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#261

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7179216]
But it’s not working.

And for those of us who are “brash”, we’re not the public face of an industry under attack. This forum is PUBLIC. In other words, her opposition can see it.

See…just more excuses. How many people are willing to continue to throw a life preserver to someone who spits on you as soon as you get close because they don’t like the color/style of the life preserver?[/QUOTE]

But you are doing single handedly more damage to all of the horse industry than one outburst of Eva ever could.

But forgive me…for a moment I forgot you had all the answers! :lol:

nah, it’s ok. maybe we will all be dead by the time your selfcongratulatory back patting comes back to bite us.

I do feel a bit sorry for Eva though: She came here to COTH, in the hope to find some horse people to vent to and for a little support.
Too bad she had no idea that the forum is populated by a bunch of antis.

The picture becomes clearer…even under all this smoke and mirrors! :yes:

#262

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179110]
Right, I made a few suggestions on this thread for where I think time and resources could be better allocated (because as much as I love COTH, it is not the proper channel), and also explained why I voted the way I did, why I think normal people are “anti-carriage” (or at least think they are), but it seems like just ranting on COTH anytime something goes wrong and arguing with anyone who proposes a different call to action is the way the carriage folks

want it. The nastiness from both sides is really deplorable, as is the unwillingness to answer questions.

I have a lot of connections in the city that could help—lawyers, journos, activists, you name it, but alas…[/QUOTE]

This is the last time I spoke to you, a c&p from our FB PMs - you never answered either one, as you can see.

(Then at some point you unfriended me - which of course is totally fine, I do it myself sometimes…just pointing out that we have had no contact whatever.)

Conversation started January 11, 2012
1/11, 12:51am
Eva Hughes

nice to meet you, here's the page! http://www.facebook.com/groups/189608947802804/

March 15, 2012
3/15, 9:19am
Eva Hughes

Hello Laura - we have a taker for your couch! An artist friend of mine named Jael from Florida....I tagged you in the convo on my page....
#263

[QUOTE=michaleenflynn;7179237]
This is the last time I spoke to you, a c&p from our FB PMs - you never answered either one, as you can see.

(Then at some point you unfriended me - which of course is totally fine, I do it myself sometimes…just pointing out that we have had no contact whatever.)

Conversation started January 11, 2012
1/11, 12:51am
Eva Hughes

nice to meet you, here's the page! http://www.facebook.com/groups/189608947802804/

March 15, 2012
3/15, 9:19am
Eva Hughes

Hello Laura - we have a taker for your couch! An artist friend of mine named Jael from Florida....I tagged you in the convo on my page....[/QUOTE]

That’s nice and all but I don;t see the relevance to what you posted it in response to:

Originally Posted by Tha Ridge
Right, I made a few suggestions on this thread…

#264

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7179244]
That’s nice and all but I don;t see the relevance to what you posted it in response to:

Originally Posted by Tha Ridge
Right, I made a few suggestions on this thread… [/QUOTE]

It appears that, rather than try to convince Tha Ridge to help, it’s better to lob insults. Same old, same old. I guess it’s more important to be right.

#265

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7179244]
That’s nice and all but I don;t see the relevance to what you posted it in response to:

Originally Posted by Tha Ridge
Right, I made a few suggestions on this thread… [/QUOTE]

The relevance was to the poster’s comment that was in the same post that you are quoting, which I quoted in my first post of the two, wherein she intimated she could be helping us with her various connections. My post pointed out that in the two years since we have met, she has never offered those connections to us.

Here it is again:

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Quote Originally Posted by Tha Ridge View Post
I have a lot of connections in the city that could help—lawyers, journos, activists, you name it, but alas...

michaleenflynn

You have never offered those resources to me.

The last I heard from you was when you generously offered to host an out-of-town ClipClopper in your apartment sometime before March, 2012. That was the only time you had any interaction with any if us in the business to my knowledge, and you did not attend either the 2012 or 2013 ClipClop.

Also have not seen you on any carriage thread here on COTH, or on either of our FB pages since.
#266

[QUOTE=michaleenflynn;7179308]
The relevance was to the poster’s comment that was in the same post that you are quoting, which I quoted in my first post of the two, wherein she intimated she could be helping us with her various connections. My post pointed out that in the two years since we have met, she has never offered those connections to us.

Here it is again:

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Quote Originally Posted by Tha Ridge View Post
I have a lot of connections in the city that could help—lawyers, journos, activists, you name it, but alas...

michaleenflynn

You have never offered those resources to me.

The last I heard from you was when you generously offered to host an out-of-town ClipClopper in your apartment sometime before March, 2012. That was the only time you had any interaction with any if us in the business to my knowledge, and you did not attend either the 2012 or 2013 ClipClop.

Also have not seen you on any carriage thread here on COTH, or on either of our FB pages since.[/QUOTE]

S/he offered suggestions right here on COTH. On this thread you’re posting on.

Dragging whatever interaction… that appear to be 4 years old… you may/may not have had elsewhere here… and insisting that s/he did/did not follow up on whatever you’re copying & pasting from wherever… you haven’t addressed the suggestions s/he and others made, right here, this week…

Color me confused.

#267

[QUOTE=michaleenflynn;7179308]
The relevance was to the poster’s comment that was in the same post that you are quoting, which I quoted in my first post of the two, wherein she intimated she could be helping us with her various connections. My post pointed out that in the two years since we have met, she has never offered those connections to us.

Here it is again:

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Quote Originally Posted by Tha Ridge View Post
I have a lot of connections in the city that could help—lawyers, journos, activists, you name it, but alas...

michaleenflynn

You have never offered those resources to me.

The last I heard from you was when you generously offered to host an out-of-town ClipClopper in your apartment sometime before March, 2012. That was the only time you had any interaction with any if us in the business to my knowledge, and you did not attend either the 2012 or 2013 ClipClop.

Also have not seen you on any carriage thread here on COTH, or on either of our FB pages since.[/QUOTE]

Some just like to have the last word.
Go ahead, let them have it.:yes:

No need to keep raising to the baiting.
There is no end to all that will keep being brought up just for that.:no:

There is no dog in this fight for many, it is all just a fun internet game.:frowning:

#268

Mistyblue I just have to say this - I love you! Your posts here are clear, well thought out and say just what I was thinking.

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;7176266]

Now maybe he’ll also require pet shops to have sprinkler systems. Quinn never supported that bill in NYC. Which would save the lives of animals in pet shops when fires occur.[/QUOTE]
I missed where so many NYC pet stores were losing animals from all the fires in buildings with out up to date sprinkler systems. Hmmmm.

There is a part of me that wonders if you even understand how a sprinkler system works. It is not like on TV where the whole building gets drowned in water.

[QUOTE=MHM;7177628]
So is it true that Juliet was wearing another horse’s identification tags when she died?[/QUOTE]

Please do not take this wrong but what does it really matter if a horse was wearing the wrong halter?

I stopped at the boarding barn where one of my horse’s is to get some training and it took me several minutes to actually locate her halter. I am betting the horse whose stall I found it on wore it for turn out that day. I doubt it was for nefarious reasons that they were trying to pass their kind older gelding off as my b!tchy appy mare.

Pretty much everything we do, all of us, can be turned into a bad thing if looked at wanting to see a bad thing.

I just do not get why horse people are willing to support someone (or their group) who is trying to get rid of other horse people.

#269

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7179315]
S/he offered suggestions right here on COTH. On this thread you’re posting on.

Dragging whatever interaction… that appear to be 4 years old… you may/may not have had elsewhere here… and insisting that s/he did/did not follow up on whatever you’re copying & pasting from wherever… you haven’t addressed the suggestions s/he and others made, right here, this week…

Color me confused.[/QUOTE]

Color me confused too—and I’m the person in question!

Yes, we had briefly messaged via Facebook years ago. Yes, I defriended you (couldn’t stand the political posts). Yes, I do have connections that could help your cause, but like I said, before I volunteer them, I’d like to know some of the facts regarding some of the questions other users have posed on this very thread. I’m not going to drag acquaintances of mine into something like this without knowing all the facts.

#270

There was a fire in the Bronx in 2008 that killed dozens of animals. And one in Queens a couple years before that. In 2002, a fire in Inwood killed more than 200 animals. Need I go on? Do some homework.

Also, it sounds like you are the one who doesn’t know how fire suppression systems work. It is not like the movies, but they can and do save lives.

#271

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179355]
Color me confused too—and I’m the person in question!

Yes, we had briefly messaged via Facebook years ago. Yes, I defriended you (couldn’t stand the political posts). Yes, I do have connections that could help your cause, but like I said, before I volunteer them, I’d like to know some of the facts regarding some of the questions other users have posed on this very thread. I’m not going to drag acquaintances of mine into something like this without knowing all the facts.[/QUOTE]

That is like offering a carrot and then pulling it out of reach.

I would think, people honestly wanting to help would do their asking first, then offer the carrot, if they truly meant to do so, not play games with their offerings and then come tell about it all.:no:

Folks, you are not out there for years now, getting out every morning knowing it is you against the world.
These people are being run out of town without merit.

Lets not be a poor sport and keep adding to it by picking at all they do or don’t do when you really don’t want to help, unless it fits what you want.
This is serious business for those you are picking on, may ought to think about this a bit.

I will add, be careful what help you accept, because not all are really wanting to help where help is needed and some may be even trying to harm while saying they are there to help.

Be sure and vet any offered help, can’t afford not to, just as those offering help say they want to vet you before being oh so generous with their help.:wink:
That is just good business.

#272

See…just more excuses. How many people are willing to continue to throw a life preserver to someone who spits on you as soon as you get close because they don’t like the color/style of the life preserver?

This is an oxymoron.
People won’t be willing to help an entire industry because one person has offended them on an internet BB.
But it’s okay to withhold support and continue to participate in threads regarding something you refuse to support or help solely to continue an argument for the exact same reason that one person offended you.

[I]I don’t like you, so will not support the carriage industry.

You are foolish because you’re forcing me to not like you…which causes me to not care about helping carriage drivers.[/I]

You’re doing the same thing you’re accusing her of doing.

As for not willing to throw a life preserver to someone unpleasant/demanding/etc?
You still save the person’s life even if they are a pain in the arse.

#273

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179362]
There was a fire in the Bronx in 2008 that killed dozens of animals. And one in Queens a couple years before that. In 2002, a fire in Inwood killed more than 200 animals. Need I go on? Do some homework.

Also, it sounds like you are the one who doesn’t know how fire suppression systems work. It is not like the movies, but they can and do save lives.[/QUOTE]

I do know how they work. Thank you.

I think it is sad that animals or anything dies in a fire but…

#274

No, it’s not.

I’ve silently watched these threads for awhile and it always turns into this. I like the carriage horses. I want them to stay on my streets. As for the operators? Well, based on the interactions I’ve seen here, that’s a little more questionable.

#275

So. The horses.

They’re not abused. They’re not mistreated. There has been zero evidence of either taking place in NYC, despite the ASPCA trying very hard to find it. There are fewer traffic-related injuries and deaths regarding horses in NYC than there are in Amish Country. In fact, I bet there have been fewer traffic-related horse deaths in NYC in the past thirty years than there have been in Pennsylvania or Ohio in the past couple years.

The RARAs in NYC don’t have a leg to stand on, which is why they have to lie. And it’s sad.

#276

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179378]
No, it’s not.

I’ve silently watched these threads for awhile and it always turns into this. I like the carriage horses. I want them to stay on my streets. As for the operators? Well, based on the interactions I’ve seen here, that’s a little more questionable.[/QUOTE]

I have been in several boards of directors and you have to learn to get along to get something done.
My point was, if you don’t like the ones running it or how you have to work together, you quietly leave AND don’t go around running them down to any and all that wants to hear about it.:no:

#277

I’m probably pointing out the obvious here, but as for the opinions and attitudes of the carriage OPERATORS, I don’t believe we have any active, current drivers on this thread. They work long hours and spend much time tending their horses and families. What we have are people trying desperately to save their way of life.

So please, don’t be so quick to judge the drivers and operators because of friction with posters here.

#278

Anyway, let’s get back to actual useful ideas here.

As Angela Freda suggested on page 4 (or around there):

Seems to me the thing to do is have an event EVERY WEEKEND until January, with open doors and lots of media so that IF the Mayor does try to ban them, there are too many people who have been to the stables, and who’ve met the horses and drivers and seen with their own eyes and heard with their own ears the oversight that they are under… that when/if the mayor gets around to banning carriage horses after s/he’s dealt with all those other issues that are far more high profile and effect more people and are on everyone’s ‘what the mayor needs to do’ list… the uproar can be heard all the way up here in far, far upstate.

What’s the inevitable excuse for not doing that?

I mentioned how most people I know are anti-carriage because they just really don’t know any better.

But of course, there was some excuse about how those people have been bought out the RARAs or some bullshit. You really think my 30-something hipster/yuppie friends know anything about ARAs? You’re joking. Everyone I know who is not a horse person is lukewarm on the carriage horse issue. If pressed they might say, “oh, yeah, isn’t that hard on the horses?” But after five minutes of conversation with me explaining the lives of these horses, they’re fine with it.

THESE are the people who need to come to ClipClop. Not COTHers. Chic branding (e.g., a flyer not made in MS Word), send it off the Gothamist, EV Grieve, Bowery Boogie, the Lo-Down, etc. The issue here is PR—not that all of these people hate carriages or have been bought out by NYCLASS and are out to get you.

#279

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179396]
What’s the inevitable excuse for not doing that?

I mentioned how most people I know are anti-carriage because they just really don’t know any better.

But of course, there was some excuse about how those people have been bought out the RARAs or some bullshit.[/QUOTE]

It’s a good reminder from earlier in the thread, despite the thick layer of snide derision.

I do know that simply opening the stables every weekend is likely a sizeable undertaking, since the stables are targets of the RARAs and security would need to be provided. I’m not sure what kind of accommodations and funds the carriage association has for that sort of thing. But certainly, getting more people in would be a great idea.

I hope we can all continue to see past the attitude and down to the issue. Perhaps we can make a difference.

#280

[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179396]
Anyway, let’s get back to actual useful ideas here.

As Angela Freda suggested on page 4 (or around there):

What’s the inevitable excuse for not doing that?

I mentioned how most people I know are anti-carriage because they just really don’t know any better.

But of course, there was some excuse about how those people have been bought out the RARAs or some bullshit. You really think my 30-something hipster/yuppie friends know anything about ARAs? You’re joking. Everyone I know who is not a horse person is lukewarm on the carriage horse issue. If pressed they might say, “oh, yeah, isn’t that hard on the horses?” But after five minutes of conversation with me explaining the lives of these horses, they’re fine with it.

THESE are the people who need to come to ClipClop. Not COTHers. Chic branding (e.g., a flyer not made in MS Word), send it off the Gothamist, EV Grieve, Bowery Boogie, the Lo-Down, etc. The issue here is PR—not that all of these people hate carriages or have been bought out by NYCLASS and are out to get you.[/QUOTE]

I also asked what was available at the carriages to the patrons.
Right after they have enjoyed their ride is the prime time to introduce them to the idea that some people think they are abused and should not be doing what they do… hand out pamphlets with the info and directing the happy patrons to a website with the petition and other ways to help.
Get them to sign a petition right there in ink!

And hand out the info to passersby who might show interest in the horses… there is no such thing as bad press!

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