Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[sid]

[QUOTE=Cartier;6776692]
What I see in most of these posts is that people care a great deal about this mess, they feel they were helpless to prevent it… they want to help if possible and they want it all exposed to “the bright cleansing light of day,” so that we can see what happened, what went wrong and prevent this from happening again. With very few exceptions, I do not see malice… rather, I see genuine concern, being expressed different ways, by different people. I think one thing we can all take away from this is that it is probably not a good idea for one person to collect large numbers of horses, because it’s easy to get in over your head, fast. That one thing, in and of itself, should raise interest or concern.[/QUOTE]

Yes. This.

[COTHalter44]

[QUOTE=ponyponyponi;6776507]
Dr. Cheryl Ellis, Foothill Mobile Veterinary Service 3281 Luneman Road, Placerville, CA 95667 - 530-622-0174. [/QUOTE]

Given the sheer distance between her practice and JB’s farm (roughly 150 miles through heavier trafficked areas), I HIGHLY doubt this is JB’s vet. I think JillyB is lying again. :yes:
It is not very common for vets here to travel such large distances to clients unless we are talking very high end clients which JB is not. Perhaps in other parts of the country it is, but not here.

I was sent a PM earlier which said in part that she has also been denied service at UC Davis (closest hospital) in the past, so it is no wonder they were “still trying to figure out what to do” 24 hours after RS was injured. :no:

[sid]

[QUOTE=Twisted River;6776754]
Editing out almost all of my post. A Cother pointed out it may be construed as tortious interference. I’m thinking my post is one of many that could be considered that, but I’m happy to oblige and do what is in my power to help and not hurt a cause I’m concerned about.

Here’s what I’m not editing out:

… The best way to help is by being there for the fallout. Donating to the humane society, fostering horses, spreading the word for others to donate and foster. Donate to Marin. If you live in the area and can, foster horses. If you live in the area and can’t foster a horse, free up some Marin resources and adopt or foster and dog or cat. When this whole ordeal is wrapping up, if it’s needed, adopt the horses. …[/QUOTE]

And if there are not enough LONG term foster homes near Marin, there are plent of us hear in the East and around the country who I suspect could foster. I for one have room, and of course, plenty of foaling out and neonate care experience. Clearly this would not be good for late term mares. But for the cost of shipping, some could find good foster care out of state. Though I don’t know if Marin would agree to foster out of state. Perhaps, with affiliated rescues doing the screening for foster homes out of state that could happen. And some concerned shipping company would haul a few of them across the country as their “donation”. Just thinking.

[COTHalter44]

Marin will not foster out of state.

[Justa_Bob]

SID - you bring up so many good points.

Anyone have ties with Nor CA professionals who may be able to offer foster help - especially those experienced in handling broodmares and foals? I am sure Marin HS would love to have offers should the need arise. And starting to gather the information NOW in one list to provide Marin would be very helpful.

Can you reach out to our friends and colleagues in CA? Humane Societies typically rely on separate horse organization to provide care for horses - MHS may be in a similar situation.

Any takers to organize and contact potential CA fosters for this MHS case? Marin Horse Council may be a good place to start - their members may be very helpful.

[Callmeacab]

I believe they already have some names, but those that want to offer should contact Cindy Machado, at MHS.

[sid]

Thanks, Justa Bob. You rock. I don’t know anyone in CA, unfortunately. Boo. If I did, I surely would.

I’m so worried about the PG mares. I love the “girlies”, such special creatures. I hope they do not fall through the cracks because this thread seems to wind back to concern for the stallions by so many and their breeding futures.

What about the girls and the babies who so often play 2nd fiddle to the concerns by too many? Because these stallions are well known and admired by so many, with Marin involved they will hopefully recover land softly, testicles or not (frankly that should be the last concern right now).

Egad.

[omare]

“I think one thing we can all take away from this is that it is probably not a good idea for one person to collect large numbers of horses, because it’s easy to get in over your head, fast. That one thing, in and of itself, should raise interest or concern.”

i agree this is a red flag – there are breeders that list on their website all their mares and foals – foals from prior years (now unsold weanlings, yearlngs etc.?) Count the number of horses some one has and figure whether they have the means to feed them (like a multi-million trust fund?)–it is pure math. And note whether they ever refer to employees that help them muck out the 30 or so mares they own …or not if are they just turned out and foaling in the field?)

[gabby.gator]

I truly wish I lived in the area, I would do everything I could to help any of the horses there, big or small, male or female.

unfortunately, donating what little I can is all I CAN do.

[sid]

[QUOTE=omare;6777050]
“I think one thing we can all take away from this is that it is probably not a good idea for one person to collect large numbers of horses, because it’s easy to get in over your head, fast. That one thing, in and of itself, should raise interest or concern.”

i agree this is a red flag – there are breeders that list on their website all their mares and foals – foals from prior years (now unsold weanlings, yearlngs etc.?) Count the number of horses some one has and figure whether they have the means to feed them (like a multi-million trust fund?)–it is pure math. And note whether they ever refer to employees that help them muck out the 30 or so mares they own …or not if are they just turned out and foaling in the field?)[/QUOTE]

While I agree there are red flags, still there are many people and businesses that CAN house and care for this number of horses appropriately (well financed from other endeavors;) to afford it.) That said, I don’t know of many websites that mention the number of employees they have.

Can’t paint people who have a lot of horses with such a broad brush, really.

[3Dogs]

It is impossible on this forum to offer any criticism without an offended party shouting foul. Particularly if it applies to a stallion!
DY for what it’s worth, I agree with you at this point in time. I stress at this point in time. However whatever one’s opinion, there are several popular hunter “breeding” sucess story stallions who could fall in the “limited scope” dept but breeders need to sell babies and “scope” takes a while to reveal!
The general angst re JB does have a faint odor of collective guilt being expunged! As several Posters have pointed out…this ONE cause of gross and extended malfeasance has garnered much more attention than seizure of Morgans or TBs starving in other parts of the country! There is thus that smack of opportunity for others creeping into this debacle! May all her horses land safely. May uncared for horses everywhere land safely!

[Justa_Bob]

[QUOTE=Callmeacab;6777039]
I believe they already have some names, but those that want to offer should contact Cindy Machado, at MHS.[/QUOTE]

Ok - I will contact Cindy and find out what MHS projected needs are and what kind of foster assistance would be required. That is the place to start.

Thanks SID for the idea. I am with you - it’s lack of shelter and the PG mares that is so worrying. Legal wheels may take forever, but those babies are coming regardless of any wheels o justice process.

[sid]

[QUOTE=3Dogs;6777073]

The general angst re JB does have a faint odor of collective guilt being expunged! As several Posters have pointed out…this ONE cause of gross and extended malfeasance has garnered much more attention than seizure of Morgans or TBs starving in other parts of the country! May uncared for horses everywhere land safely![/QUOTE]

Exactly, horses don’t know how “famous” their owners are or how “famous” their sires are. This kind of thing happens all the time as we’ve seen. But at LEAST this gal had a big enough “name” to sic the industry that she supposedly served and connned on her.

We can all do better and stand up in all cases like this…not just the big name that is more intriguing.

[Joanne]

A question for those who know Jill or who are familiar with her habits, does she attend the foalings or is it survival of the fitest?

[Dead_Lame]

I get the distinct impression from ponyponyponi’s angry posts that s/he’s someone who’s donated several stallion services to the auction. <wonder who> <have an idea>

[sid]

Wuh? What does that matter? At least she/he donated to to help the JB horses and Marin. I’m sure there are many stallion owners who have donated breedings to the auction and also to help those individuals who have outstanding, scammed contracts with JB) are pissed off. What she has done has tainted the industry. And no one likes that. IF the poster was a contributor to the auction, IMO, okay for me to him or her to vent. This kind of things make those who ARE professional just sick, I’m sure. A little leeway is in order, no?

I don’t quite get what you are insinuating and why you would do so.

[OneonOne]

She means the call may be coming from inside the house…

If you’re going to post under an alter, you should probably try to disguise your posting style.

[Dead_Lame]

sid, it’s not ponypony’s understandable anger at the Jill B situation, it’s ponypony’s determined effort to drag Ronda S’s name through the mud that is suspicious. If the seizure hadn’t happened, and the purchase of Romantic Star had been announced normally, posters here wouldn’t be so determined to point fingers at RSF. People would just be happy that the stallion was in a better place.

[sid]

I understand. Thank you.

This is definitely like an Agatha Christie novel for all of those who may be reading it. But it’s not a story. It is very REAL for these horses and for all the people that JB allegedly bilked.

As the novel plays out and the story or resolution goes on, it’s still about the horses first,no?

I can only hope that the players and their involvement ends up like a Christie novel always did. Justice done for the bad guys and for those harmed, both horse and human.

[omare]

"Can’t paint people who have a lot of horses with such a broad brush, really. "

Sorry if it came across that way-I did not think i did, as I noted that you need to pick up on whether the person has the means to keep them. As to employees-I agree that is usually not to be found on a website-but people usually have enough interaction with a breeder to get a feel of how much help is around.