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Clarify?[/QUOTE]
Someone can do 50 shows in a year if they want to, but only the best 15 of those shows will count for Devon and Indoors. So it’s more a question of quality horses who can get the most points within a finite number of shows, and less a question of who will drive the horse trailer to the most shows that year.
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Maybe the qualifications need to be changed to limit the number of shows to accumulate points.
Shows used to be a special occasion, not a lifestyle…[/QUOTE]
I think the two of you are talking about two different things. My interpretation is that hb is saying that you get X number of shows to accumulate points starting 01Dec of any given year. If you choose to continue showing after you attend X number of shows, that’s fine, but those points won’t count for anything.
Lord Helpus is describing something different: you can show as many times as you can cram into your schedule for the year, and we’ll take the best 15 of those shows, no matter how many you went to. This is the option that was tried; I’m not sure what kind of person thought this would have an impact on the way anyone is managing their horses.
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I’m not sure what kind of person thought this would have an impact on the way anyone is managing their horses.[/QUOTE]
The kind of person who makes a living running shows, I suspect.
I found an interesting article that quotes, Julie Winkle, who at the time the article was written 2012, was a chairman on the USHJA committee. In the article she states that, “The judging criteria needs to change. Stop rewarding the horses for robotic conformity.”
www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/us/ponys-death-draws-notice-to-drugs-in-show-ring.html
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Someone can do 50 shows in a year if they want to, but only the best 15 of those shows will count for Devon and Indoors. So it’s more a question of quality horses who can get the most points within a finite number of shows, and less a question of who will drive the horse trailer to the most shows that year.[/QUOTE]
IMO this rule began the demise of the smaller quaint single A shows. Everyone wants to go AA shows so they can get as many points as possible from each show. It actually applies to people who genuinely care about their horses and don’t want to show too much. Let’s say Sally wants to qualify to Devon and indoors but is concerned about showing her horse or horses too much. The most efficient way to earn points is to only attend AA shows. It’s kinda sad. I don’t have a solution and admit I’m part of the problem (I choose like Sally).
It’s interesting that Dr Parker, the Colvins,etc who have been blasted(and I understand why) in this forum don’t show in that many shows.
I checked 4 of their winners for the past year. Inclusive showed 12 times, Ovation 14, Canadian blue 13 & Clearway 18.
Maybe those horses aren’t suffering as much as everyone believes?
[QUOTE=ynl063w;8319208]
I think the two of you are talking about two different things. My interpretation is that hb is saying that you get X number of shows to accumulate points starting 01Dec of any given year. If you choose to continue showing after you attend X number of shows, that’s fine, but those points won’t count for anything. [/QUOTE]
Or you could have to declare your 15 shows that count before the start of the season, that way you could show more than 15 times but the results are only counted for the ones previously declared. I suppose trying to keep track of the declared shows would be a nightmare task though.
No, because if the horse got hurt and needed to scratch a few of the declared shows, youd be done for the year as far as Finals or year end awards. Or there would be a push to get it back ASAP using whatever it takes instead if letting it heal properly.
Cant punish people for letting an injured horse heal or dealing with other real life issues that mean missing a few shows that didnt show up in the crystal ball before the show year started.
I believe there was oral argument on Colvin’s temporary stay this morning. We should find out soon if Brigid will be able to attend indoors…
COTH, update please??
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IMO this rule began the demise of the smaller quaint single A shows. Everyone wants to go AA shows so they can get as many points as possible from each show. It actually applies to people who genuinely care about their horses and don’t want to show too much. Let’s say Sally wants to qualify to Devon and indoors but is concerned about showing her horse or horses too much. The most efficient way to earn points is to only attend AA shows. It’s kinda sad. I don’t have a solution and admit I’m part of the problem (I choose like Sally).
It’s interesting that Dr Parker, the Colvins,etc who have been blasted(and I understand why) in this forum don’t show in that many shows.
I checked 4 of their winners for the past year. Inclusive showed 12 times, Ovation 14, Canadian blue 13 & Clearway 18.
Maybe those horses aren’t suffering as much as everyone believes?[/QUOTE]
Wow, by my calculations, that means an annual drug budget of $8100/year just for Inclusive’s Perfect Prep alone! $25/tube x 9 tubes x 3 days of showing x 12 times a year. No wonder they don’t show him more! Wait I’m forgetting to factor in the cost of the Gaba and the custom vetrinary paste! And I guess I’m not figuring in the cost of the four girls who administer substances. And then there is Tori’s illicit bacon. I give up.
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Could you please post a link to the article?[/QUOTE]
It hasn’t been pulled out into a separate article on the CotH site, but it (“So You Say You Want a Hunter Revolution”) starts on page 66 here:
[QUOTE=MHM;8319201]
Someone can do 50 shows in a year if they want to, but only the best 15 of those shows will count for Devon and Indoors. So it’s more a question of quality horses who can get the most points within a finite number of shows, and less a question of who will drive the horse trailer to the most shows that year.[/QUOTE]
Except that the number of shows isn’t finite. If you bomb fifteen shows, you can show fifteen more times to improve your points. They take your 15 best so unless you win every blue every time time out, there is an incentive to show more because then you might have a better show that knocks one of your other ones out from your “15 best”.
You’re right F8, declaring shows in advance won’t work.
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You’re right F8, declaring shows in advance won’t work.[/QUOTE]
However, something like the best 15 of the first 20 or 25 shows - would work. Just look at the dates of the shows and take the best 15 results of the first 20/25 shows.
The owners can choose to keep showing after 20/25 shows but it won’t be because they are chasing for more qualifying points.
Who chooses the Trainer? Who participates in the decision of the rider, the stable, the program, the horse shows to enter, who pays the bills? Who is responsible for the horse - THE OWNER. Can you imagine if in this case all the charges were found to be true and the Owner was found responsible and set down? Do you think other trainers would take the chance with their owners. The choose the Trainer, I believe responsible for all the results not just the ribbons.
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Wow, by my calculations, that means an annual drug budget of $8100/year just for Inclusive’s Perfect Prep alone! $25/tube x 9 tubes x 3 days of showing x 12 times a year. No wonder they don’t show him more! Wait I’m forgetting to factor in the cost of the Gaba and the custom vetrinary paste! And I guess I’m not figuring in the cost of the four girls who administer substances. And then there is Tori’s illicit bacon. I give up.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, the 9tubeapollooza was a combination of PP and lactanase. Not sure how the price of lactanase compares to PP, but likely not an insignificant sum to those of us who work for a living.
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IIRC, the 9tubeapollooza was a combination of PP and lactanase. Not sure how the price of lactanase compares to PP, but likely not an insignificant sum to those of us who work for a living.[/QUOTE]
But mere pocket change to the people like Betsee Parker.
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But mere pocket change to the people like Betsee Parker.[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps her trainers get a bulk volume discount.
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;8320644]
Or perhaps her trainers get a bulk volume discount.[/QUOTE]
Ouch. And that’s not directed at you, Ghazzu.
Just got my In Stride with the article and picture of TC winning the Hunterdon Cup. Really is a mockery.
Yes, everyone gets excited about the USEF fines, etc but then the same offenders get awards afterwards, nice articles about horsemanship, weepy stories about rags to riches, hard working riders, etc. It’s pure entertainment value, that is all until the next offender makes it to the news.
