I disagree. 4 horses in the top 10 at WEG were full TBs.
Just because they do not fit into your breeding program does not mean they are not competitive.
Then the course was not designed to FEI rules per the regulations for the London Olympics.
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Then the course was not designed to FEI rules per the regulations for the London Olympics.[/QUOTE]
Doesn’t matter what you say Viney. You said WE don’t know what we are talking about ? You should look in the mirror.
I told you what I heard while I was watching. It was EXACTLY as I heard. This Olympics in London was hand tailored for TB’s…they couldn’t get the job done even when they had the advantage.
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Doesn’t matter what you say Viney. You said WE don’t know what we are talking about ? You should look in the mirror.
I told you what I heard while I was watching. It was EXACTLY as I heard. This Olympics in London was hand tailored for TB’s…they couldn’t get the job done even when they had the advantage.[/QUOTE]
Just because you heard it does not make it true
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Just because you heard it does not make it true[/QUOTE]
I provided the quote from the course designer Carol…have a look.
I know what I heard and I just verified it to be true.
If it was hand tailored for TBs then why were TBs not chosen? Every single country nominated full TBs, but very few made it to London. The apparent consensus among the selectors from the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, and others of the “lesser” nations was that full TBs would not do well on this Otherwise I’m sure that WFP might be wishing that he had ridden his OTTB Parklane Hawk.
Now I’d like see to a course map with the actual heights and widths of the jumping efforts XC. The Olympic Games does not provide that information, and if the Games are only a 3* to make it easier for other nations, doesn’t that say that even short format eventing has been cheapened tremendously.
You can’t seem to see that your traditional WB just doesn’t make a top event horse.
Where did you just verify it? With the FEI? With an official map? I will check around with eventing FEI sources and see if they will corrobate that the course didn’t have 4* level jumping.
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If it was hand tailored for TBs then why were TBs not chosen? Every single country nominated full TBs, but very few made it to London. The apparent consensus among the selectors from the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, and others of the “lesser” nations was that full TBs would not do well on this Otherwise I’m sure that WFP might be wishing that he had ridden his OTTB Parklane Hawk.
Now I’d like see to a course map with the actual heights and widths of the jumping efforts XC. The Olympic Games does not provide that information, and if the Games are only a 3* to make it easier for other nations, doesn’t that say that even short format eventing has been cheapened tremendously.
You can’t seem to see that your traditional WB just doesn’t make a top event horse.[/QUOTE]
You can’t seem to see that your beloved TB is and has been FAILING at the top of the sport in every discipline !
I don’t know why they didn’t select your beloved TB’s ESPECIALLY since it was a 5* cross country ! I guess the answer is obvious. They weren’t good enough.
the WB has won the last 3 Olympics girlfriend.
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Where did you just verify it? With the FEI? With an official map? I will check around with eventing FEI sources and see if they will corrobate that the course didn’t have 4* level jumping.[/QUOTE]
Damn ! Please re- read ? I just supplied you with a quote from the course designer and that of the legend Lucinda Green.
Well if the xcountry was “less” hard would that not benefit the dressage scorer even more --and the horse that jumps a clean–not flat --staduim course–that is the horse with less blood? I thought big and galloping was to a thoroughbred’s benefit not twisty and turn-ie.
If you consider a horse that has 3 of its 4 grandparents a WB, so be it. I consider it a TB X.
3 of the five New Zealand team members at WEG, which WAS a 4* course, were OTTBs. WFP was on an OTTB and he won silver. Andrew Nicholson who won bronze was riding another one of the Fines xx x Berganza gelding of which he has had at least three. Berganza’s sire was a Hanoverian imported to Spain; her dam line is unknown.
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If you consider a horse that has 3 of its 4 grandparents a WB, so be it. I consider it a TB X.[/QUOTE]
I do and so does the rest of the world.
Michael Jungs horse is a WB. Marius was a Holsteiner. Ingrid’s horse a Hannoverian. Until you win with a horse from a TB motherline , you are never a TB.
I would love to claim MyLord Carthago as a Holsteiner but I can’t. He is by the famous Holsteiner stallion Carthago and out of a French motherline so therefore he is a SF.
Your TB’s were deselected for this Olympics because they weren’t good enough…this is quite obvious. You can’t argue this point.
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I thought big and galloping was to a thoroughbred’s benefit not twisty and turn-ie.[/QUOTE]
I’m glad someone said this. I thought I was having some sort of mental episode when people were mentioning otherwise. TBs were king of the long format which was MILES longer than XC is now, so I wasn’t sure how short and twisty equated the course to being built for TBs. Pick one or the other, but not both please.
No, our TBs were “deselected” because of CMP and the nominating committee. If the selections were objective, you would have seen a whole other team. In the end, we sent non-TBs (gasp WBS) and still didn’t do well. We should have sent our best, regardless of breed or agenda, and many feel that we did not.
And please don’t speak for me. A horse that has 75% TB blood is a TBx no matter what sort of tantrum you throw. It may have a brand and be approved, but that doesn’t change it’s blood or where the blood came from. Calling it a Warmblood just seems like a ploy to take credit for basically any and every horse whose mother’s brother’s cousin’s boyfriend’s may have once breathed the same air as a WB and tout it for their registry.
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I think North American’s in general have a hard time with the whole culling issue. Just cruise through some of the threads on this forum and you see people insisting that a breeder be responsible(as in providing a lifetime home) for every horse they ever put on the ground. The idea of culling something that doesn’t meet certain standards (and I won’t get into some of the ways Europeans cull their herds, that’s a topic for another day) is distasteful to most North Americans.[/QUOTE]
Agree. AgreeAgreeAgree. The American way is to pour your life into something and, if you work hard enough, it will happen. In our country, no one can be failures. I am an eternal optimist, but I also believe it’s better to invest yourself in improving what you are, as opposed to what you are not. I feel the same way about horses. Dogs. Relationships. Pilates. (You get the idea.)
so I guess Plot Blue is a TB, right?
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Well if the xcountry was “less” hard would that not benefit the dressage scorer even more --and the horse that jumps a clean–not flat --staduim course–that is the horse with less blood? I thought big and galloping was to a thoroughbred’s benefit not twisty and turn-ie.[/QUOTE]
I actually disagree with this – TBs can do well on both sorts of courses. Many of the best eventing Tbs have sprinting lines (as do probably 99% of racehorses these days), and a horse that has both staying power and footspeed will dominate a twisty course. The good TBs I’ve ridden had extremely balanced canters and just floated along at the gallop. Atlanta was a very twisty course. Ready Teddy had no problem with it.
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- The advanced moves (and lower level moves) are easier for WB’s to do, because of their confirmation. So by default their rideability will be higher.[/QUOTE]
Tim, I love you, but this kind of error drives me crazy. The correct word here is conformation. 
Not sure if it was mentioned, but Jess Phoenix’s horse Exponential is also OTTB. He was on the Team at the WEGs and just rocked the Olympic course 
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so I guess Plot Blue is a TB, right?[/QUOTE]
if you had a TB sporthorse registry and if this TB sporthorse registry were papering horses from TB motherlines…then yes , credit would go to the TB stamm for producing Plot Blue , just like Marius is a Holsteiner even though he is sired by the TB stallion Condrieu xx.
You now get it Viney. If you want credit for the TB’s…quit arguing with me and others and figure out a way for them to get the credit. Start a TB sporthorse registry and then you can take credit for Plot Blue , Apache etc.
Until then…you will continue to only get credit for the TB’s influence that pertains to the generational production of Warmbloods.
