Dehydration/minor colic JINGLES needed

What a sad, sad, thread. I hope the situation resolves with a minimum of hurt and upset for all involved.

And just a quick word on service dogs: They can come in all shapes and sizes depending on what they are needed to do. A dog that needs to help person in a wheelchair, for example, does need to be a certain large size (to be able to retrieve the telephone, turn off a lightswitch, act as a physical support when the human needs to more into or out of the wheelchair, etc.), whereas a seizure alert dog just has to reliably give a certain signal that a seizure is imminent to alert the person who’s about to seize that one is coming. This could be a yip from a little five pound dog, or a tackle from a Great Dane (although probably not, but you get my point :wink: ). Dogs to help the hearing impaired are frequently small (but frequently barkybarkybarky and bouncy and exuberant), and sometimes family pets end up falling into the role of service dog, even though they were never formally trained or placed by one of the “official” service dog organizations.

As a trainer (though not of service dogs per se), I have helped a couple of folks make their (suitable) pets fulfill more of a service animal role, as they could not find service dog organizations that would train their current pet as part of their “official” program (there are legitimate reasons for that, I am not criticising). But just because those dogs didn’t come from one of the big, recognizeable organizations doesn’t in any way lessen their usefulness and importance to those they aid.

In any case mighty jingles to all involved.

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Dalfan states:

""Is there no way to step back from this posture? If she does indeed have a “brain injury”, then her reactions/responses/behavior/noncommunitiveness could be a result of this injury, coupled with the stress of the last few weeks of moving cross-country. Is there no way to perhaps start over, having a clearing of the air, an understanding of certain parameters of living on your property? All the while keeping in mind her processes and perspective could be skewed from her injury.

I feel terrible for you CH, but I also feel for Chanter. I couldn’t imagine the loneliness and isolation she must feel having really no one in the world (family) that cares for and loves her. “”


Finally, a solution from Dalfan.

Chanter can go live with Dalfan. Dalfan can give the Love. Great idea! or is it only a great idea if she lives with someone else? You should step up, Dalfan, if you can so easily try to push something like that on someone else.

Now, now eggy. Is your heart made of stone? Such a sad situation for all involved, I’m sure you’re snarkiness is appreciated.

If memory serves, and it usually does, aren’t you supposed to have me on ignore??

Let’s not make this about US.

Sadly, when you aren’t logged in you can even see the ignored.

Seriously, if you feel so strongly about it, open your heart, open your home, as you think others should do. Iif you aren’t willing to do that then you know what you should do.

CH has graciously opened her home, but since the majority on this board don’t know the details of what is going on (rightly so,imo), I was just wondering if the situation could be salvaged.

Sadly, when you aren’t logged in you can even see the ignored.

Right. I have a feeling I’ll catch you again not keeping your word.:lol:

I think CH has said in almost every one of her posts that Chanter can not stay. From what it sounds like, there is no possible way for this to happen.

As was said in the other thread, and in this thread several times over as well, Chanter needs professional help.

Oh please, this mud slinging is not going to solve the problem. And this Internet BB isn’t going to solve it either BUT if people keep throwing ideas out here, perhaps just one of them will be the gateway to a resolution for Chantershelper (and Chanter). No one person can think of everything, and especially in a situation like this where it appears to be far more complicated and serious than originally thought. BBs are a place to bring people together to share experiences, ideas, problems, suggestions and hopefully solutions – and let’s not forget that they also can serve as a comforting support system during trying times. Not every post can be bright and flowery – that isn’t the real world after all. People have problems – that is life! And horsepeople are no exception!

Chantershelper is in the midst of a magnanimous problem right now, through no fault of her own (except for her very, very kind heart :yes: ). Not only does she have Chanter on her property but Chanter’s two horses are there too. Chanter has no money to move herself, let alone her horses. And, she has no place to go. This poor person (CH) and her husband who tried to help a fellow horseperson needs help now. And about the only thing any of us can realistically do is offers ideas, suggestions, information, and support. And I’m sure if any of us were in her shoes, we would sure appreciate those things. :yes:

In the long run, whatever solution comes about, Chanter herself will not be forgotten. No one is suggesting that Chanter be tossed out on the street – she obviously needs assistance, and hopefully the proper professionals can be brought in to make that happen.

Very, very sad for all involved. :cry:

Abused elderly or disabled persons may be isolated or ill; they may lack a capable or willing caregiver, or the resources to meet their basic living requirements.

Any aged or disabled adult who is in a state of abuse, neglect, or exploitation is eligible to receive adult protective services.

Victims of abuse, neglect, or exploitation may receive short-term services such as emergency shelter, home repair, meals, transportation, help with financial management, home health services, and medical and mental health services.

I found that right on the website of Adult Services, Texas. There is help, I don’t understand why… no one is calling these people.???

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Adult_Protection/About_Adult_Protective_Services/APS_facts.asp

And, no, I am not suggesting she is being abused or exploited. however one can realistically figure that this agency deals with Adults with disabilities that are in difficulty of one type or another.

Texas is part of the 211 system. If you have not done so already, you can either call 211 off a landline phone or Google Texas 211. It appears there is a pretty good database of social services depending on your location.

I feel for Chanter, CH and the others who are trying to help in this situation. It is time for a crash course in local service programs.

I think Canter’s Helper (no clue whatof her real identitiy) is handling this very tactfully.

Not long ago, I met a family that were having problems, and felt badly, and did great deal to help them out. After some time it became apparent that, though they indeed were in a genuinely bad sistuation, they frequently exercised exceedingly poor judgement and, until that changed, would find themselves in one bad situatio after another. I had become friends with these folks, and ending up having to distance myself from them, because it was upsetting to see them repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, and feel like I should ‘help’.

This is not meant as an “I-told-you-so”, but as a cautionary tale: some times people in bad situations put themselves there, and will do so again at the first opportunity.

chantershelper i have been thinking a lot since my last post –

as regards to your arguement –

now if you are a normal person which you are then the stress of moving is
normal say 100 % equals 85% to a normal bod

now chnater has issues with her brain everyone thinks shes unstable which judging by her psots shes does get her point across- so says hers is 70%

now think this – you moved strsseful – she moved but had other stresses on top which we all know about— but the arguement kinda suck in my mind

as idont know what itwas about icant say for sure so iam going to do a a series of sernerios – which one is closes to the turth only you can tell but think of consegunces - i say this becuase i understand more than most
what could be presecieve as normal when in fact it isnt –

so –
1— words to words – people normal say get knoted
2–shouting and screaming-- doesnt resolve but makes you feel uptight
3-- waving arms about shounting and screaming — can be presecieve as a fret—
4- shouting screaming waving arms about with a whip in hand—
can be presiceive as a fret—

in each case - one would walk away and not talk to you

but if you came from aplace that frehteing you and hit you then you would think here we go again— would you not –

isay this becuase – in normal circumstances a perosn shouting screaming and waving a whip about --in an arguement – would say wtf -------on planet do you come from and either shout back or full blown fisty cuffs
as it heated and heated

the thing is you are all stressed out for different reasons-- and in normal perosn when moving takes a while for things to settle down and go into a rountine of mundane things – just like when ahorse settles into nerw enviroment which all of yours have including chanter and her lot
but chanter has had other stresses and strains and being safe–

so would take longer – i know what being safe is when one has been abused – i have both mentally and pysically – time – and patience
but time is the most important one

everyone including me had a go but then ithougtht what about if iwas inher psotion your psotion your dh position-- its not about authorites

its about personalities – you have – you ,dh - ( and family if you havetehm) plus dogs and horses – your and hers–new place new things new shops – new house - new --its all new

and in this newness you have aceepted another – person – and all those personalties it will be rocky to begin with becuse no one knows what the other hand is doing–as ther is heaps of persoanities on top
what i surgest – is a peice offering – a appology from both from all
as i said before head banging to gether

and think this to shouting and argueing doesnt get anyone anything but hardship – so big mug of tea-- she might not be talking to you but she can read-- if shes got a self contain flat or wahtever then -

1 chat to dh— and just cool it for a while – llet chanter come round in her own time — trust isnt there –
yet and thats what everbody has fogotten–

chanter cant trust as she was avitim of abuse and anything thats scary
as in argueing shouting waving arms or whips she will see that as a fret
and so not to upset nor talk shes walked away and shuned herself
becuase she cant deal with it alll on top off everthing esle

shes fighting to keep her diginty same as you said privicy and dignity
but shes come from a abusive sitiation – its not easy for her to come to terms with that shes safe – if an arguement shes see that as a fret i bet

so what she do-- she shout her mouth off bb – not thinking that it upsets people becuase no body understands her properly

give her a chance to come out of her shell-- and to build trust with people she doesnt know – is hard for her at the moement

[QUOTE=A. P.;2171055]
I think Canter’s Helper (no clue whatof her real identitiy) is handling this very tactfully.

Not long ago, I met a family that were having problems, and felt badly, and did great deal to help them out. After some time it became apparent that, though they indeed were in a genuinely bad sistuation, they frequently exercised exceedingly poor judgement and, until that changed, would find themselves in one bad situatio after another. I had become friends with these folks, and ending up having to distance myself from them, because it was upsetting to see them repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, and feel like I should ‘help’.

This is not meant as an “I-told-you-so”, but as a cautionary tale: some times people in bad situations put themselves there, and will do so again at the first opportunity.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Wherever you go, there you are.

goeslikestink - you are indeed a very wise person. I really admire you. :yes:

Maybe I missed another post, but all I saw CH say about the situation is this:

I did lose my temper at one point with her yesterday and I always think things could have been handled or said better or differently when things go south.

Have you been talking to Chanter?

I’m wondering the same thing… Knowing what (limited) information I know, this post makes me really wonder…

Steph

Exactly. I am trying to put things together. Chanter REALLY needs to get the help she needs, and I hope she is able to get it. There is a pattern developing, that is for sure. It’s very sad. But in another post CH said Chanter felt she had been lied to, mistreated and stuff like that. Again.

CH, I hope you are able to find the right people to take care of her, they are out there. I am sorry you have to deal with all of this on top of having just made a huge move.

nope - i just giving it a lot of thought becuase chnaterhelper wanted constructive help – not redicled help–

so i asked myself – being that i have been abused-- and drawn on my own expereinces to see what i see as real—

real being a victim – only peole that have been in same senerios - would understand

see it doesnt just affect the victim but the family with that victim and some freinds to in soem cases you lose them–
but chnater has lose her family from her brain injury becuase they didnt understand her needs or her wants and we all have wants and needs

but what ido understand is abusive – see one thing i have in common with chanter – i shut myself off to—her horses are her firends her family her life same to as her dogs-- they are her family – her only family of whome she trusts

me-- i have a faimly of whome know all – thats my kids and hubby i have one sister thats stays- out of my family group – the others havent to include my brother my sister my mum and dad— saying that both aprent are dead
but my love of my life and work for what i work for and understand is to rescue horses in abusive situtations – i nver gave it much thought as to why i do it till today-- on here

why becuase i undersatnd them vets and people that know me know iam gifted or so they say becuase you can give me the worse horse and i will turn it aorund i am not talking just underweight ones but aggreiissive defensive ones that have been abused or tramatised –
its becuase i have been i understand what makes them tick –

so i have an understanding of what makes chanter tick—
and any kind of raised voice, a riase arm wether frethening or not
is a clear danger sign-- to one that has been abused either mentally or pysically —

think about it for a minute –

So Chanter HAS family and they just don’t associate with her?

Steph

think this – for a sec –

your alseep someone breaks in and goes thorugh your draws pulling your underwear out and gong down personal effects—

you dont know till you wake up–

aa dream-- or real – you look its real
could you sleep in that same bed , house room

woulkd you feel vilated and frethend
you ever feel safe again – in a moment , next day next week

or would it take time –

GLS,

I understand being a victim. I won’t go into my experiences here, but I’ve BTDT and came really close to losing my pony when someone OD’ed her on drugs and threatened my life. I’ve BTDT with the psycho ex that tried to kill my family and kidnap me.

You’re only a victim as long as you choose to be a victim. It’s easy to hide behind that pity me I’ve been through hell, but I have an effin life to live and I refuse to let myself stay there. Some people like the pity me act…

Chanter is too savvy, she’s BTDT before I believe. I believed that before she ever went to Texas when I talked to her.