CREST Toothpaste for Sarcoids?

[kdow]

[QUOTE=Androcles;4944518]
Vaccination does not prevent someone exposed to the virus or whatever, from shedding it and exposing others, in fact it can make it more likely.[/QUOTE]

If the majority of the other people (or horses) around that person (or horse) are also vaccinated, the chances of those people (or horses) actually getting sick from the pathogen are greatly reduced, so that instance of the pathogen ‘dies out’ rather than spreading through the community. That’s the herd immunity business - the percentage of the population that needs to be vaccinated to get the benefit of herd immunity varies by pathogen, I believe. (Probably to do with how easy it is to transmit and how likely someone is to get it after being exposed, but that’s just a guess.)

That’s my understanding, anyway. I am not an immunologist or even a doctor or nurse, so I haven’t been reading the proper medical papers on these issues.

(Also, re: the autism thing. :rolleyes: Why is there not a beating-head-against-desk smiley option?)

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

[QUOTE=deltawave;4944647]
However, if there are virtually no cases of a communicable disease in a given area due to either vaccination, eradication of vectors, etc. then everyone in the area is at a lower risk. A communicable disease has to be spread somehow, and if it is virtually nonexistent then everyone’s odds are better. ONE OF the ways to make a disease virtually nonexistent is by widespread vaccination. Perfect? No. Best when very, very closely adhered to? YES. Starting to slip in areas where selfish yuppie paranoia (“MY child is too precious to vaccinate, let those OTHER kids get their shots and my poopsie will ride on their coattails”) prevails? Yup.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I am glad to see logic is not lost on everyone.

[chaltagor]

[QUOTE=caballus;4944409]
nosodes are effective, just as much as vaccines and even possibly more effective. Without the side effects. And yes, people use them and have titres pulled.[/QUOTE]

And what does this accomplish?

[caballus]

Nosodes work ‘pretty much’ in the same way as vaccines only are administered by mouth so the body reacts in the way it would as if exposed to the actual ‘bug’. The nosode will ‘jumpstart’ the immune system to build the antibodies needed for immunization against the specific ‘invader’. Nosodes are made from the actual disease. i.e. Lyssin, the Nosode for Rabies, is made from a rabid dog.

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

I think there’s something to be said for a type of secondary placebo effect when dealing with animals and alternative medicine. I truly believe owners see what they want to see- callabus likely truly believes her horses are healthier eating the diet of a vegan ape and going without vital vaccinations. Any evidence to the contrary would be absolutely unrelated to her program, and probably due to the “depleted immune systems” her rescue horses came to her with. I mean, seriously, just imagine what the horses would be like if, heaven forbid, they ate a diet designed for an equine??! They’d probably keel over…

[rcloisonne]

[QUOTE=Androcles;4944518]
Vaccination does not prevent someone exposed to the virus or whatever, from shedding it and exposing others, in fact it can make it more likely.[/QUOTE]
You do know the vast majority of vaccines are composed of killed virus, right? Killed means there is no way in hell the recipient can shed live virus. Good grief people! Educate yourselves before making pronouncements and life affecting decisions.

Caballus believes in magical thinking and all the facts in the world aren’t going to change her mind. I’m still waiting to hear how she justfies using Crest toothpaste, which contains a plethora of man-made chemicals produced in chemical factories, on her horse?

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=caballus;4945256]
Nosodes work ‘pretty much’ in the same way as vaccines only are administered by mouth so the body reacts in the way it would as if exposed to the actual ‘bug’. The nosode will ‘jumpstart’ the immune system to build the antibodies needed for immunization against the specific ‘invader’. Nosodes are made from the actual disease. i.e. Lyssin, the Nosode for Rabies, is made from a rabid dog.[/QUOTE] Great! Sounds perfectly safe and sensible swallowing something made from diseased body fluids and tissues.

There’s considerable controversy even in homeopathic circles about nosodes. To pretend there’s some accepted truth on this issue is totally ridiculous and absurd.

There’s not.

Classical homeopaths rarely use nosodes and when they do, they use them in ways that do not make them a “substitute” for vaccination.

No doubt though Caballus will be finding a load of bollocks off the internet to say that nosodes are perfectly safe and also a much better solution than vaccinations and that by some miracle they get from your stomach to where they need to be to be effective. You never know we might be really lucky and get a photo with a nice little aura too. :winkgrin:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=caballus;4945256]
Nosodes work ‘pretty much’ in the same way as vaccines only are administered by mouth so the body reacts in the way it would as if exposed to the actual ‘bug’. The nosode will ‘jumpstart’ the immune system to build the antibodies needed for immunization against the specific ‘invader’. Nosodes are made from the actual disease. i.e. Lyssin, the Nosode for Rabies, is made from a rabid dog.[/QUOTE]

I expect someone not aware how the digestive system works to believe some stuff like that.:rolleyes:

Folks, get educated, but truly educated, before you believe such completely nutty ideas, that don’t make any sense with what we know of the world around us.
Definitively, don’t trust yours or your animal’s lives to that kind of pure nonsense.:eek:

[deltawave]

So Gwen, would you have pity on someone who gets a bit seasick reading some of your long-winded cut-and-paste jobs and please post the citations you mentioned where there are well done randomized trials of nosodes showing efficacy, titers, etc.?

PS, “citation” generally means something published, peer-reviewed, and subjected to external controls. A link to Shirley’s Wellness Cafe is not a “citation” in this sense. Especially when this disclaimer is posted front and center in between paranoid rantings about “the establishment” and a bunch of cranks yodeling about how vigorous and healthy they are. IME (fairly selective, I realize) the people who use the most homeopathic, herbal and alternative products have the poorest perception of their own general health and the longest list of complaints. shrug

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[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=deltawave;4945340]
So Gwen, would you have pity on someone who gets a bit seasick reading some of your long-winded cut-and-paste jobs and please post the citations you mentioned where there are well done randomized trials of nosodes showing efficacy, titers, etc.?

PS, “citation” generally means something published, peer-reviewed, and subjected to external controls. A link to Shirley’s Wellness Cafe is not a “citation” in this sense.[/QUOTE] Spoil sport!

I want my photo with an aura. :yes:

[deltawave]

Thomas, few minutes with photoshop and your wish is granted. Attach a picture and I’ll use “the site” (my favorite LSJ-ism) to create your aura, FREE OF CHARGE!

[Thomas_1]

Hey, ![]( can do better than that!

I took a photo just the other week of a couple of mine and guess what??

Magical white light aura of Jesus!

It’s a miracle…the colt is blessed…

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/classic_carriages/new%20location/DSCF0060.jpg)

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/classic_carriages/new%20location/DSCF0064.jpg)

… oh sh** it’s not a miracle, it’s a smudgy finger print!! darn it!!

[deltawave]

The colt is blessed to live in such an unbelievably beautiful part of the world.

You need a lens cloth. :lol:

You think this picture of my preemie colt from this morning qualifies as showing an “aura”? I sort of figured the sun was to blame, but you KNOW, he was a sick little bugger when he was born: crooked, scours, down in his ankles–and now he’s BETTER. Healing powers from on high? :eek:

[caballus]

Not wastin’ anymore time or energy.
Have a nice day everyone.
Enjoy playin’ with yourselves.

[Bluey]

Don’t do facebook.

How about this evening, when the world had caught on fire and you can distinctly see five, count them, five spirits raising from the underworld.:eek:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Robintoo/Horses2-20-071048-1.jpg?t=1277649783

Horses were tucked safely under the barn, but decided to become invisible when all that was happening, a handy selfdefense mechanism of theirs.:yes:

There is so much out there we really don’t know about, is it.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=caballus;4945378]
Not wastin’ anymore time or energy.
Have a nice day everyone.
Enjoy playin’ with yourselves.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for giving us a chance to explain again why such nonsense as you posted is, with what we know today, well, just that, nonsense.

[deltawave]

Sorry Bluey, maybe this will work . . .

Dang, now Gwen is pouting and I’ll never get those excellent, well-done, peer-reviewed citations proving her right. Because heaven help me, I sure can’t find them on PubMed. :no:

[Bluey]

Oh, thank you, those are weird colors, are they.

I think that poster talking about anything to do with science is like me writing in English.
It comes out odd if not purely wrong, but I can’t tell, because I don’t know any better.

We both are trying, but the difference, I think, is that I am trying to learn.:yes:
That poster is convinced it already knows better than the rest of the world, that is wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=deltawave;4945375]
The colt is blessed to live in such an unbelievably beautiful part of the world.

You need a lens cloth. :lol:

You think this picture of my preemie colt from this morning qualifies as showing an “aura”? I sort of figured the sun was to blame, but you KNOW, he was a sick little bugger when he was born: crooked, scours, down in his ankles–and now he’s BETTER. Healing powers from on high? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Regrettably I can’t access your photo so can’t see the miraculous aura. I’m thinking you made it up and mine’s bigger and better than yours :winkgrin:

Bluey’s sky on fire and the spirits rising is a very nice photo. I’ll have to see if I can get a nice sunset AND an aura when I go out later to turn my lot out for the night.

[Thomas_1]

[QUOTE=deltawave;4945400]
Sorry Bluey, maybe this will work . . .

Dang, now Gwen is pouting and I’ll never get those excellent, well-done, peer-reviewed citations proving her right. Because heaven help me, I sure can’t find them on PubMed. :no:[/QUOTE] Aura? That’s not an aura… it’s a bucket.

Cute foal though :yes: