Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

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How did a thread about an overturned cattle trailer full of horses turn into some pi$$ing contest about the use of hormones in beef, pray tell?

The link to the story from a prior driver pretty much confirmed what I think. The owner of this farm is a sick slick bastard who likes to flout the law for his own profit. I hope there is enough uncovered on this creep that he serves jail time.

Just the fact that his farm is named for Angels (probably so he could “fly under the radar” shipping horses off to Mexico without proper documentation, proper breaks for drivers and etc.-- Yes his farm was named for angels --angels like the Angel of Death Abuse and Cruelty. I hope authorities dig deeper on this one-- I bet they will probably uncover enough horse carcases to make what happened at the TB farm in LA look like Disneyland.[/QUOTE]

Like.

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“They” will never continue on with this story because “they” have apparently lost interest in it. A local tv reporter was in contact with me and wanted to go to some auctions, etc but that was then and this is now and I guess she has changed her mind. Not that any report would stop anything because it is all legal but the general public needs to know this stuff exist —IMO—and is deeply embedded in the middle TN culture (sic). For many, going to the horse auction is family night out.

I thought this was just a “truck accident” story? What does auctions have to do with a truck accident?

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Duh…, the owner of the horses and the truck/trailer is a well known “kill buyer” from the middle TN area----------that is what it has to do with the 38 horses on the overturned trailer. The horses were headed for Presidio, TX for slaughter in Mexico. Etc.

CAPITAL DUUUHHHH

Over and over again in this thread people claimed it was about slaughter. It was just about a truck accident. So it doesn’t matter where they were going. Unless you want to make the into another slaughter thread???

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It was about the wreck but the belly of it was/is the horrible people that prosper from hauling horses to slaughter but won’t admit when confronted by a news team what they are doing-they lie. And I’m not a RARA. I’m pro-euthanazia for homeless, injured horses or even healthy horses instead of dead bolting/machete killings. That’s all.

I’m honestly just curious - when you say you support euthanasia for all the homeless, unsound, unwanted horses, what do you propose we do with all the poisoned corpses?

[quote=JackieBlue;6109440]I’m honestly just curious - when you say you support euthanasia for all the homeless, unsound, unwanted horses, what do you propose we do with all the poisoned corpses?
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Maybe she’s a slaughter at home kind of person.

Not nashfad but I would like to see ACO’s trained to properly shoot horses. Done correctly it is a humane way to end their lives and results in less of a disposal problem.

Not all euthanasias by lethal injection go smoothly

well, of course chemical euthanasias don’t always go as planned. What does? No offense meant at all to any ACO’s reading, but seriously, they are the LAST group of folks I want to see firing large caliber weapons at anything. :eek:

My momma used to say that if you felt that you had to say “No offense meant” or something similar before your comment, you probably shouldn’t be saying it.

Just sayin’

Touche. And if you have to say, “Just sayin’,” you might want to evaluate your need for a passive aggressive disclaimer of a similar variety.

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CAPITAL DUUUHHHH

Over and over again in this thread people claimed it was about slaughter. It was just about a truck accident. So it doesn’t matter where they were going. Unless you want to make the into another slaughter thread???[/QUOTE]
This thread has made it clear that all the pro-slaughter arguers who say ‘bring it here and we’ll make sure it’s humane’ are not serious.

The bottom line is that the industry- auction to slaughter- has been and always will be rife with inhumanity. Legislate all you want, we have seen, over and over, how that ends up. Horses suffering in a wreck on a trailer at the hands of people who think of the money first, last, and always… and holding pens/Feedlots that are not required to provide care.

And as I said, those who are pro-slaughter and insist that bringing it back to the states will make it more humane, then choose to stand by silently when these situations are in the news, well it says it all doesn’t it?

LOL, I put that there knowing that I was following your example rather than my momma’s

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The truck probably overturned because this operation has a “record” of not following laws designed to make hauling “safe.” It doesn’t matter to me that the horses were being sold to slaughter EXCEPT that the man engaging in this “enterprise” is such a lawbreaker that he is oprating an “unsafe” business on many levels.

Also, as a result of the “accident” it has now come to light via an eye witness report, that this man is cruel and abusuve – beating, poking, prodding the horses he is selling, and not allowing for proper rest periods for the horses or the drivers-- all against various laws and immoral and unethical.

He apparently endangers the lives and livelihoods of others by shipping horses without proper impsection and health certificates, forces drivers to drive longer than the law allows, doesn’t stop for rest periods as required for horses or people. And didn’t pay his employee the money owed him. (This is illegal, too.)

Additionally, according to eye witness reports by a former driver, he not only engages in unlawful and cruel (animal cruelty is also unlawful in most states) behavior, he apparently knowingly colludes with others who break the law and endanger people by administering steriods, and who knows what else to slaughterbound horses that also lack the proper documentation.

In short, this man deserves to be charged for his crimes and serve time for them regardless as to whether he was shipping horses to slaughter or to some dude ranch string. The fact that these horses are being shipped to slaughter is just “icing on the cake” for those of us who oppose horse slaughter. It is just more proof that the horse slaughter pipeline is abusive and cruel in and of itself from starrt to finish, and often times involves criminal activity. Because of lack of documentation on these horses this man shipps, who is to say that some of them were not stolen, for example?

And as for disposing of “all the poisoned” bodies if slaughter is shut down, well my vet says the amount of drugs present in a euthanized horse is not an issue as far as health and safety. I say, they can be buried or cremated. Really, do the slaughter proponents think that the slaughter houses don’t pose a health and safety threat? What do you think happens to the blood and what is left after the meat is stripped from the bones? What about the offal? Do you think all of this magically dissappears because a horse is slaughtered and not euthanized? DUH.

I also believe that horse breeders and owners should all be responsible for the animals they cause to be born or own. Breeders should all have to pay some sort of surcharge as part of the registration process that is set aside to care for or euthanize horses, or breeders should have to pay for licenses if they want to continue to breed hroses is such a down market. Breed associations should stop encouraging wholesale breeding.

Did we expect anything else? :wink:

And what do hormones in beef have to do with this thread?
You weren’t complaining then. :rolleyes:

Hormones in beef or female hormones had nothing to do with this thread.

Neither does slaughter or auctions.

A truck accident, that some wanted to use to promote an agenda.

I am “pro-slaughter” or better said I am not against slaughter.

I never said anything about humane. Slaughter is slaughter, kill and butcher horse.

I may have said if everyone is so concerned about transporting great distances to slaughter, bring the slaughter houses closer. I personally feel slaughter houses should be close to auctions.

If the anti group want to save and rescue horses from slaughter, buy the horses and take care of them. Also don’t use slaughter as a sales tool to pimp for kill buyers. I personally will not support any rescue that total purpose is to prevent a horse from going to slaughter and uses it as a marketing tool.

I don’t give a rats behind about the arguement about hormones, medications, etc. Inspect the meat if it is going for human consumption.

This was just about a truck accident. all the rest is propaganda. BS, Horse Manure!