Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[QUOTE=Justa Bob;6750212]
Yes - she moved recently and Marin County wanted to avoid the previous county’s nightmare / headache. Also, I wonder if the horses health has declined as money may be finally very tight.

GRAY FOX FARM WEBSITE - does anyone know the protocol to getting a website shut down (and FB)? It seems pretty basic that the website/FB should be shut down or have warning alerts posted. As it stands, it presents a credible business and hides the scamming and animal neglect that is current reality.[/QUOTE]

Several of the 2013 foals being sold on her site in-utero for $8,000-$10,000 don’t even exist.
She’s never had the mares in her program (one of which is my friends mare) so that’s total fraud. Print screens of those have been saved. The other 2 belong to a well known owner who would never send her mares there from what I heard from a friend of hers. It’s just sad.

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;6748676]
Wasn’t he previously owned by a breeder / dressage trainer in Virginia?[/QUOTE]

That was why I asked the above question. Does the stallion’s former owner know what is happeneing? Would he be willing to help his former horse?

I just read this thread. Don’t know Jill, but definitely never do business with someone who is obviously so disrespected by the equine community. A train wreak.

For content/copyright infringement of material posted on Gray Fox Farm website or FB page without consent/permission. If your pictures or material is posted on Jill Burnell Gray Fox Farm, LLC website you can request the content be removed.

Yahoo.com might assist and DMCA provides help and self-help for removing stolen copyrighted content from websites (fee required):

http://www.dmca.com/Takedowns.aspx?ad=dtddmcawrds&gclid=CNLGvILlwrQCFal7QgodhDUAPQ

Here is the data for Gray Fox Farm website:

Registrant:
Gray Fox Farms

324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States

Administrative Contact:
Burnell, Jill grayfoxfarms@yahoo.com
Gray Fox Farms
324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States
7073223046

Technical Contact:
Burnell, Jill grayfoxfarms@yahoo.com
Gray Fox Farms
324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States
7073223046

Domain servers in listed order:
YNS1.YAHOO.COM
YNS2.YAHOO.COM

[QUOTE=Justa Bob;6750601]
For content/copyright infringement of material posted on Gray Fox Farm website or FB page without consent/permission. If your pictures or material is posted on Jill Burnell Gray Fox Farm, LLC website you can request the content be removed.

Yahoo.com might assist and DMCA provides help and self-help for removing stolen copyrighted content from websites (fee required):

http://www.dmca.com/Takedowns.aspx?ad=dtddmcawrds&gclid=CNLGvILlwrQCFal7QgodhDUAPQ

Here is the data for Gray Fox Farm website:

Registrant:
Gray Fox Farms

324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States

Administrative Contact:
Burnell, Jill grayfoxfarms@yahoo.com
Gray Fox Farms
324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States
7073223046

Technical Contact:
Burnell, Jill grayfoxfarms@yahoo.com
Gray Fox Farms
324 Hannan ranch lane
Petaluma, California 94952
United States
7073223046

Domain servers in listed order:
YNS1.YAHOO.COM
YNS2.YAHOO.COM[/QUOTE]

None of the contact info is accurate anymore, except the email address. Which she won’t answer. And I have no idea what kind of documentation you would need to compel a website or FB page to be taken down. But I suspect it would have to be documented legal decisions, of which there are none other than some unpaid bills. Not enough…

[QUOTE=lauriep;6750735]
None of the contact info is accurate anymore, except the email address. Which she won’t answer. And I have no idea what kind of documentation you would need to compel a website or FB page to be taken down. But I suspect it would have to be documented legal decisions, of which there are none other than some unpaid bills. Not enough…[/QUOTE]

Thank you! Agreed - Jill is MIA…when a copyright is infringed it doesn’t matter what the website owner does. Its the website hosting service that takes the action (Yahoo.com) – they DO follow the law. Jill’s data is how the account is officially registered - which would be helpful when filing the complaint. DMCA TAKEDOWN provides an easy to use service for copyright owner’s to get fast action.

She has a picture of my filly on there that I did not give her permission to use but I assume she just downloaded it from my FB page as anyone else can do so it is sort of my fault.

Facebook takes very seriously those who infringe on copyrights.

I’d suggest the owners of the pics that JB is using, get on FB and file a complaint that her website link on is full of copyright infringments. Then maybe they’ll just shut down her FB page.

While one cannot shut down her website (maybe Yahoo will), at minimum contacting FB might help – one less social media outlet that links to her website "out there’ , and to which the unsuspecting may fall prey.

Just thinkin’.

I’d think having a website up to keep track of which horses are where could be a very important thing.

[QUOTE=3Dogs;6618785]
I know I get flamed every time I say this but I do not think there are that many foal buyers of “hunter prospects” …they go with trainer or trainer goes IN GENERAL to Europe for those.[/QUOTE]

I’m laughing because after reading 60+ pages, this is what gets me to post. (and since I haven’t finished and I know there are more developments since page 105 which is where I currenlty am, I appologize). BUT…LaurieP is right. I am the ammie that cannot afford to go to Europe or buy a domestic 4-5 year old of the caliber I would like to own. I have spent a lot of time, and have been sorely tempted by, the GFF website/foals. I could afford a nice foal and then gamble on it training up to what I want it to be. In fact, that’s the only way I will ever own a really nice horse (no offense to my current, lovely in his own right, horse. :)).

AND, I just might show that horse on the line…NOT because it was my goal, but rather because I think it’s a good way to get a youngster out and about as early as possible so the show scene is no big deal. The horse probably wouldn’t do all that well because I don’t like young ones that fat, but it’s wouldn’t be about ribbons but rather about exposure. Just another step along the path…

IMO, I think there are VERY few people who buy only for HB. It’s just a fun/useful stepping stone to the performance horse they are ultimately hoping for. There are a ton of obstacles that might mean that the youngster doesn’t make it as a performance horse, but you can say that about a slew of the foals/young horses that are purchased into show homes.

The GFF website always had me planning how to make buying a hunter baby a reality. Thankfully, I never got around to it. Trust me, if I had property and didn’t board, I would have had to count myself as a GFF client…and hoped that I would end up one of the lucky ones.

It appears Grand Affair has been sold as this was just posted on FB. This person was on here earlier in this thread defending Jill but at least the mare has a good home.

Kirsten Strain
For those of you familiar with the Oldenburg mare Grand Affair, she has been with me for the past 6 months mothering her 2012 filly Dolphina who I own. I had also purchased Grand Affairs 2010 inutero foal Rain Boots who has been with his new owner for the past year. I am pleased to report that I have purchased Grand Affair who will continue to live at my farm in Petaluma. This is an FYI to dispel any rumors of the whereabouts of this wonderful hunter mare.

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6752633]
It appears Grand Affair has been sold as this was just posted on FB. This person was on here earlier in this thread defending Jill but at least the mare has a good home.[/QUOTE]

very interesting, that horse has been on burnells property until last week.

[QUOTE=equitruth;6752671]
very interesting, that horse has been on burnells property until last week.[/QUOTE]

Interesting indeed because the picture I posted a few pages back shows the mare with her filly clearly NOT at Jill’s and much better cared for. The picture was taken in November. Perhaps she went back to GFF after they weaned to foal for a short time?

What is more frightening to me is the photos I posted OF the mare and the foal Rain Boots were also shared on his owners page. So she willingly bought and even worse shared photos of he and the mare in that condition.

Yet still continued to defend Jill.

Go back to post #2378 re: Grand Affair. Something smells wrong between that post and what the person on FB is saying about owning her, and the holiday news letter offering her for sale.

Yet this was just posted on Facebook this morning by Grand Affair’s breeder, Joni Watt:

"GRAND AFFAIR one of the most famous offspring of my stallion Grande Saber is being offered for sale but not by her owner. GRAND AFFAIR one of the most celebrate HB show horses in the past couple of decades… was just featured in a “Holiday” Ad with 2 breedings to promote the sale!

Grand Affair is turning 18 this year. She has been a tremendous producer - 8 foals and 10 pregnancies. It comes with a price…Grand Affair suffered a bleed in her broad ligament at age 12. Evidently Grand Affair had a year’s rest. Was bred for one last time under the direction of a repro vet. As some astute COTHers here noted… ET was the only future option for Grand Affair. It is likely she has had more complications with the 4 back to back foals she has carried since she was 14.

Grand Affair was also mis-represented as an “undocumented mare by Grand Saber” under her “show name” to a breed registry. The registry accepted her in the pre-mare book under her show name with a “new owner”. I bred Grand Affair, My client bought her at 3 months of age, HAS POSSESSION OF HER ORIGINAL FOAL PAPERS and has never transferred ownership. This mare is still owned by my client. The use of my stallion or any representation me as the breeder is fraud.

Sorry to hijack this site…but I can’t stand idle while this iconic mare may die as a result of being “SOLD” with “clear title” as a “viable” broodmare to some unsuspecting buyer with stars in their eyes!!

Grand Affair is pictured here in better days…withher owner and full sisters Grande Desire and Grande Divina- By her dam’s side showing at DAD 1995 -With her 2007 colt - “This is It”. In 2006 in her crowning glory - retiring the Uppervilie Broodmare Champion Posh Trophy @ age 11 AND her famous sabino belly markings.

PLEASE pass the word on that Grand Affair is not owned by the person offering her for sale. She is to retire from breeding with her owner and live a well deserved “Rest on her Laurels”! "

Wait. The mare is stolen? They just told you where she was, why not take the sheriff and go pick her up? Poor mare, I hope she is in good hands now regardless.

I’m confused because on this thread, she was clearly sold to GFF.

www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?202899-New-Mare-Grand-Affair

She was/is a lovely mare who we watched show many times. Just superb.I wish nothing but the best for her. She is indeed, quite lovely, as are her sisters (and her offspring, etc etc).

The plot thickens…

First of all - I think trying to sell a broodmare that is not breeding sound is unethical on many levels, however horses are sold without papers all the time.

I have papers sitting in my safety deposit box that I chose to retain for personal reasons, but the horse was sold without them. I do not claim to own the horse. I received a check and signed a bill of sale. Possession of a registration certificate doesn’t prove anything.

For the mare’s sake however, I hope she is allowed her well earned retirement.