[QUOTE=Bluey;7179335]
Some just like to have the last word.
Go ahead, let them have it.:yes:
No need to keep raising to the baiting.
There is no end to all that will keep being brought up just for that.:no:
There is no dog in this fight for many, it is all just a fun internet game.:([/QUOTE]
Actually, I do think some have a dog in this fight. Or they are the dog in the fight for the puppet masters beyond the smokescreen.
This thread was posted as an announcement/update for those COTHers interested in ClipClopNYC '14. No suggestions were solicited. Those which were offered in a spirit of helpfulness and friendliness and concern were responded to and are being responded to with consideration and gratitude.
My posts that you are feigning to be confused about were in direct answer to that poster about her intimation that she could help us, but darnit, I went and told her that it made me wince that she wrote a paragraph about why she voted for a particular candidate, so the bee in the bonnet over that has set the tone ever since.
Answering your goal-post-moving faux questions is boring, and you may not have any more of my time on this.
I’m not quite sure what happened to you, as I have some fairly nice PMs from you from long ago (some of them interesting, btw 
), but you have turned into a time-wasting gadfly regarding the carriage threads, so I am putting you on ignore, along with a couple of others. Best way I can think of to preserve threads important to me, as much as is under my control, from becoming derailed - as seems to be the aim of 3 or 4 members each time.
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;7179374]
This is an oxymoron.
People won’t be willing to help an entire industry because one person has offended them on an internet BB.
But it’s okay to withhold support and continue to participate in threads regarding something you refuse to support or help solely to continue an argument for the exact same reason that one person offended you.
[I]I don’t like you, so will not support the carriage industry.
You are foolish because you’re forcing me to not like you…which causes me to not care about helping carriage drivers.[/I]
You’re doing the same thing you’re accusing her of doing.
As for not willing to throw a life preserver to someone unpleasant/demanding/etc?
You still save the person’s life even if they are a pain in the arse.[/QUOTE]
No, that’s not my point. My point is that offending potential supporters is stupid. That was my point.
Some of us are on the fence, some of use don’t think carriage horses belong on the streets of a large city, some of us aren’t entirely sure the whole business is squeaky clean, some of us are clearly on the side of the carriage horse owners.
But, what I’ve said, time and time again, that the nastiness is doing absolutely nothing to help your cause and it’s only hurting you. The failure to see that is STUPID.
As an aside, you really need to lose the “you’re with us or against us” mentality and put the pitchforks away. Just because someone doesn’t agree or asks awkward questions doesn’t mean they are E. Forel’s secret friend or a RARA.
Put the pitchforks away and be smart. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7179253]
It appears that, rather than try to convince Tha Ridge to help, it’s better to lob insults. Same old, same old. I guess it’s more important to be right.[/QUOTE]
Laura, before I finally and at long last put you on ignore, could you please tel me where the insults are in the posts you are referring to? (#256 & 260)
Thanx.
[QUOTE=michaleenflynn;7179500]
Laura, before I finally and at long last put you on ignore, could you please tel me where the insults are in the posts you are referring to? (#256 & 260)
Thanx.[/QUOTE]
Try rereading them. And then ask yourself, what was your intent? To prove her wrong and try to make her look like an asshat or to ask for help?
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7179503]
Try rereading them. And then ask yourself, what was your intent? To prove her wrong and try to make her look like an asshat or to ask for help?[/QUOTE]
Translation:
There really was no help forthcoming, but regardless you are a big mean poopy head to point it out in public…
Wasn’t that it?
:lol:
[QUOTE=Alagirl;7179507]
Translation:
There really was no help forthcoming, but regardless you are a big mean poopy head to point it out in public…
Wasn’t that it?
:lol:[/QUOTE]
There’s no help forthcoming? Yeah, right. I live in Manhattan. I work in journalism. I have a few friends in high places, and I made some legitimate, thoughtful suggestions in my last post that are thus far going ignored. There could 100% be help coming, but apparently it’s unwanted, as the only goal to this thread was to whine about ClipClop 2014 being postponed (for no good reason).
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7179503]
Try rereading them. And then ask yourself, what was your intent? To prove her wrong and try to make her look like an asshat or to ask for help?[/QUOTE]
My intent was to illustrate, in the wake of her nose being out of joint over a remark I made about ME being hurt by something SHE said, that after TWO YEARS of no contact and being a no-show at ClipClop 2 years running when she lives in the same city, she suddenly trots out all these many people she is connected to who could help us, but in her words, “…alas…”
IOW, the intent was to tell the truth.
Thanx for the non-answer. You’re on ignore now, so you can run wild and have a great time with your playing-both-ends-against-the-middle, schizophrenic, and irritating posts, without ever having to hear me again. Break out the bubbly! 
Tha, MHM, EVA, Laura you know what the most incredible aspect of this to long back and forth is ?
That it is allowed to happen and no matter your positions each are allowed to have a say to debate to engage each other.
You know where that is NOT allowed on the pages run by NoClass, Forel and WAR. Those people who as Tha Ridge described the 20 to 30 something year old hipsters stumble upon that page only hear one side of very filtered ,very structured story filled with emotional rhetoric and poof they now have an opinion without any fact or any rational middle ground.
I would lay a challenge to all of you that rather then waste time debating each other you use your obvious linguistic talents to take the fight to those people who in fact ARE going to hurt the horses.
We are on this board because of a mutual passion for horses of all kinds… start acting like it.
[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179515]
There’s no help forthcoming? Yeah, right. I live in Manhattan. I work in journalism. I have a few friends in high places, and I made some legitimate, thoughtful suggestions in my last post that are thus far going ignored. There could 100% be help coming, but apparently it’s unwanted, as the only goal to this thread was to whine about ClipClop 2014 being postponed (for no good reason).[/QUOTE]
We have been under the gun for a long time - last 2 years since I met you were crucial. You said you read the threads here on COTH, so you knew. You are OF COURSE not beholden to offer ANY help whatever, but why would you wait until this thread, post-percieved-slight, to say something like the statement I took issue with?
If you want to help, you will. No qualifiers. If you don’t (and you haven’t for 2 years), you won’t.
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;7179521]
Tha, MHM, EVA, Laura you know what the most incredible aspect of this to long back and forth is ?
That it is allowed to happen and no matter your positions each are allowed to have a say to debate to engage each other.
You know where that is NOT allowed on the pages run by NoClass, Forel and WAR. Those people who as Tha Ridge described the 20 to 30 something year old hipsters stumble upon that page only hear one side of very filtered ,very structured story filled with emotional rhetoric and poof they now have an opinion without any fact or any rational middle ground.
I would lay a challenge to all of you that rather then waste time debating each other you use your obvious linguistic talents to take the fight to those people who in fact ARE going to hurt the horses.
We are on this board because of a mutual passion for horses of all kinds… start acting like it.[/QUOTE]
I did. I’m banned. I agree, the Forel crowd is nuts, crazy, whatever word you want to use to describe them.
But, since clearly being right is the most important item on the agenda, then you win. You’re right.
[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;7179515]
There’s no help forthcoming? Yeah, right. I live in Manhattan. I work in journalism. I have a few friends in high places, and I made some legitimate, thoughtful suggestions in my last post that are thus far going ignored. There could 100% be help coming, but apparently it’s unwanted, as the only goal to this thread was to whine about ClipClop 2014 being postponed (for no good reason).[/QUOTE]
I would like to hear your suggestions as I missed them somewhere along the line. thanks!
[QUOTE=michaleenflynn;7179519]
My intent was to illustrate, in the wake of her nose being out of joint over a remark I made about ME being hurt by something SHE said, that after TWO YEARS of no contact and being a no-show at ClipClop 2 years running when she lives in the same city, she suddenly trots out all these many people she is connected to who could help us, but in her words, “…alas…”
IOW, the intent was to tell the truth.
Thanx for the non-answer. You’re on ignore now, so you can run wild and have a great time with your playing-both-ends-against-the-middle, schizophrenic, and irritating posts, without ever having to hear me again. Break out the bubbly! :)[/QUOTE]
While putting people on ignore seems sensible at times, in the end that doesn’t do anything for the ignorer but put them out of circulation.
Most eventually have to reinstate posters to be able to follow threads of interest.
Better learn to ignore people ourselves, use some willpower, sit on your fingers, scroll thru posts you know are just there to irritate and get a rise out of who they target.:yes:
To ignore in person by not responding seems more effective to get a point across than to use the ignore feature and be blind yourself, while everyone else keeps on keeping on.
Just more to think over.
The NY carriage threads for me, personally, have moved from concern to hilarity.
Not the issue itself, but what invariably happens to these here on COTH. I mean, it is hilarious: it’s largely the same people, writing looong paragraphs, bringing up years-old threads (4 yrs? OMG!), rehashing the same arguments over and over, accusing each other of being controlled by the actual principals in NY, conspiracy theories abound…
I kind of wonder - why bother? For both sides really. For the carriage side, why engage/fight posters here? COTH isn’t voting in the NY mayoral race, so why put so much energy into rehashing the same points with the same people in umpteenth number of threads? For the other side…ditto, but from my perspective the other side is probably doing it partly for kicks shrug Arguing on the internet can be a bit of a hobby.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7178254]
Yes it does, and was in reference to Nazi occupied territories. Again, highly inappropriate to equate banning carriage horses or even the attempted confiscation of carriage horses to the Holocaust.[/QUOTE]
Ok, you apparently can’t grasp what I am trying too convey, so I will change the verbage.
First they came for the Rodeo, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not into Rodeo.
Then they came for the 3-Day Eventers, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a 3- Day Eventer.
Then they came for the Gaited Horses, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not into Gaited Horses.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
Carriage Rides, Pony Rides, Hack Rides, Western Pleasure, H/J, Halter, Endurance, Etc…
^ Can you now understand? LauraKY, got it the gist by any chance?
[QUOTE=TheBarnRules;7176124]
ClipClopNYC '14 is officially on hold.
What would have been the NYC carriage industry’s third annual event in March 2014 is now in jeopardy of not happening as scheduled, as we must instead put all of our efforts into fighting for our very right to exist.
Background: Deep-pocketed businessmen with an agenda have bought and paid for the NYC mayoral and city council candidates, so that they will do their bidding and outlaw the horse drawn carriages at Central Park, a 150 year old tradition.
These efforts were bolstered financially by the ASPCA, HSUS, and PETA. Small groups of radical animal rights activists have consistently stirred this pot at a local level.
What this means is that our wonderful ClipClopNYC — an event attended by over 500 people from a dozen states over the last two years, an event formally recognized by Mayor Bloomberg and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, an event which has raised over $13,000 total for Blue Star Equiculture and the wonderful work that organization does for working horses — will now, from necessity, be put on indefinite hold.
So, the efforts of those who wish to see us gone not only will put 200+ working horses out of their good homes and jobs, and into the at-risk population, but now have hindered our efforts to help folks like BSE who help other horses.
But we are not defeated - not by a long shot.
We are working ceaselessly on our defense - and we will be victorious.
ClipClopNYC is simply postponed, not canceled – we will be back to educate and delight all who are interested in us, and do our best to give back to the horses who have given us so much.
Stay tuned.
Thank you,
Eva Hughes
VP Horse & Carriage Association of NYC
carriageassocnyc@aol.com[/QUOTE]
From my reading of this, there are not resources to hold this event?
But no one has banned, denied or blocked your holding it, correct?
So is the defense is now -what? A legal motion to stop the refusal to license?
Or??
If you are asking for people to get behind you, some might want to know where you are going…
Lead on.
Originally Posted by LauraKY
Yes it does, and was in reference to Nazi occupied territories. Again, highly inappropriate to equate banning carriage horses or even the attempted confiscation of carriage horses to the Holocaust.
You are clearly not a student of history pertaining to WWI and WWII. Alot more ethinic groups, disabled, retarded, gypies were done away with long before the assualt on Jews.
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;7179706]
From my reading of this, there are not resources to hold this event?
But no one has banned, denied or blocked your holding it, correct?
So is the defense is now -what? A legal motion to stop the refusal to license?
Or??
If you are asking for people to get behind you, some might want to know where you are going…
Lead on.[/QUOTE]
I think the ones in charge indicated that they can’t quite tell much because those that would then try to throw a wrench in whatever is intended are reading here.
That is why this thread was mostly to give notice to those interested not to make plans for the event, as it was cancelled, nothing more or less, although the thread took a life of it’s own after that.
This would make a very good press release -with some photos of happy customers in carriages, photos in the stable, etc.
I think it is important to get the word out to the un-informed and the dis-informed.
Think of those who only see the carriage horses as relics of a bygone era: How can you inform them of the importance of continuing this business in NY?
And how much revenue does the city recieve from the industry? Are you advertised/spotlighted in tourist mags, etc. of the ‘big Apple’?
present it from a perception of ‘interacting with animals’, a respite from the insane pace of modern urban life, Central park is also valuable real estate, but without the PARK, NY would be poor beyond measuring.
That is how to place your business- on the intangibles of value to humanity.
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