[QUOTE=m&m;8310714]
And what is this about sharps containers on the showgrounds? Is this a real thing?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, down every aisle. And usually overflowing.
Except at rated day shows where you sometimes get to just dodge them laying all over the ground around where trailers were/are parked. Gross.
[QUOTE=vxf111;8310748]
Yeah, down every aisle. And usually overflowing. [/QUOTE]
This blows my mind. And should seriously blow the mind of EVERY publication and every horse owner and every parent and every child rider.
Horse shows are REQUIRED BY USEF to have sharps containers in the barns, and the steward’s report has to say whether the show did or not.
[QUOTE=m&m;8310714]
And what is this about sharps containers on the showgrounds? Is this a real thing?[/QUOTE]
It’s a USEF requirement that you have one!! What does that say about the whole mess?
[QUOTE=wesierobb;8310828]
Horse shows are REQUIRED BY USEF to have sharps containers in the barns, and the steward’s report has to say whether the show did or not.[/QUOTE]
I think that’s the point. That’s how bad the drugging is AND that’s how supportive of drugging and excessive drugging is the USEF AND that’s how little true horse welfare is considered by the USEF.
There have got to be people here involved in all kinds of other sports and athletics, whether human athletes or dogs, for instance, which would be a lot: top-tier national hunting trials, field trials, beagling, herding stuff, Schutzhund, Ringsport, Agility, Obedience, Rally…whatever else there is. Can any of you imagine sharps containers being REQUIRED at any of these events?
There are legal injectibles. Banamine, Legend, Adequan, etc. It would be far worse to have no proper way to dispose of needles. The fact that the containers may be filled to overflowing is another issue.
Sharps containers are required by cities and counties and states at most city, county or state owned facilities that host any type event. There are legitimate reasons to need safe needle disposal receptacles for humans, horses and I imagine dogs or whatever other species uses the facility. Thats a diversion from the actual problem of how many needles may be disposed in them and how much of what was in them.
Poor horses. Poor, poor horses. That’s all I can say. “We NEED to inject, inject, inject.” Whether legal or not it’s entirely out of hand and the animals are suffering and nobody gives a s***.
This makes me sick. I never realized how many horses out there are doped up on who knows what drugs in the show ring until all these doping cases came to light. When I had my horse I NEVER drugged him, never even thought about it. He was always natural. Was he spooky? Yup. did he have times that he was fresh? Yes, he sure did. I learned to deal with it. When he was fresh I rode him until he was calm. I rode through his spooks. That’s what I thought a rider should do. Learn to ride and deal! Not pump the horse up with drugs until they look like they were at a bar drinking all night.
I remember boarding at a show barn when I was young. They did A rated shows. Back then I was clueless about drugging horses. I was in the barn isle one day and the owner was prepping a horse for his owner. She gave him a needle and I asked what she was giving the horse. Her response was something like “something to calm him down”. The thought never crossed my mind what she was doing. Looking back I realize that I was probably the only one that didn’t drug my horse. If I had known this I would’ve left the barn sooner!
[QUOTE=Goldie locks;8310367]
Sorry but this is cheating EQ, Jumpers, Hunters - whatever!!! If you can’t train it, ride it or show it without all that junk then don’t!
It’s a “fast food” society and all it is about is short-cuts and blue ribbons!
What has horsemanship become - who can PREP the best???
Sickening!!![/QUOTE]
Calm down there goldilocks…I was simply trying to find a positive for a jr. Rider who has been pressured and let down by the adults in her life. I was in no way saying I approved of drugging equitation horses. Given that her eq horses are well known, have a history of stellar performances, and have never tested positive, I think it’s okay to say that just perhaps, Ms. Colvin can remain proud of her equitation achievements.
[QUOTE=jr;8310931]
Given that her eq horses are well known, have a history of stellar performances, and have never tested positive, I think it’s okay to say that just perhaps, Ms. Colvin can remain proud of her equitation achievements.[/QUOTE]
Inclusive is well known, has a history of stellar performances and until recently had never tested positive either. And that’s where the doubt about her prior wins comes in. We will never know for sure. But Tori and Brigid both knew what was going on and chose to continue on with those people so I don’t think Tori has much to be proud of under the circumstances. And I don’t buy the excuse that she is “only a kid.” She is as much a pro as any of the adults out there except for her age.
Well, I don’t show in the upper levels, I am currently very small potatoes indeed as I try to teach riding (not perching) ,safety, horsemanship that comes with the love and regard for the horse. I may not be part of the in crowd and what I earn is probably laughable to the BNT but I can look at myself in the mirror and eveynight I sleep with a clear conscience. I have a feeling that many here can too. There is no level playing field when money is involved.And USEF and USHJA are just the conduit for the dollars.
[QUOTE=omare;8310607]
There seems to be two different things being talked about: violating the rules and violating the rules to the extent that it amounts to horse abuse. The former is not necessarily inclusive of the latter.[/QUOTE]
Not convinced that the distinction made is worth making. However, both are cheating.
yes --where did i suggest it was not cheating-- the distinction is worth making as the word horse abuse seems to be flying around a lot on this thread as if all “cheating” involves horse abuse.
[QUOTE=BAC;8310955]
Inclusive is well known, has a history of stellar performances and until recently had never tested positive either. And that’s where the doubt about her prior wins comes in. We will never know for sure. But Tori and Brigid both knew what was going on and chose to continue on with those people so I don’t think Tori has much to be proud of under the circumstances. And I don’t buy the excuse that she is “only a kid.” She is as much a pro as any of the adults out there except for her age.[/QUOTE]
I know that you are well versed in what is happening and I appreciate your candid opinion.
I really have enjoyed watching (on line) T. Colvin ride. Such a talented young person. I hope, when she reaches maturity, that she will be able to strike out on her own and leave her current connections behind. Here is hope that she is only trapped in a very difficult position between her mother Brigid and her benefactor Betsee Parker.
When one has such talent, it is probably easier to leave the benefactor behind, there most likely will be another.
Overcoming the influence of MOM is difficult. It can be done though, and seems to be a much needed choice in this case.
You can still love your mom, while at the same time insisting that she limit her devotion to your career to cheering you on from the stands.
[QUOTE=Anne FS;8310887]
Poor horses. Poor, poor horses. That’s all I can say. “We NEED to inject, inject, inject.” Whether legal or not it’s entirely out of hand and the animals are suffering and nobody gives a s***.[/QUOTE]
You must be reading a different forum than I am…
Clearly people care. That is why there are endless threads on the topic right now. Lots of people care.
PS, just because it is injected does not mean it is bad.
She has the ability to ride very well, and has been successful in competition. However that is only one dimension of our life with horses. Despite her many championships, she has not met the standard of a true horsewoman, which includes personal integrity and the principles regarding the welfare of the horse.
[QUOTE=jr;8310931]
I think it’s okay to say that just perhaps, Ms. Colvin can remain proud of her equitation achievements.[/QUOTE]
As long as the horse was sober when she won…otherwise not a lot to be proud of. 
[QUOTE=Mardi;8311689]
As long as the horse was sober when she won…otherwise not a lot to be proud of. :([/QUOTE]
Very true. I highly doubt she won on sober horses though. I hope that she won some of her championships on a sober horse but I doubt it.
[QUOTE=Secret Dove;8311732]
Very true. I highly doubt she won on sober horses though. I hope that she won some of her championships on a sober horse but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that even if they were all sober and it wasn’t #9tubapoluzza we will never know, and so there will be doubt about it, and now her. The “False Fairytales” title was so true.
I’d really like to see the Betsee Parker affidavit…
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