuine concern and her strength. Her concern for where her children were on 9/11 was the same reaction ANYONE with children had on that day. Trying to diminish her concern for others over herself has no basis in truth.
Snowbird, just one problem resulting from the creation of the state of Israel is the generations of displaced Palestinians that the British failed to consult or to consider.
Stubborn problems persist with our friend Israel, such as the propensity of groups of its “settlers” to continue to develop areas of the West Bank that have been designated as Palestinian without consulting or even considering the Palestinians, and then to protest loudly when these are threatened…after the fact, of course they are reluctant to give up these settlements…at the moment, it is Sharon who is walking away, much to the consternation of his American “friends.”
Yes, starlady is quite likely to be able to give us a firsthand look at what our lives are about to become–gas masks, fear of attack, mistrust of our global neighbors, a period of non-optional national service for every citizen, and no alternative but to arm up and lash out at any percieved threat before it strikes at us.
>>I’m not sure how his previous career as shock rocker qualifies him as a commentator on politics and social justice.<<
My goodness - I didn’t realize that one’s occupation disqualified anyone from reading, thinking, or forming and stating an opinion.
but i just have to point out that i corrected the spelling error first, so there!
Did someone mention choral sects? I love listening to choral sects!
Way back in the prehistoric 60’s I did a talk show for Seaton Hall University. On one program, I interviewed the Director of a Teaching College.
This conversation has stuck with me all these years because I found it so shocking. I thought such a disclosure would cause a revolution but now 40 years later it has come true.
What this lady said was it was her job to teach the teachers how to make everyone mediocre. That the future of the country depending on everyone being in the middle ground. WHY? Beacuse eventually everyone will either be part of a corporation or a union.
For example you don’t want to excel in the corporate structure because if you increased production by 7% when 6% was the norm, then you would make the guy who preceded you look bad, and the ones that followed you would have to work too hard.
So, here in the northeast at least, they pull all the bright ones out and put them in a separate class never to be heard from again until they are properly conditioned. Then they take to slow ones and put them in their own group where they can be A Students. Those middlers then are the real class, and if you have a deviant individualist who is not too bright then you medicate them so they will conform.
When I was in grade school classes were not so homogenized. Classes were pretty much in alphabetical order. By fourth grade we had figured out that about 10% of the world was pretty intelligent, and about 10% was pretty slow. And, most of us fit somewhere in between. By eighth grade it wasn’t hard to know who was college bound and who would be the tradesmen and salesmen. There was no culture shock for us when we finally got out in the world because there was no surprises in store for us. Now if you are in the F+ group and you’ve had your little psyche protectd for 12 years as a straight A student when you get into industry it’s quite a shock to find out all those smart kids were already there.
Another concept I really liked was those who were in the top 10% were assigned a personal dummie to tutor. The idea was that when God passed out brains you got extra and the ones you got might have been theirs. So being smart had nothing to do with your quality but the luck of the draw and therefore you owed it to help the other guys who got short changed.
We didn’t have dunce caps or make anyone feel stupid. But it was a reality check and we didn’t have all these bazaar pychotic excuses for bad behavior, you were either right or wrong and no one else was to blame.
So to answer you Kellybird, no we don’t reward excellence we punish it as non-conformity. We punish success because it is non-conforming. Look at the tax rate! If you’re very successful and work hard and build a business that employs lots of people, you don’t get credit you get a boost in taxes. If you accumulate a nice estate for your children the government wants half just because you died.
If you have a fancy car some poor soul will jump in front of it because they know you’re insured. If you wear jewelry and furs you will probably get mugged unless you hire a body guard. If you have nothing then there’s nothing for the children to fight over so they actually get to act like brothers and sisters. And then there’s the fact that whatever you give isn’t considered enough because you can afford it, so you don’t even get a thank you. Your help think they’re underpaid because they don’t live as well as you.
Can you imagine how sad it must be for someone to know in their heart that people are not nice to them because they care but because they want something you can give them.
There used to be an old saying I was taught at my mother’s knee, people will give you their hand and help you to get up when you’re down and out, BUT when you’re on your feet again, they’ll try to knock you down again. Think about it!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by creseida:
The man is an idiot without the savant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Okay, back to your previously scheduled policy discussions, but let me leave with one last thought - Is “DMK” the humble screen name of a genuine Nobel Laureate??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh so very not, HYN 
But thanks for the incredible compliment, and feel free to send me my million bucks It’s my one claim to fame to be fairly well versed in health care economics. Frankly, an ability to find 8 distances might have served me better! 
hobson, if you are referring to the country I am thinking of, you also have to give a nod to the fact that the same non-violent revolution (and it was truly amazing) still resulted in partition of the country, thousands massacred in the name of religion, and the creation of a not-so-insignificant country (in the modern scope of things) by the name of Pakistan? Non-violent? Yes. Bloodless? To the great sorrow of Ghandi, no.
And back to COTH Arab Studies…
If you haven’t already had a chance to see it, please watch Frontline this week. Very good discussion on the roots of Al Qaeda.
Here’s a link to a timeline of terrorism, and a rather thorough discussion of who/where all the various factions originate from. I’d also recommend hitting “home” and checking out the other interviews and links. It’s about the most indepth piece I have seen so far (gee, what a surprise)…
