CREST Toothpaste for Sarcoids?

hompathy is an aid its not a cure
it like if i slapped on abit of savalon on a neddy as he had a wound
so to protect him fro dirt and fly or to wait till vet arrived
etc

then i have aided my neddy

as for veggies thats not new - most people stuff veggies in there dinner bowl as an aided tasty ingrediant

but the horses are forgage animals so roughage is a large part of there diet

please dont get mixed up between that roughage or fibra is veggies
as its roughage is hay and fibra is the type of hay given ie alfa alfa holds vitim a and e and protien and if over feed can bloat ahorse out

whereas normal roughage a nd lower graded hay would only perhaps have 15% of protein and less of the alfa which would mean to you lot low choice hay
to us its more like lay hay when one pasture of hay is replace with another crop of something else and then the following back to hay again

as for not using a proper wormer or getting you horses injections done
then your unbeleiveable gald my neddies are far far away on the other sideof the pond and rabies is something we dont have

but for thsoe that live in a place where they do have and are trying to confind and conceal the out break of rabies and to reduce that problem in any way they can

then your an irresponsilble adult that not only put you animals at risk but your faimly and your own flesh and blood

as reagrds to your kids dogs cats what has that got to do with horses???

ooh becuase your vegeterians - well matey not one person on this planet is a true vegeterin dog cat horse you name it you want to go into to that one

well matey i will match you there and be as nutty as you are- we eat we breath we talk we cough
splutter and sing and every time we open our noses or our lungs or our mouths A DIRTY GREAT BIG MOUTHFUL OF MICRO ORGANISIUMS JUMPS IN AS ITS IN THE AIR THAT WE BREATH

i rest my case

and i will finally add - sacrcoids are semi maglinant
no one yet has found a cancer cure and when and if they do they will be rich as rich

and all lumps which are classed as cancerous are either benign which is one lump with one root which can be cut out of a body depending wher eof course that lump is
maglinant - is a lump with many roots ie not just one in other words its like a tree has many branches and often attack the vital organs 1st

semi - maglinant - means it can be either just one lump with one root or lots off little lumps or a combination of both

proper medical advice and treament via a vet or a doctor are the only ones that can prescribe medicines
callabus - is not a doctor nor a vet and can only state an opnion
she does not write in medical journals as she cant

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I guess my response to this would be why? Why are more and more children being dx’d with autism? If the genetic underpinning is the cause then what is causing that? What is causing the increase of the flawed genes? Is it environmental? Is it dietary? Is it … ??? Is the increase just seen in the United States? Is it found in other countries? These are questions that I would ask. What is it about vaccines that seems to bring this gene into action, if indeed, it is genetic? Kids that are autistic from birth don’t show the normal development of other ‘healthy’ kids. Kids that are healthy are becoming autistic … sometimes in their toddler years; sometimes later? Why? What is setting of the autism? Repeated and increasing incidences of autism developing shortly after vaccines are administered HAS to give rise to thought of correlation. Is it actually formal “Autism” or is it “Autistic-like” state caused by ingredient (think Thimerosal) in vaccines? Those are questions that need to be answered. I don’t personally feel they’ve BEEN answered truthfully or adequately.[/QUOTE]

One simple reason is that autistic people are living to adulthood and reproducing, so there is more autism.
There are more reasons, like much better diagnostics, autism was not a recognized diagnosis until not so long ago, we could not diagnose and treat but some symptoms before, we have better records, etc.
Societies today tend to accept more “different”, eccentric individuals.:wink:

The world has changed, but autism has always been around.
The traits autism brings forth are not those societies could benefit before in the large numbers we can today, where so many individuals are protected and have the kind of upbringing and jobs that can survive in our societies today.
There are clusters of autism in computer and science centers, because those are places the ones with the more high functioning autism traits can live without being marginalized out of society, or persecuted, so they can have more or less normal lives and so families and so more autistic individuals are born than the norm would have been before, if indeed the numbers are there for a true increase.

What we know about autism is just evolving, so we can’t say much with certainty.
We can say it has been always part of how some human brains developed, it is not new.

And here we go - round and round again. What is it that you find so astounding? That there are sensitivities that have gone through generations? Is that not called hereditary, genetic, “history” of a family?

No, not astounding that there can be a genetic gene pool more sensitive to something than others will be. However…(you knew there’d be a however, didn’t you? ;)) are you saying your family is genetically sensitive to that many different allopathic medicines? That’s statistically astounding.
Also, the animals; your family pets and client’s pets were also sharing a same genetic family to cause the similar/same reactions? Those above statistics just became even more astoundingly rare.
Add in lastly that seemingly only those with such strong opposition to alllopathic or at least such a strong belief in homeopathic and/or herbals seems to run into multiples of these gene pools of sensitivity.
Now we’re talking statistics of such rarity that it’s beyond astounding.

Statisically speaking (or use “odds” or “coincidence” or whatever) there’s a much much much higher probability of the adverse reactions being hysteria or belief caused than the actuality of finding so many reactions to so many different vectors in so many different gene (and specie) pools in one concentrated area.

There’s an immeasurably higher chance for the unicorns galloping causing that sound. :winkgrin:

Well, perhaps so, perhaps not. Perhaps because of your biased thinking you’ve not put two and two together ??

As stated previously…no, it’s ridiculously unlikely that all of my rather large family’s numerous pets over the decades have been genetically identical in resisting reactions to allopathic medicine. Especially considering the species barriers there too.

I see you fail to keep up with medical findings and reports on herbs and such. Look it up – you’ll be surprised, I’m sure. Do you not realize that over half of our prescription drugs are derived from herbs and plants? Short answer - yes. There are plenty of ‘provings’.

You’re failing in what you see also. :wink: Yes, allopathic medicine often has plant matter. In tested amounts and strengths. Buying them online, growing them yourself, whatever…is not going to be the same tested amounts and strengths now, will it? :confused: And nope, I wasn’t surprised when it was looked up either.
It may surpise you that I am not anti-herbal at all. And I’m pro-integrated medicines. (using herbal/natural and allopathis together UNDER licensed pros in tested amounts and supplies)
I am anti-homeopathic in the sense that diluting something to 1 in one billion whatever of something is ridiculous to think of as a cure for anything. And I’m very anti-give herbal medical advice out on the web or prescribing medical herbs to others (whether or not you use quotes around the word prescribe) when one is NOT licensed to do so. The herbals prescribed might not require licensing, but the diagnosing and suggestion of them as cures DOES. Especially when the experience used is mainly anecdotal.

Internal testing for how long? The time of testing is becoming shorter and shorter. Gardasil was not even fully tested before the vaccine became ‘mandatory’. What about Vioxx? And Premarin? etc. etc.

As has been stated ad nauseum, nothing is 100%.

According to records over 200 years the CORRECT homeopathic remedy has never failed to ‘cure’ an individual that was not in a terminal state to begin with. If a remedy fails to cure its simply because the wrong remedy was administered. Homeopathy is individualized according to each individual ‘patient’. And yes, Homeopathics is 100% safe for animals, humans, birds, fish - any age, any size etc. etc. It is not based on ‘chemicals’ – it is not ‘anti-anything’ (as in anti-biotics, anti-bacterial etc. …) it is based on dynamic energy balance of the vital force/immune system within one’s own individual body.

Ahhh, so it’s LUCK?
A rather convenient statistic there.
It’s 100% effective if you picked the right one!
And if you didn’t pick the wrong one often enough that the patient became terminal…well that’s not anybody’s fault! It was bad luck in your choices!
So it’s a 100% success rate! (if you chose/guessed right the first few times before you dropped dead that is)
Homeopathy is 100% safe because it’s 100% benign. 1/1,000,000,000 of anything is 100% safe. It’s not 100% (or even 1%) effective, but it’s nont detrimental either.
And since when is the immune system a Vital Force? :confused: It’s a system within the body. Complete with concrete stuff like blood cells, etc. The Force is something from LOTR movies or Star Wars. Or else a faith based issue…which would mean that those who do not share the same faith or else do not have any faith are not able to be cured of anything homeopathically?

I’m not assuming anything. There have been lots of ‘failures’ until that correct remedy is found. There are case histories galore and I have an extensive library here at home in yes, printed materials!

So the word failures is in quotes now. I guess it can’t be called a quoteless Failure because it isn’t a failure when a patient dies because the right remedy wasn’t chosen in time. It’s never that the remedies don’t actually work…it’s the timing/choice issue.
Can’t ruin that 100% success/never harms/perfectly safe faux ‘statistic’ with admitting to actual failures.
Sucks for the patient…sorry buddy, we’re out of guesses and you’re out of time. But thank goodness the homeopathy did absolutely no harm!

Tell the dead patient that it’s not harmful to remain untreated successfully or undiagnosed while someone tries to contact your “force” to find out just which plant juice you need.

Because in order to correctly practice homeopathy it is essential to keep records. Doctors who practice Homeopathy are required to keep them. Homeopaths who are up front and ‘honest’ homeopaths keep records. On the flip side, how can one be sure of the ‘validity’ of allopathic records? Even laboratory findings? Is there anything that is 100% sure?

Uless the homeopath is taking blood tests and other testing before, during and after the issue…the records of “patient seemed to have ____, we treated with ____ and patient appears to _____” means diddly squat. Some may hate or distrust science, but it’s still required for tracking accurate records.
Is allopathic 100% sure. No, absolutely not. Is it a hella lot more sure than “I observed this” without all the testing to back it up on multiple peer reviewed cases? Most definitely.

Well, if your pets and children are vaccinated then you shouldn’t have anything to worry about – that’s why people vaccinate, right?

No, and it only goes to show the lack of a very basic simple understanding of diseases. Which is actually frightening given the advice you hand out with such a lack of the basics.

Many diseases are considered “extinct” or almost extinct in this area due 100% to the vaccinations being used so predominantly over so many decades.
When people travel to other areas and pick up diseases we haven’t had here in decades or longer…the chance of it being the exact same version of that disease is very very low. Our disease version were wiped out. Not the entire planet’s versions or all the newer mutated versions of the same diseases.
So no, my family and pets being vaccinated against our globally local diseases is not going to save their lives if some moron flower believer travels or comes in contact with someone who travelled and spreads something different that we were not vaccinated specifically against.

Ever hear of people getting different new adult vaccines if they’re travelling to certain areas? As a matter of fact you can NOT get into certain countries without new vaccines for diseases never encountered here. We’re not vaccinated against dengue fever but we can’t go anywhere tropical without that vaccine. And it’s not to keep the natives of that area from catching it from us, it’s to keep the rest of this country from catching it from us when we return. (and because we have zero natural immunity to it either as the natives of those areas do. But if we catch it there, it may mutate with our different genetics and we could end up giving a bastard strain of it there to those who live there)

But I guess as long you’re not interrupting your force or beliefs…screw the others you may get sick.

Are you able to bring your horses anywhere other than home or other private properties of similar believers? (won’t ask about your dogs because I’m sure you don’t bother telling anyone they could be carriers of who knows what since you belief the leaf and dance you gave them made them healthy)

How about for those who compete? or those trail ride on public trails and are socially responsible and caring enough to make sure they’re not unwittingly transmitting stuff to other area equines? They vaccinate. it’s the responsible social thing to do…watch out for your fellow man/horse even if they never know you’re doing it. Remove ALL chance for possible infection over the personal beliefs you have.

However if you keep your horses home all the time and never do anything/go anywhere with them and make sure to keep it a closed herd…more power to you. But many of us don’t do that. We vaccinate because it’s the right thing to do for our horses and dogs and for everyone else’s. We won’t passively spread problems just because of a belief system.

—"It may surpise you that I am not anti-herbal at all. And I’m pro-integrated medicines. "—

Oh, my, I was reading that as …“I am pro-intergalactic medicines.”—

I think The Force is affecting me.:eek:
Is there a vaccine against catching that homeopatic bug going around?:winkgrin:

most people that live the life as op does are ata disavantage becuase there beliefs and are a danger to others and there animals
as they will practice such a range of things without the proper triaining or proffessionlism
as they dont beleive in whats real nor do they belive in what real medicine’s can do, or jabs be it human or animal so there fore create a higher risk of health
not only to other people and there animals but also the envrioment and society and the community they reside in
as more often or not they dont protect what they hold dear to them which is there own faimly, home and the land they live on so

and thats fact not fiction

Oh, my, I was reading that as …“I am pro-intergalactic medicines.”—

LMAO…hey now…I could have been thinking intergalactic and you just picked that up through your computer screen via intuitive force. :winkgrin: (hey if it works through a telephone, why not a computer?)

Well, guess we’re just a ‘rare’ family then. Just FYI – our ‘kids’ are not ‘believers’ in Homeopathy except for one – the Paramedic. She has used it and found it to be effective in those instances she used them. Again, note that she is a Paramedic. She also uses herbs, acupressure, cranial sacro therapy in addition to her own allopathic treatments.

You’re failing in what you see also. :wink: Yes, allopathic medicine often has plant matter. In tested amounts and strengths. Buying them online, growing them yourself, whatever…is not going to be the same tested amounts and strengths now, will it? :confused: And nope, I wasn’t surprised when it was looked up either.
It may surpise you that I am not anti-herbal at all. And I’m pro-integrated medicines. (using herbal/natural and allopathis together UNDER licensed pros in tested amounts and supplies)
Ahhhhh, you seem to have missed my statement that I feel there is a use for allopathic medicine also. I, too, agree with combinations.

I am anti-homeopathic in the sense that diluting something to 1 in one billion whatever of something is ridiculous to think of as a cure for anything.
When one understands dynamic energy then its not so inconceivable to think of.
And I’m very anti-give herbal medical advice out on the web or prescribing medical herbs to others (whether or not you use quotes around the word prescribe) when one is NOT licensed to do so. The herbals prescribed might not require licensing, but the diagnosing and suggestion of them as cures DOES. Especially when the experience used is mainly anecdotal.
I believe I used the word ‘prescribing’ in conjuction with HOMEOPATHY - not herbs. There’s a vast difference between the two.

As has been stated ad nauseum, nothing is 100%.

Ahhh, so it’s LUCK?
A rather convenient statistic there.
It’s 100% effective if you picked the right one!
There are thousands of proven remedies. The detail of choosing what one would be effective for the individual is difficult at best. Its not the ‘REMEDY’ that fails but the failure of the prescriber to determine which remedy best suits the individual’s situation.

And if you didn’t pick the wrong one often enough that the patient became terminal…well that’s not anybody’s fault! It was bad luck in your choices!
You misunderstood … Homeopathy can be used to aid in the comfort of someone already in the stage of passing. But as with anything, including allopathic meds, it cannot stop the passing of that individual who is terminally ill. I did not say that if the remedy didn’t work then the patient became terminal. Read for comprehension and I’ll try to be a bit more precise in how I word things.

And since when is the immune system a Vital Force? :confused: It’s a system within the body. Complete with concrete stuff like blood cells, etc.
Yes, and that immune system has energy in it. Just like any other system, tissue, cell within the body. Every cell is energy and is affected by dynamic energy from other sources.
The Force is something from LOTR movies or Star Wars. Or else a faith based issue…which would mean that those who do not share the same faith or else do not have any faith are not able to be cured of anything homeopathically?
The ‘vital force’ can also be called Chi or Prana or whatever the culture’s term for ‘essential energy’ is - the energy that separates the living from the dead, basically. In Homeopathics, Samuel Hahnemann describes “vital force” in aphorism 9 of the Organon as
"the healthy condition of man, the spiritual vital force (autocracy), the dynamis that animates the material body (organism), rules with unbounded sway, and retains all the parts of the organism in admirable, harmonious, vital operation, as regards both sensations and functions, so that our indwelling, reason-gifted mind can freely employ this living, healthy instrument for the higher purpose of our existence.
Does that help?

So the word failures is in quotes now. I guess it can’t be called a quoteless Failure because it isn’t a failure when a patient dies because the right remedy wasn’t chosen in time. It’s never that the remedies don’t actually work…it’s the timing/choice issue.
That’s correct -its not the failure of the remedy, as I’ve explained, but the failure of the prescriber to determine the correct remedy needed. Again, allopathy can’t raise the dead nor can it extend life beyond ‘life support’ if the patient is terminal. Neither can Homeopathy.

Can’t ruin that 100% success/never harms/perfectly safe faux ‘statistic’ with admitting to actual failures.
If you truly understood the principles of Homeopathy then you’d be able to understand/comprehend what is being stated.

Sucks for the patient…sorry buddy, we’re out of guesses and you’re out of time. But thank goodness the homeopathy did absolutely no harm!
Sorry buddy, the meds just aren’t doing the job. You’re outta time. Sorry you’ve lost all your hair, can’t keep any food in your gut and you have no immune system left. Oh, by the way? You can’t have any more pain meds, either, cause they’ll kill ya if we give you any more. ???

Tell the dead patient that it’s not harmful to remain untreated successfully or undiagnosed while someone tries to contact your “force” to find out just which plant juice you need.
As I said, if you understood the concepts and principles of Homeopathy then you’d understand what I’ve been saying. When you have an understanding of it then perhaps we can discuss it in a more intellectual manner without the petulant sarcasm.

Uless the homeopath is taking blood tests and other testing before, during and after the issue…the records of “patient seemed to have ____, we treated with ____ and patient appears to _____” means diddly squat. Some may hate or distrust science, but it’s still required for tracking accurate records.
Is allopathic 100% sure. No, absolutely not. Is it a hella lot more sure than “I observed this” without all the testing to back it up on multiple peer reviewed cases? Most definitely.
Who said Homeopathic Drs. don’t pull blood and run tests? And who said there are no multiple peer reviewed cases?

chi and yen is chinese for the flow of energy

bit like yin and yang ben around for decades not something new
and its to do with life

op- i will let you into a big secret thats world wide known
yes no, for and agianst,
negatives- and positivies ---- live - earth unless of course your wiring a plug then you have an extra wire or sometimes people have that xtra cromiszone as in 2 x yy or 2 x XXs then i surpose our in no mans land

choices are what the people in this world call it

one is a tad defensive and agrressive as one isnt winning but whinning
do this or else
people like to make that choice themselves

and people like to chose what is correct rather than what isnt correct as they believe in what is real to whats not real

your energy as chi is very apparent on here
and if your turely an chi bird and hompathy whatsername

then you must let people have the freedom of choice and not shoe it down there thoarts that your way is gospel

becuase matey if was - then the world would be a different place than it is to day and tecnology whould be left far far far behind

me i like my doc my hospital and vet dentistanimal and human my farrier as they are the proffessional people that help me and my animals to live long happy and ahvea good life the end

I understand that vaccines are purported to protect against certain diseases. So if your horses/animals/family are protected with vaccines then you don’t need to worry about those who don’t vaccinate.

I understand perfectly well, thank you. I’m saying that because that’s exactly what I asked a vet one time about vaccinated animals vs. unvaccinated animals to see what her answer would be. What was it? “Well, vaccines aren’t 100% you know.”

Many diseases are considered “extinct” or almost extinct in this area due 100% to the vaccinations being used so predominantly over so many decades.
When people travel to other areas and pick up diseases we haven’t had here in decades or longer…the chance of it being the exact same version of that disease is very very low. Our disease version were wiped out. Not the entire planet’s versions or all the newer mutated versions of the same diseases.
So no, my family and pets being vaccinated against our globally local diseases is not going to save their lives if some moron flower believer travels or comes in contact with someone who travelled and spreads something different that we were not vaccinated specifically against.
Well, just to throw another monkey wrench into it – nosodes are effective, just as much as vaccines and even possibly more effective. Without the side effects. And yes, people use them and have titres pulled.

Ever hear of people getting different new adult vaccines if they’re travelling to certain areas? As a matter of fact you can NOT get into certain countries without new vaccines for diseases never encountered here. …
And that only makes sense since the diseases we’re exposed to here in the US are not the same ones as what are encountered in other countries therefore we’ve not had the opportunity to build up an immunity. And yes, daughters and hubby to several third world countries multiple times.

But I guess as long you’re not interrupting your force or beliefs…screw the others you may get sick.
Yeah, guess I’m just that kind o’gal. Screw the other person. Who cares!?

Are you able to bring your horses anywhere other than home or other private properties of similar believers? (won’t ask about your dogs because I’m sure you don’t bother telling anyone they could be carriers of who knows what since you belief the leaf and dance you gave them made them healthy)
Some of the organized trail rides ask to see vaccination verification to which, of course, no - I cannot take my guys. To other properties? Yes, of course. And others bring their horses here. As for my dogs? They are house dogs for the most part. They do not go out ‘loose’ and unsupervised. We have a 24 hr. leash law in this town. Our dogs are with us 100% of the time outdoors or in the house when we leave the property. Not that its any of your concern, however. But there ya have it anyway.

How about for those who compete? or those trail ride on public trails and are socially responsible and caring enough to make sure they’re not unwittingly transmitting stuff to other area equines? They vaccinate. it’s the responsible social thing to do…watch out for your fellow man/horse even if they never know you’re doing it. Remove ALL chance for possible infection over the personal beliefs you have.
Vaccines do NOT remove ALL chance. Just doesn’t happen so anytime anyone takes a horse to an organized event its a risk.

However if you keep your horses home all the time and never do anything/go anywhere with them and make sure to keep it a closed herd…more power to you. But many of us don’t do that. We vaccinate because it’s the right thing to do for our horses and dogs and for everyone else’s. We won’t passively spread problems just because of a belief system.
What about those of us who choose to pull titres, instead? And does what you choose to do make you a better person than those of us who choose not to vaccinate?

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your energy as chi is very apparent on here
and if your turely an chi bird and hompathy whatsername

then you must let people have the freedom of choice and not shoe it down there thoarts that your way is gospel[/QUOTE]GLS – I’m not trying to ‘shoe’ anything down anyone’s throat. I addressing comments. That’s all. I don’t happen to agree and others don’t agree with me. That’s OK … I don’t feel anyone else is trying to ‘shoe’ anything down my throat, either. We’re merely discussing. Pretty boring world if everyone agreed. There’d be just a few “yep’s” here and there in the way of conversation.

And as much as I’m ‘enjoying’ the conversation there is more work to be done so I’m outta here. Flame away – say what you will – I’ll look forward to reading the posts later. It’ll give me something to do. ha.

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GLS – I’m not trying to ‘shoe’ anything down anyone’s throat. I addressing comments. That’s all. I don’t happen to agree and others don’t agree with me. That’s OK … I don’t feel anyone else is trying to ‘shoe’ anything down my throat, either. We’re merely discussing. Pretty boring world if everyone agreed. There’d be just a few “yep’s” here and there in the way of conversation.

And as much as I’m ‘enjoying’ the conversation there is more work to be done so I’m outta here. Flame away – say what you will – I’ll look forward to reading the posts later. It’ll give me something to do. ha.[/QUOTE]

did i put shoe lol i meant shove lol

pardon me

callallus------- when one doesnt do jabs and you asked the vet ectetc

anyways if ones out on a trial or at a show or out walking with any aniaml thats not been done
then the people you meet that may or may not have been injected
for exsample another you type person

then the risk of infection or cantaining a probable cause like rabies then be happy in the knowledge that you my dear have helped to spread that nasty vile thing that can cost peoples lives

thats not being a responsible adult
now matey look at it as visa versa one day because your not protected and none of your animals are then you too kids faimly neddies and any other animals are at ahigher risk every time you take the kids out dogs out or horses out of your yard
and once that happens all livestock is shot
and humans ahve a horriabe lingering death

and your not a responisble adult as a mum as obviously you have kids its your duty to protect them
as aresponsible horse owner animal owner then its your job to protect them

you obviously dont beleive in self worth and values morals and standards

Why are more and more children being dx’d with autism? If the genetic underpinning is the cause then what is causing that? What is causing the increase of the flawed genes? Is it environmental? Is it dietary? Is it … ??? Is the increase just seen in the United States? Is it found in other countries? These are questions that I would ask.
Ask away. You wouldn’t be alone. You would be surprised, but there are even some very good minds looking into these things. You know, doing SCIENCE. Perhaps you ought to avail yourself of the current body of knowledge that’s out there. Given the fact that the so-called “seminal” article categorically disproving a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism was done in Denmark, that ought to answer your question as to whether it is found outside the US. But someone so chock full of information and opinion on the topic would be VERY well aware of that, wouldn’t one? :rolleyes: Of course, it’s a lot less work to just wallow in one’s dogma. Reading is SO tedious.

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I guess my response to this would be why? Why are more and more children being dx’d with autism? If the genetic underpinning is the cause then what is causing that? What is causing the increase of the flawed genes? Is it environmental? Is it dietary? Is it … ???[/QUOTE] Well personally speaking I think you are asking the wrong questions.

You’re first of all making an assumption - a huge one - that there is an increase.

NOTE: An increase in diagnosing and labelling something “Autism” doesn’t actually mean there’s actually an increase in it.

Autism is a lifelong developmental disability and it was only actually recognised in the late 1940’s early 1950’s and it was “discovered” when looking into such as childhood schizophrenia and communication disorders.

So it’s always been around, it just wasn’t called Autism and children weren’t labelled or diagnosed as Autistic until recently.

Furthermore I don’t know if you are genuinely just selectively reading but it’s not diet or environment according to the latest study. They’re saying it’s genetic.

What is it about vaccines that seems to bring this gene into action, if indeed, it is genetic?
It’s nothing to do with darned vaccines! Are you stupid or just selective with what you choose to think?

Kids that are autistic from birth don’t show the normal development of other ‘healthy’ kids. Kids that are healthy are becoming autistic … sometimes in their toddler years; sometimes later? Why? What is setting of the autism? Repeated and increasing incidences of autism developing shortly after vaccines are administered HAS to give rise to thought of correlation. Is it actually formal “Autism” or is it “Autistic-like” state caused by ingredient (think Thimerosal) in vaccines? Those are questions that need to be answered. I don’t personally feel they’ve BEEN answered truthfully or adequately.
there’s absolutely NO evidence of any link or correlation whatsoever with autism and vaccination.

I know you choose not to believe that but there isn’t.

Some people live with autism for their entire life without ever getting a formal diagnosis. Often this is simply because autism just wasn’t widely known or understood when they were growing up. For adults and children alike, a diagnosis of autism can help to explain why they have always found certain things difficult.

There’s also absolutely no evidence at all that there’s an increase. Since the condition was recognised and named, the results of research and clinical work have led to the broadening of the concept of autistic disorders. As a result, estimates of prevalence have increased considerably. This process has occurred in stages, the start of each of which can be linked to particular studies. There’s always been a large number of children with low educational achievements, special learning needs, poor communication, behavioural problems etc etc etc. All that’s changed is that the spectrum of definition for diagnosis has broadened and it’s being more commonly diagnosed.

Is the increase just seen in the United States? Is it found in other countries?
Erm are you really serious!!! So you know it’s to do with vaccines and you claim to have a shed load of theories and done all sorts of research but you don’t know the doctor that was struck off was English. That Asperger was Austrian. That Leo Kanner was German. For someone with so much “enlightenment and knowledge” you really don’t know that much!

It’s not new. It’s not to do with vaccines.

I know you won’t believe that so I don’t really know why I’m bothering.

You start with toothpaste for sarcoids and wonder into vaccines are bad. Same old, same old.

We know you don’t like conventional medicine and science and you don’t understand or like vaccination either.

You don’t get it and it’s totally off topic and once again taken to your favourite old hobby-horse subject matter.

We’ve had some really weird topics from you and I think those who read regularly will have got it that you’re hell bent on sticking to your dogma and silly ideas no matter what:

We now have CREST Toothpaste for Sarcoids?

Previous history of threads is just as bonkers and there’s a definite pattern:

Feb. 1, 2010 02:23 PM
by caballus
Interesting Read on Vaccines

Rose Hips for Inflammation
caballus

Nov. 27, 2009 06:01 PM

Vaccines: A Must See! HR & NHR
caballus

Jul. 21, 2007
SCIENCE OF VACCINE DAMAGE - caballus

[QUOTE=caballus;4944301]
Well, if your pets and children are vaccinated then you shouldn’t have anything to worry about – that’s why people vaccinate, right?[/QUOTE]

No. This is COMPLETELY WRONG. If my baby, who hasn’t received his full course of MMR vaccines due to his age (full course is completed at approx. 1 year), contracts measles from YOUR CHILD THAT YOU CHOSE NOT TO VACCINATE, I HAVE SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT. You’d better believe, I HAVE SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT. VACCINATION IS A COMMUNAL ACTIVITY. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO VACCINATE, KEEP YOUR ANIMALS AND FAMILY AWAY FROM MINE!!!

You are SICKENING. The amount of CRAP you’re spewing on these boards is one thing, but the fact that you actually believe this stuff without UNDERSTANDING IT is even more disgusting. Feed your horses as you wish- I might not agree with it, I might even find it insane. But UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU EVER, EVER SAY IT’S “NOT MY PROBLEM” IF YOU DON’T VACCINATE YOUR PETS.

Don’t tell me for ONE SECOND that you think it’s okay to put your non-vaccinated child or pet around others that don’t have their complete course of vaccines. Because then IT’S YOUR FAULT when others get sick. To be honest, I’m not even sure if I’m concerned with the risk of your pet/kids getting sick. YOU are responsible for them, I’m not. It’s a shame they were born into such a situation. To watch a 6 month old baby NEARLY DIE because another parent decided they were going to buy a ******* book that told them vaccines were “bad” is one of the most heartbreaking, unbearable things one can do. Perhaps you should give it a whirl. I promise you, until the day I die, it will change your life. It changes your perspective of helplessness and communal responsibility entirely. I can’t even put it into words.

Stay on your ******* island and stop putting others at risk.

[QUOTE=FrenchFrytheEqHorse;4944495]
No. This is COMPLETELY WRONG. If my baby, who hasn’t received his full course of MMR vaccines due to his age (full course is completed at approx. 1 year), contracts measles from YOUR CHILD THAT YOU CHOSE NOT TO VACCINATE, I HAVE SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT. [/QUOTE]

Vaccination does not prevent someone exposed to the virus or whatever, from shedding it and exposing others, in fact it can make it more likely.

DISCLAIMER

I am NOT a scientist, doctor, or New Age-non-vaxing-practitioner.

END DISCLAIMER

I AM, however, a librarian with a Master’s in Library and Information Science. I AM qualified to evaluate websites as to their accuracy, impartiality, veracity, and currency.

Shirley’s Wellness Cafe definitely has an agenda. It’s also full of links that sound promising, but actually lead to other things entirely. Citations are not given, and so on. It’s crappy science. It also leads to links for products, which is a dead giveaway for a lousy website.

We want a website that gives COLD, HARD facts–monographs, peer-review journals, things of that nature–but these seem to be beyond your scope, caballus. This is what irritates people–the fuzzy testimonials instead of facts and actual, verified reports (because that’s NOT what Shirley’s Feelgood Cafe is giving us).

Kim

[QUOTE=Androcles;4944518]
Vaccination does not prevent someone exposed to the virus or whatever, from shedding it and exposing others, in fact it can make it more likely.[/QUOTE]

So along that logic, we should all stop vaccinating our kids because we’re just creating a mass of shedder! Seriously? All the more reason a kid/pet should be vaccinated. PROTECTION. PREVENTION.

I thought that was what Androcles was suggesting???

[QUOTE=FrenchFrytheEqHorse;4944618]
So along that logic, we should all stop vaccinating our kids because we’re just creating a mass of shedder! Seriously? All the more reason a kid/pet should be vaccinated. PROTECTION. PREVENTION.[/QUOTE]

No. But your leper colony idea doesn’t protect you because those people are no more risking you than the vaccinated ones.

However, if there are virtually no cases of a communicable disease in a given area due to either vaccination, eradication of vectors, etc. then everyone in the area is at a lower risk. A communicable disease has to be spread somehow, and if it is virtually nonexistent then everyone’s odds are better. ONE OF the ways to make a disease virtually nonexistent is by widespread vaccination. Perfect? No. Best when very, very closely adhered to? YES. Starting to slip in areas where selfish yuppie paranoia (“MY child is too precious to vaccinate, let those OTHER kids get their shots and my poopsie will ride on their coattails”) prevails? Yup.