Charlotte Jorst calls out Gary Rockwell

[Scribbler]

[QUOTE=BigMama1;8565543]
Because you can’t buy success. The financial freedom to ride full time, learn from the best trainers and buy the best horses certainly makes things A LOT easier but it’s no guarantee of success. [/QUOTE]

This occurred to me when I was watching a documentary on “The Royals and Their Horses” on TV. Filmed a while back. Interview with Princess Zara the cross country eventer (Princess Anne’s daughter, niece to the Queen) saying how she’d had to miss the Olympics one year because her best horse got injured, and her backup horse wasn’t good enough, or something like that. I thought, wow, even a bonafide Princess is still going to have Bad Horse Luck.

[Cowgirl]

[QUOTE=HSS;8565178]
Last one to purchase a berth on the Olympic team was Sven Rothernberger. Took a while, and included changing countries as well as a string of fabulous already trained horses, but eventually he succeeded.

World Cup as a back up award is not exactly sawdust.

Let’s hope she manages a little more graciousness as our ambassador in Sweden. Maybe Guenter can give her lessons in manners as well as riding:o[/QUOTE]

This is not exactly accurate. Judging by how many top horses change hands before the deadlines every Olympic year it is quite common. Some have had the resources and not even been as successful as CJ (have not done a WC, eg).

[Equibrit]

[QUOTE=Scribbler;8565847]
This occurred to me when I was watching a documentary on “The Royals and Their Horses” on TV. Filmed a while back. Interview with Princess Zara the cross country eventer (Princess Anne’s daughter, niece to the Queen) saying how she’d had to miss the Olympics one year because her best horse got injured, and her backup horse wasn’t good enough, or something like that. I thought, wow, even a bonafide Princess is still going to have Bad Horse Luck.[/QUOTE]

She is not a Princess.

[Crockpot]

[QUOTE=Cowgirl;8565896]
This is not exactly accurate. Judging by how many top horses change hands before the deadlines every Olympic year it is quite common. Some have had the resources and not even been as successful as CJ (have not done a WC, eg).[/QUOTE]

right. I can think of several…

[atlatl]

[QUOTE=HSS;8565178]
Last one to purchase a berth on the Olympic team was Sven Rothernberger. Took a while, and included changing countries as well as a string of fabulous already trained horses, but eventually he succeeded.

World Cup as a back up award is not exactly sawdust.

Let’s hope she manages a little more graciousness as our ambassador in Sweden. Maybe Guenter can give her lessons in manners as well as riding:o[/QUOTE]

Have you ever been stabled near Guenter? Let’s just say I’m not lining up for an autograph any time soon.

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8567136]
Have you ever been stabled near Guenter? Let’s just say I’m not lining up for an autograph any time soon.[/QUOTE]

And the reason is… ?

[atlatl]

[QUOTE=Mardi;8568183]
And the reason is… ?[/QUOTE]
Apparently, you missed the “let’s just say” bit, but whatever.

My admittedly limited observation/interaction over the course of a weekend was not consistent with someone who would be recommended to offer “lessons in manners” or lessons in consideration for or graciousness to others with respect to common areas in stabling or warm-up arenas as contrasted with other Olympians, specifically Hilda Gurney or Charlotte Bredahl.

In a nutshell; in my opinion, he is quite rude. Maybe he was having a bad couple of days, maybe not. Hilda Gurney had a horse fall on her and was back the next day, gracious as ever. She is my hero!

[HSS]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8567136]
Have you ever been stabled near Guenter? Let’s just say I’m not lining up for an autograph any time soon.[/QUOTE]

Goodness! When I “knew” him, many many many moons ago, he was the most gracious person. To his clients, his owners, and strangers, such as I. Of course, this was in the days of Numir. What a gorgeous picture they made together in those days-

I was always struck by how outgoing and friendly he was compared to other professionals.

Seemed the same to me the last time I came across him just last year…along with Gary Rockwell, so it’s a small small world.

Never been stabled next to him, never got into a closer relationship with him, so who knows?

Wow. the internet is sure a gossip columnists dream!

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8568225]
Apparently, you missed the “let’s just say” bit, but whatever.

My admittedly limited observation/interaction over the course of a weekend was not consistent with someone who would be recommended to offer “lessons in manners” or lessons in consideration for or graciousness to others with respect to common areas in stabling or warm-up arenas as contrasted with other Olympians, specifically Hilda Gurney or Charlotte Bredahl.

In a nutshell; in my opinion, he is quite rude. Maybe he was having a bad couple of days, maybe not. Hilda Gurney had a horse fall on her and was back the next day, gracious as ever. She is my hero![/QUOTE]

perhaps he was under a lot of pressure?

we hear these little tidbits on forums like this all the time. I struggle with what to think when we hear negative comments. Might be true, might not. It’s someone’s opinion.

I’d hate to have people talk about me like this who don’t really know me.

[atlatl]

Apparently, you missed the “let’s just say” bit, but whatever.

My admittedly limited observation/interaction over the course of a weekend was not consistent with someone who would be recommended to offer “lessons in manners” or lessons in consideration for or graciousness to others with respect to common areas in stabling or warm-up arenas as contrasted with other Olympians, specifically Hilda Gurney or Charlotte Bredahl.

In a nutshell; in my opinion, he is quite rude. Maybe he was having a bad couple of days, maybe not. Hilda Gurney had a horse fall on her and was back the next day, gracious as ever. She is my hero!

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8568251]
perhaps he was under a lot of pressure?

we hear these little tidbits on forums like this all the time. I struggle with what to think when we hear negative comments. Might be true, might not. It’s someone’s opinion.

I’d hate to have people talk about me like this who don’t really know me.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know how I could have qualified it more.

BTW: Charlotte Jorst probably feels the same way you do.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8568285]
I don’t know how I could have qualified it more.

BTW: Charlotte Jorst probably feels the same way you do.[/QUOTE]

you can’t qualify it- that’s my point.

This post wasn’t so much directed at you-- I’m mulling over how to understand this online info. I have not met these people.

I have always had a lot of respect for him as a rider.

Its like knowing about George Morris’ sex life on the HJ thread-as his new book is discussed- just don’t want to go there. :eek: Granted he put that out there, but it’s again the intersection of social media and real life.

Sometimes I just don’t care, keep it focused on horse training.

[atlatl]

Qualify as in to: “modify or limit in some way; make less strong or positive:
to qualify an endorsement”. From Dictionary.com

My bolded statements were intended to make it clear that my comment was based on limited observation and was my opinion. One might say they “qualified” the conclusion.

I’ll try to resist the softball you just tossed out about prominent riders’ sexuality …

I find that just ignoring things in threads that I don’t care about works for me YMMV (that’s another qualification )

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8568342]
Qualify as in to: “modify or limit in some way; make less strong or positive:
to qualify an endorsement”. From Dictionary.com

My bolded statements were intended to make it clear that my comment was based on limited observation and was my opinion. One might say they “qualified” the conclusion.

I’ll try to resist the softball you just tossed out about prominent riders’ sexuality …

I find that just ignoring things in threads that I don’t care about works for me YMMV (that’s another qualification )[/QUOTE]

Right, and I’m saying that on my side of the screen I’m trying to make sense of opinions. That is all.

I’m not throwing out GM’s sex life as a conversation piece, only to illustrate a point about going off topic. Does it help us become better riders? no, so why mention it at all? I was mistaken that his book was about training and horses, I guess that was my fault. I don’t care of he slept with X people.

Anyways, back to OP, glad she deleted her posting. Just don’t go there.

[Miss_Anne_Thrope]

Am I the only one who doesn’t think her FB comments are necessarily whiny or “calling out” the judge in question.

I can imagine myself posting something similar along the lines of “Dang, I’ve been working on this harmony stuff and still got dinged for it. What do you guys think?”

Of course, I’m not a pro and nowhere near her level.

[Windermere]

If it was phrased like you suggest, I don’t think it would have left as much of an impression on people.

But singling the judge out by name, and asking whether the ride was a 66 or a 72 (basically asking readers to judge whether Gary was right or wrong), is what really made the comment leave a poor taste in my mouth.

Judges face an incredible amount of scrutiny from the dressage public as a whole, I would expect that the top riders would be more sympathetic to that level of pressure.

[Equibrit]

@Windermere;8568498

But singling the judge out by name, and asking whether the ride was a 66 or a 72 (basically asking readers to judge whether Gary was right or wrong), is what really made the comment leave a poor taste in my mouth.

Yup,
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[kkj]

Definitely think it was in poor taste on Charlotte’s part to call out Gary Rockwell. I can’t imagine doing that myself. I am one of those people who totally pulls for Laura Graves, Liz Austin and Alyssa Pitts and anyone else who can pick out a horse as an unstarted youngster and bring it up to FEI. I think one of the shortcomings of US dressage is we have so few people who can do that. Think about it. Steffen’s horses Ravel, Rosamunde etc were bought after they were already brought along by Europeans, Charlotte just waits for an opportunity to buy this or that star that someone else has made. I will never have as much respect for people who do that as I will for someone like Laura Graves who worked as a hairstylist (I think) and brought her horse from weaning to Grand Prix. In Europe there are a lot of people who can and do bring horses along themselves and fewer people who just go out an buy a made one.

[suzy]

Not sure that’s true about Charlotte. I believe that Barolo is a horse she has been working with since he was a youngster, and she now has a gorgeous four year old, gray gelding with an “F” name; just can’t remember for sure the whole name. She also bought a yearling from one of the major stud farms in England not too long ago. There is a lot of luck involved when you get a young horse. It could have the best bloodlines and stellar movement but just not have the “right stuff” disposition wise to become a top FEI horse.

My brain jumped the tracks…I was thinking Charlotte Dujardin, not Jorst.

[Crockpot]

[QUOTE=suzy;8568925]
Not sure that’s true about Charlotte. I believe that Barolo is a horse she has been working with since he was a youngster, and she now has a gorgeous four year old, gray gelding with an “F” name; just can’t remember for sure the whole name. She also bought a yearling from one of the major stud farms in England not too long ago. There is a lot of luck involved when you get a young horse. It could have the best bloodlines and stellar movement but just not have the “right stuff” disposition wise to become a top FEI horse.

My brain jumped the tracks…I was thinking Charlotte Dujardin, not Jorst.[/QUOTE]

Yes wrong charlotte- you may want to delete that or more confusion will ensue :lol:

You wont find Charlotte DJ making this sort of blunder. Ever.

[rothmpp]

[QUOTE=atlatl;8568225]
Apparently, you missed the “let’s just say” bit, but whatever.

My admittedly limited observation/interaction over the course of a weekend was not consistent with someone who would be recommended to offer “lessons in manners” or lessons in consideration for or graciousness to others with respect to common areas in stabling or warm-up arenas as contrasted with other Olympians, specifically Hilda Gurney or Charlotte Bredahl.

In a nutshell; in my opinion, he is quite rude. Maybe he was having a bad couple of days, maybe not. Hilda Gurney had a horse fall on her and was back the next day, gracious as ever. She is my hero![/QUOTE]

And this is a great example of how one person’s interaction with a person can color your view of them forever. I scribed for Hilda for three days in a row and found her insufferable and rude - maybe not to the riders on the test, but definitely to some of the show staff. And I’ve been managing shows for years - I can coddle the most persnickety of judges and get them having a good time.