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DESPERATE TO MOVE! They're here! pg 26

Off Course
#261

Actually, YankeeLawyer, I have a lot of experience dealing with government agencies around the holidays, particularly those who serve individuals with disabilities including mental health and developmental disabilities issues. For the past 20 years I have consulted to various government agencies of this type in Washington, DC, so I know what red tape is like. Prior to that, I worked with such agencies in Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, and Michigan. I spend my days in some of the most difficult agencies in Washington, and in some of the most “challenged” neighborhoods.

My experience, training, and professional knowledge led me to say what I did. And I stand by it.

#262

I think Rebecca is headed in the right direction with this. Chanter may need more long term support. The agency will be able to access any of the programs needed along with her personal information/background to help with care.
Immediate help is good right now
but help for the long-term seems to be what is needed.

#263

I Have A Friend and made the contacts to have her well being checked on

This is horrible for all of us to sit and read and not know just what to do, I know I can’t offer anything other than the advice I have given~ I am very concerned for her and for her safety I got in direct contact with a friend who put me in contact with the Deputy Chief of Police Ocala Police Department I just got this e-mail from him.

It sounds as if the place where this has occurred is not within our jurisdiction. It will be within the jurisdiction of the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. I will get all this information directly to them and we will be checking on the well being of the person mentioned and get her any proper assistance needed.
If I can help you any further, please contact me.

Greg Graham
Deputy Chief of Police
Ocala Police Department

No booooo’s and being upset with me, we can go over and over and over this and the bottom line is her life and safety is what matters, I would rather contact someone that can check on her well being and know that there are many concerned for her safety and what is going on and get the ball rolling for additional help for her then to perhaps read a horrible story and say I wish I would have done something::wink: By all means it has all got to start somewhere and I know she is scared, confussed plus her disabilities but as we all agree we can talk about it daily but we can not do nothing if she won’t help her self~ If and when I get and up date from the police or sheriff I will let you all know~Chanter Hugs & Prayers to you

#264

[QUOTE=Bogey2;2099477]
I think Rebecca is headed in the right direction with this.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I usually don’t post on threads like this one, but this one is getting seriously scary.

People can have one more than one type of problem.

You cannot save everyone, certainly not by yourselves!!

#265

Any news on Chanter?

It’s Fri Dec 29th, any news form Chanter from today, do we have an update?
I know its early morning right now, but I wondered if anyone had actually spoken to her last night.
Yours
MW

#266

YES - Thank you Doodlebugg

I, for one, applaud you for taking this positive action to “get the ball rolling” so to speak. I’ve been following this thread but quite frankly, being very far away from the location, did not feel that there was anything that I could personally do to help in this immediate crisis. There has been some very good advice given here (as well as some advice that sounds good at first glance but in reality is probably beyond Chanter’s ability to act upon at this time). I think that we all can agree that Chanter needs help, but none of us can truly know just what kind of help is needed as this is not something that can be assessed on an internet BB.

By alerting the “authorities” through her friend (and contact), I believe that Doodlebugg has taken the most positive action thus far in terms of getting “real” help for Chanter. I hope that the follow up “investigation” will indeed be productive and this nightmare can end quickly for Chanter.

While some of the story leaves unanswered questions, which in turn can lead to skepticism about the circumstances in general, I think that we all need to accept the fact that "there but for the grace of God, go I ". And because Chanter is alone in this world and has no family to provide a “safe place to fall”, she has reached out to her COTH family in her time of need and desperation. She is a horsewoman at heart and as such, who better to reach out to than her horse “family”. And as part of that “family” I know that I want only the best for her.

Chanter, please check in and let us know that you are all right.

(((Jingles)))

#267

[QUOTE=Bogey2;2099477]
I think Rebecca is headed in the right direction with this. Chanter may need more long term support. The agency will be able to access any of the programs needed along with her personal information/background to help with care.
Immediate help is good right now
but help for the long-term seems to be what is needed.[/QUOTE]

B2, you hit this nail right on the head.

Chanter needs short term help. I’ve been watching this thread, and all of the concerns, skepticism, and warning bells have been going off in my head. But, having gotten this far, I think she’s really in need of some immediate change in her circumstance. So those of you working on helping her right now certainly are to be commended, and if you have the resources, it’s clearly the right thing to do.

And Chanter needs long term help. Yes, over the past year we’ve seen her go from one awful circumstance to another. She needs a way to break out of this cycle and get her life in order (as much as she is able to). And she’ll probably need help to do so, and that help should probably come from agencies that are set up specifically for someone with her disabilities.

So nobody’s totally right, nobody’s totally wrong. Those trying to get Chanter, her dogs and her horses out of that farm right now are doing the right thing. And those trying to get her in touch with authorities and agencies are ALSO doing the right thing.

Sorry to run so long, but I’m tired of everyone on this thread smacking at each other, instead of helping Chanter in whatever way is appropriate for each individual.

And Chanter, how are you doing?

#268

Has anyone here had physical, in person contact with Chanter? I love to hear from that person. This thread is so intriguing to me.

#269

But see the first problem is


[QUOTE=Rebe;2099680]
B2, you hit this nail right on the head.

Chanter needs short term help. I’ve been watching this thread, and all of the concerns, skepticism, and warning bells have been going off in my head. But, having gotten this far, I think she’s really in need of some immediate change in her circumstance. So those of you working on helping her right now certainly are to be commended, and if you have the resources, it’s clearly the right thing to do.

And Chanter needs long term help. Yes, over the past year we’ve seen her go from one awful circumstance to another. She needs a way to break out of this cycle and get her life in order (as much as she is able to). And she’ll probably need help to do so, and that help should probably come from agencies that are set up specifically for someone with her disabilities.

So nobody’s totally right, nobody’s totally wrong. Those trying to get Chanter, her dogs and her horses out of that farm right now are doing the right thing. And those trying to get her in touch with authorities and agencies are ALSO doing the right thing.

Sorry to run so long, but I’m tired of everyone on this thread smacking at each other, instead of helping Chanter in whatever way is appropriate for each individual.

And Chanter, how are you doing?[/QUOTE]
In order to help someone that have to be willing to accept help.
I find it incredibly wonderful the generosity of the people on this board, I fear for their generosity, Be careful. I fear Chaneter needs help that she alone can achieve, Not going from one situation to another. I do hope that Someone can meet with her and get her the help she needs.

#270

Hooray Doodlebugg!

Well done, you! All day yesterday I was wishing that someone could manage to actually go to the farm and assess the immediacy of the danger. I’m sure the guy is a king-size jerk, but it would be so much better (IMHO) if Chanter and any helpers had more time to think of a long-term solution rather than dealing with “we need out TODAY”.

Fingers crossed for a good outcome, and that 2007 is a better year for Chanter and her “kids”!!

#271

I have a service dog. She is a Boxer. There is no “requirement” for a service dog to be a specific breed.

Also, there isn’t a requirement for SDs to be altered. Mine is, but it was my choice. She was altered immediately before I took possession of her, at my request. There’s a good reason for keeping some SDs intact
 For example, mine is a seizure alert dog. It isn’t completely understood WHY these dogs are able to alert, possibly an inherited trait, so keeping them intact is important.

That said, the whole story sounds VERY fishy to me, too. :eek:

If her dogs are, indeed, SDs - then no landlord can refuse a rental unit based on the dogs. She can check out the ADA website for info on that. :wink: Get the horses out. Today. Call a rescue. Take someone up on the most generous offers that have been made. Do something. Now.

[QUOTE=arabhorse2;2097434]
I thought all service dogs for the handicapped have to be spayed or neutered? Why would Chanter have intact males in her possession, if that’s what they are? :confused: Seriously folks, I’m asking a legitimate question here.

And when did they authorize Shitzhus and Pit Bull crosses as service dogs? Those dogs are usually Goldens or Labradors.[/QUOTE]

#272

According to my att’y who is handling my Worker’s Comp. case and will be handling my State disability stuff (in the same state as Rebecca)
 the state pretty much won’t touch you until your Worker’s Comp. stuff is resolved. The Worker’s Comp. maze is an absolute nightmare and it is not advisable to try to get through it without the aid of a qualified attorney.

If she chooses to go straight to the state because she is no longer involved with Worker’s Comp. (assuming her TBI occured on the job) or the time statutes have run out, the reality of applying for such assistance is that it’s pretty much par for the course that they reject you for assistance at least twice before they issue benefits. That means you have to fill out the paperwork (and there is much of it) 3 times and not only that, they often require addt’l independant medical exams (professionals hired by them to evaluate the applicant). You are subject to having them schedule the appointment for you and you’d better be there reguardless of whatever else might be going on in your life. That’s a royal PITA when you have to rely on others for transportation
 and even if Chanter can drive most of the time, there are diagnostic proceedures used when evaluating a person with seizures that can trigger a seizure so it would be wise for her to have someone transport her to and especially from the appointment (even better if they could stick around for awhile after the return home to monitor her in case she needs addt’l assistance).

From what I’ve gone through, I can certainly understand how Chanter could become despondant about trying to get “disability” help. I have a living parent to help me and even with that, it’s just such a trying process. I can’t imagine wading through all that paperwork myself
 it just wouldn’t happen. I can’t hold my level of concentration that long to get through pages and pages of questions that ask about all the ways the disability has affected your life. Not only is there the concentration issue (common with TBI), it is emotionally draining to go through every single detail. I honestly cannot sit down in one session and try to think of all the things in my life that I’ve had to change because I would most certainly have a complete meltdown. Plus, there are so many “not normal” things that we’ve had to do that have become “normal” that it doesn’t even occur to me/ mom that it’s not “normal” to have to do things that way. It’s not necessarily so much a matter of not being able to accept help, it’s more of a matter of the gargantuan effort required to get through all the mazes and traps that have been put in place to attempt to keep the fakers out of the system
 and by the time that is all done, there is nothing left to lobby to help change the system to make it more accessable to those who really need the help.

#273

still has anyone heard from Chanter?? I just want to continue saying that I’d like to see her find a better place for the animals along with SOME resolution. This has been going on for several days now and has there been any? I applaud Rebecca for her opinion and agree with it. Chanter needs help but, none of us have the ability to help her
reallly. She needs professional help. Maybe from a state run facility
who knows. Get the animals out
all of them and now. If I knew the facility I’d be on the phone with athorities concerning the animals. Please excuse my spelling I’m only a horse trainer


#274

Thank you TBsRgr8. You hit the nail on the head here. I have been in contact with Chanter quite a bit and am acting as her message service since her computer crashed. She has been to various appointments to try to get help but they all hand her a pile of paperwork and an appointment for “next year”. The paperwork is daunting to someone who hasn’t suffered a TBI much less someone who has. She is trying to help herself but is just rather overwhelmed right now.

Doodlebug, thank you for having someone check on her situation. She is less fearful for herself and animals right now since the authorities have been involved. She has been given an eviction notice but the barn manager sems to be laying off of the harrassment for now and the other horses that she was worried about are suddenly being cared for. It is nice to have that continuing presence though. She really does appreciate your concern too.

For those screaming about her not accepting the offers, you might be surprised at some of the strings attached to some of the offers. Some are just plain too far or too temporary to be feasible. I am, along with a handful of others, trying to help her sort through the legitimate ofers and still come up with a plan of attack. She appreciates ALL of the offers but she has to be practical. If it takes all of her resources to move to a location with no real opportunities for advancing her position, it hasn’t really helped.

I ask of you, PLEASE, if you can’t help physically, jingle. But please don’t muddy this post with the snarky, mean spirited posts that we then have to wade through like a muddy manure pit just to sort out any legitimate help. I am spending quite a bit of time on the computer and phone with her each night and find it really sad to have to weed through these nasty posts just to see if there is a glimmer of hope. You know, my mother always used to tell me; If you’re not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I am sure many of you have doubts and are just tryingto protect those of us that are more willing to jump first and ask questions later but PLEASE, just this one time I ask, keep the opinions to yourself unless they directly affect the outcome of this situation. She is not depending solely upon this board but has seen what COTHers can do in an emergency and was hoping for suggestions and concrete leads not a hand out. She is pounding the pavement locally and making contacts between her appointments but, as I said, it is hard to find an immediate placement for a “family” like hers.

So please everyone, if this is driving you crazy and you don’t have anything positive to say, walk away! It’s easy:eek: :smiley:

Thank you!

(off the soap box now):eek:

#275

horsesourcetexas - chanter is lucky to have you! But, since a BB is intended to allow people to chat and post opinions (good luck getting people to stop!), perhaps it would be better to ask people with offers of help to communicate by way of a PM to you? That way you won’t have to wade through this thread.

#276

Good grief is this thread still going?

#277

[QUOTE=Rodeio;2100336]
Good grief is this thread still going?[/QUOTE]

Yes, many of us are keeping watch because we are worried about Chanter and her “kids”.

thanks HST for keeping us updated!!

#278

That’s not as bad as it sounds. Today is the last business day of 2006. “Next Year” is in 3 days.

Jingles for Chanter and her animals – horsesourcetexas, bless you, you are a saint (I already knew that, but you are confirming it :winkgrin: ).

– Flip

#279

I hope I am misunderstanding the above sentence.

Otherwise, I think a more appropriate place to get better “bids” for assistance would be on ebay.

I never do understand public pleas for threads to only contain certain points of view. Especially when several people make that kind of request, but have way different ideas of what the thread should contain.

I consider being skeptical a positive thing. Someone else might not. Sometimes you can get dozens of different ideas on what should or should not be in a thread. So how does that work - like, is there an official thread monitor of such things? As long as I am not being mean (per my definition), I always ignore requests like that, but if there is an official coin flipper on such things, I may reconsider my position.

There is probably a thread monitor clique that I’ve been left out of - figures. At least I am not the thread killer I used to be.

#280

[QUOTE=Rebe;2099680]
B2, you hit this nail right on the head.

Chanter needs short term help. I’ve been watching this thread, and all of the concerns, skepticism, and warning bells have been going off in my head. But, having gotten this far, I think she’s really in need of some immediate change in her circumstance. So those of you working on helping her right now certainly are to be commended, and if you have the resources, it’s clearly the right thing to do.

And Chanter needs long term help. Yes, over the past year we’ve seen her go from one awful circumstance to another. She needs a way to break out of this cycle and get her life in order (as much as she is able to). And she’ll probably need help to do so, and that help should probably come from agencies that are set up specifically for someone with her disabilities.

So nobody’s totally right, nobody’s totally wrong. Those trying to get Chanter, her dogs and her horses out of that farm right now are doing the right thing. And those trying to get her in touch with authorities and agencies are ALSO doing the right thing.

Sorry to run so long, but I’m tired of everyone on this thread smacking at each other, instead of helping Chanter in whatever way is appropriate for each individual.

And Chanter, how are you doing?[/QUOTE]

I agree; thank you.

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