Um, not necessarily. Depends on how “hands on” they are with their horses. Some watch everything, others watch nothing. Same with trainers.
I wonder what this will mean for Saugerties. He is entered in classes tomorrow.
Saugerties - like any show- can refuse entries. And he can certainly scratch, which would cost his clients beaucoup bucks.
But wouldn’t the physical injury to the horse(s) still be evident this close to HC ?
It is doubtful that noticeable “sores” or irritation would be healed within such a small time frame, all Saugerties would have to do is take a look at the horses legs.
If there are no issues, then he can compete (unless the show declares him Persona non Grata , and I believe they are within their rights to do if they so choose).
Yikes. What a sad, disappointing, despicable behavior on the part of Devin Ryan.
In addition to this^^ It is very unlikely a groom would randomly sore an entire string of jumpers without any direction from the owner/trainer of said horses.
I don’t show and have no clue about these things, so am asking for my own education…:
Since this is alleged “soring” (at least that’s what I glean from the story), are there DQP’s like at TWH shows that check pasterns, etc. for signs of soring (scars, wavy hair, etc.)?
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Um, not necessarily. Depends on how “hands on” they are with their horses. Some watch everything, others watch nothing. Same with trainers.[/QUOTE]
What a great reason to follow the spoiled little shit approach to riding and showing. You get to claim ignorance/“innocence” while being handed the reins when it’s time to ride, handing the reins back as soon as you leave the ring, and get to talk about how much you love your horse.
Yup, I’m a little bitter. A little bitter about my former life as a horse show groom, and a whole lot bitter about what people will do for a ribbon.
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I will wait for official review before believing tittle tattle on a board
I can see a different scenario
grooms use a new product or one that has gone off for rub down and leg wrap
legs react and inflame
trainer and riders report to office and after consult withdraw[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and maybe they used a leg poultice that had been left sitting in a trailer for two years. You know, stuff like that happens…
/sarcasm/
He is currently sitting third in the level 6s at Saugerties with CELEBES ROBUSTA. I have no idea which horses were found to be sored at the Hampton classic.
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What a great reason to follow the spoiled little shit approach to riding and showing. You get to claim ignorance/“innocence” while being handed the reins when it’s time to ride, handing the reins back as soon as you leave the ring, and get to talk about how much you love your horse.
Yup, I’m a little bitter. A little bitter about my former life as a horse show groom, and a whole lot bitter about what people will do for a ribbon.[/QUOTE]
Thats why the new rules will allow inclusion of the rider in violations.
It kind of sounds like the authorities are involved, as in civil charges filed in that jurisdiction.
Thus needed to happen, time to get this dirty little secret out from under the carpet…or boot…
I am surprised that he is showing. I guess he has no shame. I wonder how his fellow riders are treating him? Probably just the same as they always have. 
Even if there’s been no USEF finding, a show is within its rights to refuse to allow someone to show. I know of at least once situation where the USEF did not sanction a member and an AA horse show nonetheless asked that person not to return the following year due to an unsportsmanlike incident at the prior year’s show (and that person did not return).
Sophie Simpson is suspended by the FEI (and thus USEF) for capsaicin.
I am surprised that Devin Ryan has not been suspended. It shows the snails pace in which the USEF functions. Recommended for charges of abuse and still showing?
Shame on USEF.
2 things. First, Sophie Simpson was provisionally suspended. I think that’s an important distinction. http://www.worldofshowjumping.com/en/News/FEI-President-pushes-clean-sport-message-after-provisional-suspensions.html
Second, I feel better that DR is at HITS so that show management can keep an eye on him. I hate to think about what goes on behind closed doors if this is what you do in a public setting…
hey HITS; WHY is this man showing today???
Chronicle of the Horse has updated their article with comments from one of the stewards. Horses confirmed to have serious marks on their legs
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2 things. First, Sophie Simpson was provisionally suspended. I think that’s an important distinction. http://www.worldofshowjumping.com/en/News/FEI-President-pushes-clean-sport-message-after-provisional-suspensions.html
Second, I feel better that DR is at HITS so that show management can keep an eye on him. I hate to think about what goes on behind closed doors if this is what you do in a public setting…[/QUOTE]
Anyone who’s horse tests positive for banned substances is “provisionally” suspended until their hearing with the FEI tribunal. There is no “important distinction”. They are suspended. The horse has tested positive.
They can appeal to have it lifted which Geurdat did (successfully, which is a rare outcome) just like any other suspended person, but this suspension is no different than any other FEI banned substance suspension process.
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Anyone who’s horse tests positive for banned substances is “provisionally” suspended until their hearing with the FEI tribunal. There is no “important distinction”. They are suspended. The horse has tested positive.[/QUOTE]
It’s a distinction from the USEF process, where suspension occurs only after a hearing. Perhaps that’s something USEF should look into changing in the future, but they do have to apply their current procedures to the current incident.
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I am surprised that he is showing. I guess he has no shame. I wonder how his fellow riders are treating him? Probably just the same as they always have. :([/QUOTE]
What I find more unbelievable is that all his owners haven’t pulled their horses…they can no longer claim ignorance 
. If I had with him I would have been there immediately with a trailer to take my horses away. Incidents like this is why I refuse to sign any contracts that demand 30-60 day notice be given to a trainer before pulling a horse out of training.
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What I find more unbelievable is that all his owners haven’t pulled their horses…they can no longer claim ignorance . If I had with him I would have been there immediately with a trailer to take my horses away. Incidents like this is why I refuse to sign any contracts that demand 30-60 day notice be given to a trainer before pulling a horse out of training.[/QUOTE]
That is the part that just shocks me no end. It doesn’t seem to matter what the discipline is, or how horrendous the abuse. The owners don’t pull the horses and stop it.
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It’s a distinction from the USEF process, where suspension occurs only after a hearing. Perhaps that’s something USEF should look into changing in the future, but they do have to apply their current procedures to the current incident.[/QUOTE]
Yes. However USEF observes reciprocity with the FEI and so in the case of Sophie Simpson she is suspended by USEF as well, until she can clear herself with the FEI at a hearing (or not).
It’s just ridiculous to have Devin Ryan showing horses after 5 were found sore.
USEF really needs to get their priorities in order and clean up the doping/abuse problem. It amazes me how they move at a snails pace where rules re doping are concerned. If the FEI isn’t involved, this guy may not be punished by USEF until sometime next year.
