Colvin Civil Suit

[poltroon]

[QUOTE=CHT;8304183]
No, it isn’t illegal. It is against the rules of showing. Nobody is getting arrested for using a calming supplement like PP.

But people have posted previously that this is abuse, and I am curious of many feel that way, or just feel that it is cheating.[/QUOTE]

Many of these substances are potentially dangerous to the horse (dex can cause horses to founder; magnesium can kill it) or indirectly dangerous when you take an impaired horse over a course of jumps.

Even sticking a horse with a lot of needles unnecessarily isn’t good for it.

[alittlegray]

It is also too bad this poor horse has had his veins collapsed by all the injections - I know how that feels and now I’ve even gone beyond temporary central lines to a permanent port in my chest because all my veins were blown by injections of pain meds and a certain nausea drug that burns.

I completely believe BC when she says that you need to avoid certain veins because they are no good, it’s just that they are gone because of what they have been putting IN to the horse, not from repeated drug testing. The injections are what destroy the veins and the valves in the veins rendering them useless.

That is incriminating in itself, that she knows which veins are blown and can’t be used. Poor Inclusive. I bet he is a great athlete without the downers.

[bamboopole]

Certainly would save the horse shows a lot of money if shows went to FEI med rules, or a variation of racing rules. No SHARPS containers to buy, to get replaced and pay biohazard disposal.
The grooms would not dread loading the Meds trunk
Would veterinarians then be nicking away so not a nerve on the show grounds would be left intact?

[KatInHat31]

I haven’t read all the pages, but did watch the online from HITS today. How is it that Inclusive can compete with the charge against him? I thought all horses by owner are banned from competition.

[KatInHat31]

Also, wouldn’t this just completely go away if it was mandatory testing for the top 8 -10 of every class? You’re already paying out the nose now for all the med fees. I think it’s only fair to always test the top horses every class.

[SaddleFitterVA]

So, playing catch up here…

Is this the BP that owns many of the horses that VC rides?

http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/parker-purchases-farmer-s-delight-helps-preserve-historic-property/article_7832c774-5147-11e3-9bdb-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm

An Episcopal minister and widow of philanthropist (according to that article)?

As for the age of 17 being a “child” it is very common for the criminal justice system to punish 17 year olds as adults, and that is usually reserved for the most serious crimes. The young man who was sucked into ISIS/ISIL was 17, and he was given something like a 15 year sentence. Please note, I am not comparing becoming a member of a terrorist regime with drugging horses to win horse shows, it is merely an example that was in the news last week of a person being sentenced as an adult, when the crime was committed as a 17 year old.

[Horseshowaddict]

[QUOTE=poltroon;8304366]

Even sticking a horse with a lot of needles unnecessarily isn’t good for it.[/QUOTE]

This…

[DMK]

Saddlefitter, yes, same BP. She owns many/most of the hunters TC rides, not the jumpers or eq horses.

[supershorty628]

^Eq horses too.

[KatInHat31]

Really hope Inclusive is tested this morning! Should be an automatic test all things considering!

[EAY]

[QUOTE=supernatural;8303414]
California split run at Upperville in Large Junior Hunters instead of by age …younger and olders even though entries there to split by age. Exhibitors told by ingate woman the judges wanted a California Split. There were a lot of unhappy people before the Junior Division even began and the ingatevwoman at that ring was beyond rude.[/QUOTE]

Did anyone ever explain why they split it like this? Were there not enough youngers to fill the division?

[Ghazzu]

[QUOTE=dp1092;8304350]

It’s sad to think that this was a horse a lot of people liked. His jumping style is very classic, head between his knees, makes a fabulous effort at every jump. But from here on out, it will be hard to watch him without questioning if he was given something prior to entering the ring. I know none of Betsee’s other horses are involved, however, it will be hard to not to watch any of them and wonder if any of those mounts were administered something prior to them entering the ring as well. :no:[/QUOTE]

do we really know that, though?

[supernatural]

Upperville

[QUOTE=EAY;8304541]
Did anyone ever explain why they split it like this? Were there not enough youngers to fill the division?[/QUOTE]

There were enough to split by age. A horse was added PRIOR to the Large Junior section starting to ensure division split…office personnel happy it was being split…when several trainers went to ingate…woman running the ingate said it didn’t matter…that the judges wanted a California Split. When one trainer said to her they did not think it was fair to the youngers since there were now at least 6 in each section the gate woman replied…“You just need to suck it up and compete against VC…”

Pretty much drama all day at Junior Ring…Small Juniors got combined because of clerical error…Woman working at ingate beyond rude to several trainers.

One younger would have been champion had division been split properly…quite possibly grand junior. I think people were so angry after the small juniors went they just threw their hands up in the air. It was wrong…wrong…steward at jumper ring by time they got to Hunter 1 ring…large combined started.

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8304215]
I think it is about the very rich. … In addition, if someone were to come down hard on her, she almost certainly has the funds needed to hire a good lawyer and fight any charges, etc. Not so for the small owner necessarily.[/QUOTE]

Yes, having the means to fund a good lawyer, after the fact, is helpful.

It’s the intent that’s the primary point.
The intent - to affect the performance of a show horse through drugging - is the same, no matter how much money the owner has.

[Peggy]

[QUOTE=handwalk;8304395]
Certainly would save the horse shows a lot of money if shows went to FEI med rules, or a variation of racing rules. No SHARPS containers to buy, to get replaced and pay biohazard disposal.
The grooms would not dread loading the Meds trunk
Would veterinarians then be nicking away so not a nerve on the show grounds would be left intact?[/QUOTE]my understanding is that nerving is more prevalent in Europe where you have to compete under FEI med protocol. I had a conversation with a person who had recently moved from Europe a couple of years ago and the impression I got was that routine analgesic use for the essentially sound horses (everything getting some banamine at night) was obviously not done, but there were tricks that could be employed for the slightly gimpy ones.

[vineyridge]

If we’re talking nerving the feet, it’s illegal in the FEI to compete a nerved horse. They test for both hypo and hyper sensitivity of the legs.

[nutmeg]

Nerving nowadays is a lot more subtle than it used to be. Peggy is on the right track IMHO as far as Europe is concerned. The Americans are certainly not far behind.

[hoopoe]

[QUOTE=KatInHat31;8304412]
Also, wouldn’t this just completely go away if it was mandatory testing for the top 8 -10 of every class? You’re already paying out the nose now for all the med fees. I think it’s only fair to always test the top horses every class.[/QUOTE]

Really $8 per show drug fee is paying through the nose?

How much do you think it costs to draw and run all these screening tests you are proposing?

[mvp]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8300730]
lol. I already said exactly that.[/QUOTE]

But what neither of you said was that Betsee Parker’s degree is honorary. http://www.albany.edu/academics/honorary.degree.shtml

I don’t think anyone, other than Sheila Johnson, actually used the title. Johnson’s biography says she has two such degrees, one is also from SUNY Morrisville.

I think these have to do with financial giving.

[Davignport]

I have to say it takes some set of balls to go to HITS and compete as if nothing is wrong. I guess it is just another “photo op” for the dreadful Dr. Parker. As for Tori, yes she is a child but, come on, with what has been going on, why even be there? The horse has won EVERYTHING he possibly can. Is one more ribbon and winners photo worth that much of your integrity? Makes you wonder about all those great round Tori and Inclusive had, doesn’t it? Makes me sick, the whole bunch of them. Just get out…