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caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

[QUOTE=deltawave;4944053]
So because there are adverse reactions to vaccinations, that means vaccinations should be done away with? Sure would be nice to do away with the diseases themselves, wouldn’t it? Life isn’t fair. Sht happens. Give me the best odds I can get, for me and mine. And when I’m the one responsible for deciding, please give me the best information available, from the best minds, and the largest pool of evidence. Of course when one fundamentally rejects science, one has the luxury of substituting belief for knowledge freely and randomly. God help the ones that rely on these decision-makers when the sht hits the fan. Ever watched a kid or a horse die from a 100% preventable disease? :no: :sigh: I have.[/QUOTE] Let’s overreact and put words into other’s posts. No one here has said do away with vaccines. No one has discarded ‘fundamental science’ … but just as much as there are those who are not taking what the FDA hands out on the platters, there are as many who are sloppin’ up the garbage they hand out on a regular basis in the name of politics and money.

So, who’s right? who’s wrong?

Wanna get into politics and economics here? We can do that, too, ya know. It’s all intertwined.

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

What!? You always scream about references. So, its called efficiency – why type out by hand when copy and paste works the best? Figured that way you can take up your argument with the original authors.

And you take great pride in not having any of the actual sources, don’t you? What does your own synthesis of the information you vomit forth tell you? Because surely someone who purports to always be on the search for the TRUTH looks at ALL sides of the issue, no?
No, no pride in not having actual sources. Simply reading on the fly. No ‘highlighter’ on the computer.

All sides? Well, Delta – maybe you might try that, too, with some objective thinking.

Thomas_1 · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

X ray vision! Nah not really!

What makes me so sure is the fact that I’m not quite so stupid as some and I am actually able to recognise a healthy horse.

But if you’d like to hang on and I’ll call the vet and get a post mortem done right away.

DUHHHH

Or should I just wait till they die and have it done then to save me killing them to further your “research”.

Problem though… you may have a long wait. Mine tend to live pretty long and healthy lives.

Probably something to do with that vaccinosisitisismywhatsitmejig!

Seriously I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that you really are a little … erm… well … let’s say needy in the brain cell department.

For certain you need a logic transplant!

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;4944124]
X ray vision! Nah not really!

What makes me so sure is the fact that I’m not quite so stupid as some and I am actually able to recognise a healthy horse.

But if you’d like to hang on and I’ll call the vet and get a post mortem done right away.

DUHHHH

Or should I just wait till they die and have it done then to save me killing them to further your “research”.

Problem though… you may have a long wait. Mine tend to live pretty long and healthy lives.

Probably something to do with that vaccinosisitisismywhatsitmejig!

Seriously I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that you really are a little … erm… well … let’s say needy in the brain cell department.

For certain you need a logic transplant![/QUOTE]

Such nice things you say, Thomas! Keep on whispering in my ears and I’ll follow you anywhere … SMOOCH

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

OK, I’m done doing other peoples’ “stuff”. I have to go to work.

If anyone wants to look up and read on their own about all this an excellent reference with hundreds of veterinary and medical references, statements, papers, articles, etc. simply go here:

http://www.shirleyswellnesscafe.com

Those who are spouting off to me about ME being closed minded and stolidly saying that I’m spouting garbage – prove yourselves to be open minded and able to think on your own by actually reading some of the articles, reports, findings, etc there and let’s discuss them in a mature, objective manner without the personal innuendos! Bullying and name calling really are just not very flattering or persuasive nor encouraging to intelligent discussions.

Thomas_1 · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

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OK, I’m done doing other peoples’ “stuff”. I have to go to work.

If anyone wants to look up and read on their own about all this an excellent reference with hundreds of veterinary and medical references, statements, papers, articles, etc. simply go here:

http://www.shirleyswellnesscafe.com[/QUOTE]

Fantastic unbiased and scientific reference source hey… :lol:

And from that site

“I was once a victim of the never-ending flow of propaganda from the medical establishment - which I think of as the “disease” establishment because they focus on disease rather than on prevention and wellness. The orthodox medical establishment wants to maintain a monopoly on the word “cure”; they want us to believe that we have no control over our own health and that our only hope to get “well” is with drugs, surgery and radiation. In the story of my Journey Into Health I explain how I achieved radiant health without drugs, surgery or radiation.” Shirley

Those who are spouting off to me about ME being closed minded and stolidly saying that I’m spouting garbage – prove yourselves to be open minded and able to think on your own by actually reading some of the articles, reports, findings, etc there and let’s discuss them in a mature, objective manner without the personal innuendos!
I did the former and tried at the latter but your postings with the junk science and silly flawed logic and coupled with your passive aggressive snides sort of led me to something much more frank and honest.

Bullying and name calling really are just not very flattering or persuasive nor encouraging to intelligent discussions.
You think that’s what your problem is? You feel bullied by a bunch of strangers with no physical or fiscal presence. It’s that which drives you to Shirley’s Wellness Cafe for solace and information.

Ah well, personally speaking I’d recommend a regular mental health care professional but whatever turns you on and works for you.

MistyBlue · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

Most recently: Son’s 3 year old bitch (family dog) was vaccinated with Rabies and Distemper plus given Flea/Tick repellent in pill form. About 10 days later dog refused to eat. Had trouble drinking. 4 days later, attacked her ‘best friend’, another family canine member, mauled him to death. During the following week was hypersensitive to touch, noise, light and trembled non-stop, ‘hiding’ in bathroom, under beds, in closets. Was reported to vet (who also tended fatal wounds of other dog) who said, “She’s got PMS. That’s all” … Dog is slowly recovering back to “normal behavior”.

Grandson immunized with DTP at 6 months old (If I remember correctly, his age). 7 days later came down with full blown Pertussis. Father and brother, both vaccinated against it as well, also came down with full blown Pertussis.

Another grandson received Flu Shot. Within hours went into grand mal seizure.

Grandson, same one with the Pertussis, recently Dx’d with “Serum Sickness”. Out of the blue – normal, active, healthy, robust 3 yr. old kid. Joints so swollen and painful he can’t walk. Giant hives all over his body. Lymph nodes the size of golfballs on his head.

Close friends son immunized with normal child’s vaccinations. Was ‘normal’ until about 2 weeks after shots. Rapid decline into “Autism”.

Another friend’s daughter … normal in all respects until 2 years old after given routine vaccinations. Declined from there. Now 15 years old with the mentality of a 3 year old.

Friend’s family dog vaccinated against Distemper. Dog attacked family members a week later. Was euthanized.

Just yesterday I learned – client’s horse vaccinated against West Nile. Horse rapidly declined and could lower head past chest by 4 hours post vaccine. Neck swollen twice its size. “Life saving” treatments for 2 weeks post. Horse is slowly recovering and just returned out to pasture for the days. Neck is still swollen and horse is still ‘off’ a bit.

It’s astounding that one single family gene pool and their pets have all had such dire and serious adverse reactions. Statistically alone that’s probably equal to one family getting hit by lightening the same amount of times.

Although I guess it would be countered by the fact that, for example, my family is large…ridiculously so actually…and all have and have always had countless pets and animals. And haven’t had a single case of any of those.
And when I say large I mean in my close relatives alone number almost 60.

So, Thomas and Delta … you’ve both attested to nothing happening to your horses after vaccinations. Can you attest to what is going on internally – how the internal bodies are reacting? Can you, with 100% assurety, tell us that NOTHING HAPPENED? If so – tell us, please, how you KNOW that ??? What makes you so sure?

Can you make the same assured assumption yourself with the reactions and/or cures of herbals?

Have herbal/homeopathic remedies been proven to cure the same way by anyone? Were there studies done on the internal reactions? Or necropsies on any later on?
Is there any proof that they’re working internally or by necropsy other than the owner viewing the exterior of the animal and stating “nothing adverse happened.” ?

Because I do believe allopathic medicines have had this done. Of course none are poven to never ever have an adverse reaction on any animal. But internal testing has been done during use of the medicines and recorded as have necropsies. Modern medicine demands that before it’s allowed for use on the public.
Would you claim that homeopathic is 100% safe and effective for any and every animal? And if not…what would be the difference then?

Using websites that state successful cures for homeopathic as proof…are there any sites that you also use looking for adverse effects or cases where it did not work too for balance? Or do you just assume it’s all 100% positive only?
If people did not have success using homeopathic/herbals…would they really bother with touting that online? If not, how can you be sure of the validity of the “proof” statements you’re finding?
And with the succesful uses…are those being found on websites by folks who may financially benefit from positive stories only? Not just websites directly selling but websites started by/owned/related to folks who may be profitting from homeopathic/herbal remedies. If you are finding success stories on sites selling or connected to people profitting from the success rate…why do you then take their stories as gospel truth despite the profit…but then view modern med/vets as evil and/or lying because they also get paid/profit? (AND aren’t allowed to state success without scientific studies proving so)
And lastly…
Have you bothered to back track and check up on the authors of each success story to validate who they actually are, whether they exist or not or if they’'re being paid for their stories?
Does it ever bother you that most of the sits that have the success stories put down the authors as initials or a first name only and then state sometimes listed…but not identifying last names or physical locations or any other way to verify if they do indeed exist? If these folks were so pleased with their experience that they allowed their words on the site…why don’t the people OR the site owners approve using the full name or identifying info?

Food for thought.

kdow · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

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Quick examples of vaccine-related incidents:

Close friends son immunized with normal child’s vaccinations. Was ‘normal’ until about 2 weeks after shots. Rapid decline into “Autism”. [/QUOTE]

Can we institute some extension of Godwin’s Law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law ) that includes discussion of vaccination and people referring to the now pretty much thoroughly disproven and debunked business of claiming that vaccinating children causes autism?

Seriously, the grand high poobah of the anti-vaccine crusade (Wakefield or whatever his name is) was falsifying his study results. This is fact. No medical studies conducted properly have ever found any kind of link indicating that vaccination causes autism.

Now, back on topic of vaccination and animals -

Here’s the thing. Do some of the standard vaccination protocols call for being ridiculously over-cautious about the length of time a vaccine is effective? Yes. And laws are changing to reflect that - in PA you no longer have to have your dog vaccinated for rabies every year. (I think it’s every 5 now.)

Is vaccination still a good thing to do? YES. Animals and people are exposed to an awful lot of really nasty diseases that vaccination reduces the risk of tremendously. I cannot imagine watching a beloved animal suffer and die for want of a proper vaccination protocol.

Is vaccination 100% totally, no-possible-adverse-reactions safe? No. You know why? Because in order to be effective, vaccination REQUIRES an immune response. That’s what vaccinating IS - introducing a sample of the relevant pathogen (or something close enough to it) in a safe form or dose, so that the immune system goes ‘hey, what’s that?’ and generates antibodies so that should the animal be exposed to the actual pathogen later on, the immune system immediately goes ‘hey, I know what that is!’ and jumps on it and the pathogen has very little time to get established and cause a proper infection.

Unfortunately, stirring up the immune system - via vaccination or via actual infection - is not 100% predictable. In rare cases, it may over-react and cause problems, there may be sensitivities to chemicals used in the vaccination that were previously unknown, and there’s evidence that at least some auto-immune diseases are ‘triggered’ by a certain level or type of immune response - and occasionally the immune response of a vaccination is sufficient to be that trigger.

(The vast majority of the time, however, the trigger is actually becoming infected with something; in any event, the vaccination does not cause that trigger to be there - the individual is basically running around with a loaded gun inside them and chances are high that sooner or later SOMETHING is going to make it go off.)

At the end of the day, of course, barring legal requirements, what you decide to do with your animals is your business. However I hope at the very least you warn people who might be bringing their animals onto your property of your vaccination habits, so they can decide for themselves if they want to expose their animals to that environment.

(Likewise, please label yourself and any other members of your family clearly, so that people like me, who cannot get some vaccinations for health reasons, know who to blame if there is an outbreak of something that I might catch and get seriously ill from, that manages to spread through the population instead of being an isolated case due to people who simply choose not to get vaccinations.)

MistyBlue · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

Ah but notice kdow how the word autism is in quotes.

Preventative protective measures for when someone brings up the obvious of fudged reports by the fraud Wakefield.
It’ll now be “I didn’t mean actual autism but autism-like problems…caused solely by vaccines and because it’s in quotes I now can’t be wrong.”
Just like the aura of healing angelic powers sent via phone and paid for were NOT a very common photography problem. We were all mistaken, when we hear hoofbeats we should always assume unicorns and not horses. And in reality my last fridge had the same aura…so it wasn’t my lack of picture taking skills but someone was praying for the health of my older-than-dirt appliance.
(they must have known somewhere there was a fridge that was getting thrown out before the new not-white one got here and prayed for it’s salvation I guess)

And any small amount of looking back at past affirmations of proof by the same poster shows the same pattern of absolute statements given and then partially retracted because everyone else misunderstood when proof is shown otherwise.
Or else we don’t have any faith and/or must be unevolved heathens.

kdow · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

I just almost spit lime-flavored sparkling water all over my laptop thanks to you. :lol:

Bluey · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

—"I’m not going to argue either but will post some statements concerning vaccinations written by veterinarians.

(And btw? The initial reason I stopped giving vaccinations was because I overheard my own vet telling someone else in a store that he believed that we “way over vaccinate, causing more harm than good in the long run, but what would vets do without that income?”. That was about 15 years ago! Maybe even longer. I started the ‘research’ on vaccinations at that time.) "—

:lol:

Did it ever occur to you that the vet may, just may have been teasing, since he knew that is what some people think vaccines are for, so vets can have that income?

Do you really know what goes on a cellular level when anyone is vaccinated?
I will tell you, because you don’t seem to know, that a vaccine is no more or less, in fact safer that the “stuff” we are exposed to all day long in our lives, that our immune system is taking care of for us.
That is called naturally aquired immunity.
The trouble with that, we don’t know who has it or not, that is why we got smart and now vaccinate, so we know that all that are vaccinated are protected.
Vaccines are not some strange thing we inject and hope magic happens.:rolleyes:

Some complain that others have to explain the basics again and again and that they feel talked down and annoyed.
Honestly, you should be thankful that some can explain to you how the world really works.

It is as annoying to talk to folks that don’t know the basics and have made an odd fantasy world out of pieces here and there, as it is for some to have to listen to the basics of how the world around them works, that they missed in grade school.:no:

Knowledge is not a secret a few are privy to and everyone else has to wing it, but is out there for everyone that wants to know how things really work.

—"Close friends son immunized with normal child’s vaccinations. Was ‘normal’ until about 2 weeks after shots. Rapid decline into “Autism”. "—

That statement just tells me someone clearly doesn’t know anything about “Autism”, not that the vaccines caused any other than what they were supposed to do.
Remember, cause and effect, the geese flying South and leaves turning and falling, all at the same time?:winkgrin:

deltawave · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

Gwen, what makes you think I haven’t studied the “other side of the story”, in enormous detail? I assure you, I have. I remain convinced that, no matter the issue, facts and scientific inquiry give us the best possible chance of understanding things, and that ignorance and paranoia, no matter how stimulating, just don’t get the job done.

Thomas_1 · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

[QUOTE=caballus;4943972]

Close friends son immunized with normal child’s vaccinations. Was ‘normal’ until about 2 weeks after shots. Rapid decline into “Autism”. [/QUOTE]

You seem to need to know that the Doctor who linked vaccination to autism was struck off having been found guilty of serious professional misconduct over the way the research was conducted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/doctor-who-linked-mmr--jab-to-autism--is-struck-off-1981943.html

Furthermore you need to know about the most recent publications and research which is indicating genetic causation:

[I]Scientists have the genetic causes of autism in their sights

In the largest study ever into the genetics of autism, researchers have identified variations that are more common in children with the condition, raising hopes of earlier diagnosis and better treatments

Scientists today say they are on track to establish the genetic triggers for autism, paving the way for earlier diagnosis of children who could be at risk of developing the condition and opening up the possibility of inventing new drugs and treatments for the condition.

The identification of a range of rare genetic mutations by an international collaboration known as the Autism Genome Project, involving scientists in the US, Canada and Europe, will further undermine the arguments of those who have claimed that the MMR vaccine, against measles, mumps and rubella, is somehow to blame.

Geri Dawson of Autism Speaks, a charity that helped to fund the research, said that the findings would bring hope to many families who struggle with autism on a daily basis. “What is critical now is to translate these basic biological findings into clinical tools for early detection and treatment.” This would allow children to be helped earlier in life. “We’re now developing behavioural interventions for infants and toddlers who are at risk for autism,” he said.

In the largest study ever into the genetics of autism, the scientists identified rare genetic variations that were 20% more frequent in children with autism than in children without the disorder. These so-called “copy number variations” (CNVs), which can be missing chunks of DNA or extra copies of sequences in and around genes, occur in less than one in 100 people in the general population.

In the study, scientists compared the incidence of these rare CNVs in 996 people with autism spectrum disorders and in 1,287 unaffected people, all with European ancestry. The results, published today in Nature, showed that some of the CNVs were inherited while others were found in children but not in their parents.

Stephen Scherer of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, Canada, said that the research would lead to a paradigm shift in assessing the causes of autism. “Most people in the field believed that autistic individuals shared common genetic variations in just a few genes,” he said. But the research suggests the genetic variations are actually rare. “Most people with autism are probably genetically quite unique, each having their own genetic form of autism. As we discover more of these variants, the number of cases of autism that we can explain increases substantially.”

Identifying the genetic causes means that doctors could develop tests for babies who may be considered at risk of autism based on their family history. “Currently, autism diagnosis is entirely behavioural and lengthy and parents are subjected to a long process where their child is being assessed,” said Louise Gallagher of Trinity College Dublin. “Some children are not getting the diagnosis until as late as five years old. With earlier detection, these children could get earlier interventions, which may limit the severity of the condition.”

Genetic risk is a big issue for families, said Gallagher, as many parents want to know what their risk of having another affected child might be. “With these findings, a proportion of families will be able in the future to get more precise genetic counselling,” she said. “However, it is very early days and we’re not suggesting that pre-natal testing is appropriate because the penetrance of some of these CNVs is incomplete – they may not affect people equally. What we’re saying here is that there’s the potential to identify children at greater risk and to institute earlier intervention.”

Discovery of a major genetic underpinning for autism will help further allay parents’ fears of a sinister environmental cause, such as the link that was proposed by Andrew Wakefield in a paper in the Lancet in 1998. The General Medical Council recently struck him off the medical register over his research ethics. But some parents of autistic children continue to believe he has been the scapegoat for a vaccine scandal, in spite of the absence of scientific evidence for his claims.

The work will also underpin a better understanding of the physiological basis for autism. The risk genes identified in the latest studies are involved in brain functions and knowing what their altered effects are will give scientists targets for therapies. Rare CNVs are also known to play a role in other learning disabilities and in mental health conditions such as schizophrenia. They can also play a role in epilepsy.

Anthony Monaco of the University of Oxford, who was part of the consortium, said there was still much more to do to identify the full suite of genetic causes of autism. “This consortium of scientists has been trying to put together a very large jigsaw puzzle without the benefit of having a nice colourful picture on the box. In this paper, the CNVs we found framed this jigsaw puzzle. They give us an idea of what the picture may look like.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jun/09/autism-study-genetic-causes
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7814775/Dozens-of-genetic-mutations-linked-to-autism-in-children-discovered.html

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/06June/Pages/genetics-behind-autism-discovered.aspx

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

And here we go - round and round again. What is it that you find so astounding? That there are sensitivities that have gone through generations? Is that not called hereditary, genetic, “history” of a family? In Homeopathics its called “Maisms” –

Although I guess it would be countered by the fact that, for example, my family is large…ridiculously so actually…and all have and have always had countless pets and animals. And haven’t had a single case of any of those.
And when I say large I mean in my close relatives alone number almost 60.
Well, perhaps so, perhaps not. Perhaps because of your biased thinking you’ve not put two and two together ??

Can you make the same assured assumption yourself with the reactions and/or cures of herbals?
Actually, it is BECAUSE of the reactions and cures of herbals AND Homeopathy (Homeopathy and Herbals are not synonymous) that I began to learn more. I used to make fun of my mother because she was into ‘herbs’ and ‘natural foods’. Kept a closed mind until I had good reason to try them myself.

Have herbal/homeopathic remedies been proven to cure the same way by anyone? Were there studies done on the internal reactions? Or necropsies on any later on?
Is there any proof that they’re working internally or by necropsy other than the owner viewing the exterior of the animal and stating “nothing adverse happened.” ?
I see you fail to keep up with medical findings and reports on herbs and such. Look it up – you’ll be surprised, I’m sure. Do you not realize that over half of our prescription drugs are derived from herbs and plants? Short answer - yes. There are plenty of ‘provings’.

Because I do believe allopathic medicines have had this done. Of course none are poven to never ever have an adverse reaction on any animal. But internal testing has been done during use of the medicines and recorded as have necropsies. Modern medicine demands that before it’s allowed for use on the public.
Internal testing for how long? The time of testing is becoming shorter and shorter. Gardasil was not even fully tested before the vaccine became ‘mandatory’. What about Vioxx? And Premarin? etc. etc. And to add insult to injury here we have GMO corn that is in thousands of regular, everyday, consumable products in one for or another and the test results that JUST came out this year. The FDA did not feel that more than 90 days of study was needed since they ‘trust’ Monsanto’s word of their own findings. “Monsanto resisted releasing their data to independent researchers – environmental groups had to sue to get it. Once it was released and analyzed by one group of scientists, they wrote a dense study in a non-peer reviewed journal and found statistically significant amounts of organ failure in the rats in Monsanto’s own study. Consumers often have no way of knowing clearly if they are eating genetically modified food.” –http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/19/monsanto-gm-corn-causing_n_425195.html with other references and links provided there. Yet we are supposed to just swallow the corn and the ‘trust’ that there seems to be between Monsanto and FDA? (pun intended). FDA does not even require labeling for this so we really don’t know when we’re eating this GMO or not.

Great for establishing ‘trust’ in the consumer.

Would you claim that homeopathic is 100% safe and effective for any and every animal? And if not…what would be the difference then?
According to records over 200 years the CORRECT homeopathic remedy has never failed to ‘cure’ an individual that was not in a terminal state to begin with. If a remedy fails to cure its simply because the wrong remedy was administered. Homeopathy is individualized according to each individual ‘patient’. And yes, Homeopathics is 100% safe for animals, humans, birds, fish - any age, any size etc. etc. It is not based on ‘chemicals’ – it is not ‘anti-anything’ (as in anti-biotics, anti-bacterial etc. …) it is based on dynamic energy balance of the vital force/immune system within one’s own individual body.

Using websites that state successful cures for homeopathic as proof…are there any sites that you also use looking for adverse effects or cases where it did not work too for balance? Or do you just assume it’s all 100% positive only?
I’m not assuming anything. There have been lots of ‘failures’ until that correct remedy is found. There are case histories galore and I have an extensive library here at home in yes, printed materials!

If people did not have success using homeopathic/herbals…would they really bother with touting that online? If not, how can you be sure of the validity of the “proof” statements you’re finding?
Because in order to correctly practice homeopathy it is essential to keep records. Doctors who practice Homeopathy are required to keep them. Homeopaths who are up front and ‘honest’ homeopaths keep records. On the flip side, how can one be sure of the ‘validity’ of allopathic records? Even laboratory findings? Is there anything that is 100% sure?

And with the succesful uses…are those being found on websites by folks who may financially benefit from positive stories only? Not just websites directly selling but websites started by/owned/related to folks who may be profitting from homeopathic/herbal remedies. If you are finding success stories on sites selling or connected to people profitting from the success rate…why do you then take their stories as gospel truth despite the profit…but then view modern med/vets as evil and/or lying because they also get paid/profit? (AND aren’t allowed to state success without scientific studies proving so)
Why do you assume that I am taking stories as ‘gospel truth’? There are plenty of patient testimonies who have nothing to gain from either lying or skewing results as well as case histories. Books, reports, journals, as well as on the web.

And lastly…
Have you bothered to back track and check up on the authors of each success story to validate who they actually are, whether they exist or not or if they’'re being paid for their stories?
Actually, yes. I have contacted some to discuss ‘cases’.

Does it ever bother you that most of the sits that have the success stories put down the authors as initials or a first name only and then state sometimes listed…but not identifying last names or physical locations or any other way to verify if they do indeed exist? If these folks were so pleased with their experience that they allowed their words on the site…why don’t the people OR the site owners approve using the full name or identifying info?

Food for thought.
One of the reasons, actually, that I do not withhold my own information. I stand by my own statements and if I make a mistake then it is pretty much out there for anyone to see. So’s the fixin’.

It does bother me, yes. I take it with a grain of salt. The other thing is my own personal experiences - anecdotal yes, but then again, animals don’t lie. I treat my own animals, my own family and myself with Homeopathics and with success. i also ‘prescribe’ for my clients when needed. Does that mean we all use it exclusive of any allopathic medicine? Of course not. There is a place for both.

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

[QUOTE=deltawave;4944244]
Gwen, what makes you think I haven’t studied the “other side of the story”, in enormous detail? I assure you, I have. I remain convinced that, no matter the issue, facts and scientific inquiry give us the best possible chance of understanding things, and that ignorance and paranoia, no matter how stimulating, just don’t get the job done.[/QUOTE]
You and I obviously perceive things in different ways. As for ignorance and paranoia … to what are you referring?

Mara · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

Simple question, and I hope it will result in a simple answer.

Say you, Gwen, are bitten by a rabid animal. For the sake of this argument, the animal is captured and subsequently proven in a necropsy to be without a doubt, rabid.

Which route are you taking for treatment? Because the only PROVEN cure for rabies is the allopathic one.

Edit: I myself am quite conservative with my vaccination schedule. My pets are vaccinated according to their risk of exposure. Exceptions are of course rabies and distemper. Truly, the likelihood of distemper is low due to the fact that we just don’t do much in the way of interacting with other dogs, but I’ve seen what it can do to a dog that gets it. It’s sad. They don’t get lepto and they don’t get Lyme - we’re pretty suburban. When we were lving in a more rural area, then yes, they did get both of those.

FrenchFrytheEqHorse · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

Not going to get into the vaccine debate- my horse is titred every year for several vaccs because he is a headshaker, which could possibly be immune system related (but of course, nobody knows…). I also fully admit that I read this somewhere online, and that it might actually be complete BS. That being said, he DOES get vaccinated when titres indicate.

However- I would like to point out that in February, the esteemed British medical journal, The Lancet, retracted its original 1998 article that first related autism to vaccination. Unfortunately, it took 12 years to do so, and in the meantime, a lot of people got RICH promoting the “anti-vaccine” movement. A LOT of people. Vets, doctors, and Jenny McCarthy (who is INSANE- claims to have “cured” her son’s autism with a dairy and gluten free diet…) alike.

Vaccinating pets and children is NEVER one sided, and it’s never only about you or your pet/child. A dear friend of mine sent her baby to daycare when he was about 3 months old. At 6 months, he developed measles and nearly died (VERY NEARLY DIED). Not because he wasn’t vaccinated- he hadn’t yet received the entire course of MMRs. But because a 4 year old at the daycare had parents that chose not to vaccinate him, then took him to Switzerland for Christmas vacation. He acquired measles while abroad, then took it to daycare where a number of babies got VERY, VERY ill. They were then required by the state to undergo a lengthy period of quarantine during which time they were forbidden from having contact with other children.

Since then, I really do believe we should have an island somewhere for people that decide not to vaccinate their pets and children. They can choose to do as they wish as long as they don’t put MY children and pets at risk for serious illness.

caballus · August 20, 2020, 11:15am

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You seem to need to know that the Doctor who linked vaccination to autism was struck off having been found guilty of serious professional misconduct over the way the research was conducted.