It’s Bay
I love bay horses. To me, a plain bay is anything but plain.
Other breeds that were not high in population numbers have come into vogue and have succeeded in the popularity game.
Thomas_1, the horse whose photo you posted is stunning. What is the breeding-- % of CB? Is the CB on the mare side or the stallion side?
I love bay horses. To me, a plain bay is anything but plain.
I agree!! Couldn’t have said it any better!
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p448/toeknee16t/Trial%20and%20Error%20AKA%20Alf/FALLWAREDACAPRELIM07_edited.jpg & http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p448/toeknee16t/Trial%20and%20Error%20AKA%20Alf/chyandalfy.jpg…although my guy is 1/2 I think he almost looks to be a purebred, people that know the breed always ask if he is a CB.
Toeknee, you have a lovely horse. What is his/her breeding?
Thanks TN Lilly- Ramblers Renown and Mystic Age?(I think that’s the mares name) so CB/TB. He kinda fell into my lap about 7ish years ago, so I have no clue about where he was the 4 years before me. I love when I tell people what he is, it is amazing how many people are like “Cleveland Bay? Hmm never heard of it!” but the people that know them can spot him a mile away:)
Toeknee. What a lovely horse! How proud must you be sitting on him!! Such a nice face on him! & shoulder! & neck! & Loin! And … Well EVERYTHING!!
What a fine horse you have Toeknee!
Looks like he has Forest - Superman lines in him???
I’ll take a few pics of mine today! Oh and while we are talking Rare breeds, I bought a Hackney horse last night! I was told, I’m not sure if it’s true but there are only 331 Hackney horses recorded in the US & Canada! Anyone know different?
CB & Hackney Status per EST
Equus Survival Trust (EST) ists the Cleveland Bay’s status as critical and the Hackney Horse as threatened. Critical means 100-300 breeding age adult mares; threatened 300-500 breeding age adult mares. The EST states that this status is based in part on global populations.
There is a similar group in the UK that classifies the status of rare breeds.
Toeknee, Ramblers Renown has sired many lovely horses — including yours! He is very handsome.
His legacy will live on through his offspring.
Toeknee, I would say he looks Cleveland, but there is just not enough of him to be a Purebred. Not a slam or anything, he is nice looking for sure. We have had two Rambler horses ourselves. He strongly resembles one, while our other has more of a chiseled head. He also looks CB, just not like yours.
Recognzing CB blood gets easier after seeing the first 10 or so, they are amazingly alike in the “CB look”. Nothing you can exactly finger, but CB look is there to see. Sure helps in spotting the part breds, whatever the cross, since few Purebreds are ever out to be seen. Pures are EASY to spot when you come across them, especially if they are mature animals. Proportion of body and mass are a big clue. All the parts go together very well, not clunky looking or moving, light-footed and agile, just massive but not drafty when you stand next to them.
We have spotted a number of part-breds when out in horse activities. We usually go and ask to make sure. Have seen Saddlebred, TB, Oldenburg, QH crosses. Have seen video of Morgan crosses. They all had “that look” to make them obvious to us, as CB crosses. Quite a number of non-registered ones, but the history that came with them said CB. Others who claimed CB lineage, didn’t look like it to us. Yup, just bay horses in larger sizes. No movement, or other characteristics to show the CB part.
CB breeds true because they are pretty prepotent with close breeding from those “almost lost the breed” times. A couple times there were only 4 Pure stallions in the WORLD!! The Sparks breeding program is designed to diversify the blood as much as possible, so inbreeding problems are less likely to happen. Heck, look at the QH, with all their numbers still have genetic problems! Two recent issues, HYPP and the HERTA skin are real visible with inbreeding just the last 15 years. Spreading into breeds allowing QH outcrosses, both are from QH based bloodlines.
People are impressed with the size and presence of the Part-bred Sporthorses. Can’t believe it can get better! They are overwhelmed when meeting the Pures. I think it is their eyes that make them all so appealing, kindly, interested appearing when looking at you. I know folks just appear from nowhere, when we take our Part-breds out in public. Some kind of universal appeal in them, brings folks right over to look closer. One mare always had a crowd around her stall, like she was a magnet. She is very gracious about it, accepting the attention. All her sons have it as well. Bred-in charisma. She is by Fryup Marvel, who is a real eye catching horse, gracious in accepting his attention too.
It would be nice of those with CB Sporthorses would register them with the Cleveland Bay Horse Society in the UK.
There are too many horses out there with owners claiming they have CB blood in them that either do not have any CB blood or that have a lesser % than advertised.
There are also folks who do not understand that the Cleveland Bay Horse is a breed. In the fairly recent past there was an ad on dreamhorse.com for a half TB & half Clydesdale gelding. The horse was advertised as a CB.
It is possible to register a horse as a CB Sporthorse/Partbred even if you were not the breeder thanks to DNA testing. I bought my horse as a yearling. The breeder had died. It was a fairly easy process to register her.
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It would be nice of those with CB Sporthorses would register them with the Cleveland Bay Horse Society in the UK.
There are too many horses out there with owners claiming they have CB blood in them that either do not have any CB blood or that have a lesser % than advertised.
There are also folks who do not understand that the Cleveland Bay Horse is a breed. In the fairly recent past there was an ad on dreamhorse.com for a half TB & half Clydesdale gelding. The horse was advertised as a CB.
It is possible to register a horse as a CB Sporthorse/Partbred even if you were not the breeder thanks to DNA testing. I bought my horse as a yearling. The breeder had died. It was a fairly easy process to register her.[/QUOTE]
i think that why i posted the original aritcle to help the cb’s and i think people should make sure they also on the – sparks, –
i like cb’s as a breed always have done as they like a bigger version of the welsh sec d
not in cob type but in them being versitle being able to do anything and truely genuine all rounder type of horse—from driving to show jumping to dressage to fei and competition standards
and beyond truely a horse breed thats been there done it and worn the t shirt not many breeds can say what the cb’s can say and how they was used and miss used
for centuries by misuse i mean they were sent but never returned during ww1 and part of ww2, people that own cb’s want to make sure they are also registered and in contact with the british society so that the breed can be helped and maybe just maybe there nos can start to be re built–perhaps more information and more public awareness in the horse world might help i dont know
How are CBs perceived in the UK?
Goeslikestink, how are the CBs perceived in the UK? Are they perceived as a novelty by most horse folks? An athletic horse?
Do most UK horse folks know what a CB is? I assume that they do.
In particular, it seems that a significant number of horses with 50% CB blood in them where the CB parent is the dam, have been imported from England. The impression I have had is that in the UK market a 50% CB out of a purebred CB mare is worth more than a purebred CB.
Thanks guys! I think he is wonderful but I think I might be a little bias;)
Goodhors-No slam taken, most of you guys know much more about the breed than me!
tandem4u-where are those pictures!?:winkgrin:
One thing is for sure, they are a beautiful breed. For everyone who has posted pictures-wow sooo many good looking horses!
It would be nice of those with CB Sporthorses would register them with the Cleveland Bay Horse Society in the UK.
Yes, I know, and it’s always been something I’ve meant to do with my mare(and now her 1/4CB filly), but something’s always come up to prevent me from doing it, mostly $$$(and lack thereof).
I have had the application papers since she was a filly (and she’s now 13!:o)- do I get points for the intent?:lol:
Toeknee, There comming!!!
Since your fellow looks great, I can’t post a ugly photo of my Boy! LOl
I pulled him out of the field this morning. Boy he’s grown, Again!!
After my lessons, I’ll give him a bath, paint his nails, plunk his eyebrows and take a few shots! I need him to looking his best for you!
Robert
Toeknee’ s horse
Wow…that Rambler is a looker. I owned a very similar looking partbred by IH Yorktown and out of a NIjinksy (TB) grandaughter…awesome mare (Idle Secret) I stumbled on in the mid- west, brought along for about 6 mos., then sold as an event prospect late last fall. She looks VERY similar and if I could figure out how to attach pictures on here I’ d share them. What’ s the trick??
Goodhors, you have it right about the slow to mature business. Anyone who is a ''want it now" type is going to label these horses as stubborn or slow and stupid and they are anything but.
My 3 y.o. filly is about as mature as her 5 y.o. full brother. He may not be mentally mature until he is around 10 at the rate he’s going!!:winkgrin: But he will be a good horse whenever that happens.
The 3 y.o. just had 90 days of ground driving, w,t, and a bit of canter. Now she gets to go back on vacation for awhile. no rush.
Robert, when they are a little older can you make them a team? They are already joined at the hip most of the time.
Here is the 5 y.o. gelding who was CB division Champion at Upperville and also yesterday at Warrenton. He’s truly a character.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/filly05/Upperville0608011.jpg?t=1220044161
Man does Bruiser look GOOD!
Michelle, Bruiser looks great! Scott looks pretty good too!
Any current photos of Angel?
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Goeslikestink, how are the CBs perceived in the UK? .[/QUOTE] The Cleveland bay is acknowledge as being a very good traditional all round general purpose horse.
Are they perceived as a novelty by most horse folks?
No
An athletic horse?
yes and acknowledge so by what they achieve.
Do most UK horse folks know what a CB is?
Yes
In particular, it seems that a significant number of horses with 50% CB blood in them where the CB parent is the dam, have been imported from England. The impression I have had is that in the UK market a 50% CB out of a purebred CB mare is worth more than a purebred CB
Not the case at all. The value is dependent on the breeding and on the proven ability and pedigree of BOTH parents. A purebred Cleveland Bay reaches good price though and there’s actually funding available as a grant aid to encourage pure breeding true to type
Sales of CBs in the UK
Thomas_1, my access to CBs for sale in the UK is pretty much limited to those who are posted on the N.A. website. Obviously, a N.A. purchaser would need to import the horse. BUT, the same syndrome seems to apply — these horses stay on the market for long time. Perhaps N.A. buyers are not interested due to the high cost of importing. But it would seem that the UK buyers think the prices asked are too high.
Why hasn’t the CB made a comeback in the UK?
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