Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[nycjumper]

I have nothing but the highest of hopes that Romantic Star will wind up with Rising Star. Let’s see - stallion owner who stands stallions with outstanding performance records, gets glowing reviews from mare owners about her professionalism and responsiveness and works to promote breeding in the US. And she bought a stallion out of a less than ideal situation so not only will he wind up in a better place, mare owners will be able to work with a SO who runs a professional operation and has a great lineup.

Yes, I certainly can understand why some people are upset she bought him. (sarcasm button enabled)

I have equally high hopes that the remainder of the horses wind up in equally good situations.

[Elfe]

[QUOTE=OneonOne;6777173]
She means the call may be coming from inside the house…

If you’re going to post under an alter, you should probably try to disguise your posting style.[/QUOTE]

What am I missing ???

[skydy]

[QUOTE=Dead Lame;6777194]
sid, it’s not ponypony’s understandable anger at the Jill B situation, it’s ponypony’s determined effort to drag Ronda S’s name through the mud that is suspicious. If the seizure hadn’t happened, and the purchase of Romantic Star had been announced normally, posters here wouldn’t be so determined to point fingers at RSF. People would just be happy that the stallion was in a better place.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Such vitriol as contained in ponypony’s post comes with an agenda and is, to my mind, completely uncalled for.
Save your outrage for the person responsible for this tragedy, Jill Burnell.

RSF is a respectable farm/person and only did what she thought best. The debacle that ensued after the purchase sits squarely on the shoulders of Jill Burnell.

[loshad]

[QUOTE=Elfe;6777232]
What am I missing ???[/QUOTE]

Poniponipony is the alter of someone who posts regularly on COTH in the SHB forum on matters related to equine reproduction, like many stallion owners, but who apparently doesn’t wish to stand behind her unbelievably classless and crass post trashing another stallion owner for the high crime of <shudder> purchasing a stallion.

[sid]

Well, call me stupid, didn’t detect an “agenda” in pony’s post. Just outrage and pretty darned good assessment of what has transpire in the JB “case” and the comments/opinions on ths BB.

Nothing wrong with that tome, IMO. He/she probably said what many were not brave enough to say.

As one can see, there were may who did the “green thumbs up” to that post.

The weakness and fear of standing up by so many is why JB was able to fleece the public for so long. At least pony wasn’t afraid of doing so. I admire that and it’s good for the horses.

[Daventry]

[QUOTE=OneonOne;6777173]
She means the call may be coming from inside the house…

If you’re going to post under an alter, you should probably try to disguise your posting style.[/QUOTE]

Or, it was done on purpose to make everyone think it was someone else who regularly posts on the Bulletin Board. I’ve gotten a few private emails asking if I posted it, due to the username. I’ll gladly post my opinions under my own username.

In the meantime…

Marin Humane Society Fundraiser:
http://www.leg-up.org/marin-county-fund-raisingauctiondonation-page.html

Marin Humane Society Donations:
https://www.kintera.org/site/c.aiIOI3NLKgKYF/b.8490959/k.5C3E/West_Marin_Horse_Case/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=aiIOI3NLKgKYF&b=8490959&en=clLNK3NLLbIWKdPOLaITJaOZIvK7IgPXIpL0J9MULlIXKjOaF

[skydy]

[QUOTE=sid;6777259]
Well, call me stupid, didn’t detect an “agenda” in pony’s post. Just outrage and pretty darned good assessment of what has transpire in the JB “case” and the comments/opinions on ths BB.

Nothing wrong with that tome, IMO. He/she probably said what many were not brave enough to say.

As one can see, there were may who did the “green thumbs up” to that post.

The weakness and fear of standing up by so many is why JB was able to fleece the public for so long. At least pony wasn’t afraid of doing so. I admire that and it’s good for the horses.[/QUOTE]

I would never call you stupid.

We can agree to disagree, can’t we? There has been enough incivility.
I can understand the anger toward Jill, expressed by ponypony, but not the slamming of RSF.

[loshad]

[QUOTE=sid;6777259]
Well, call me stupid, didn’t detect an “agenda” in pony’s post. Just outrage and pretty darned good assessment of what has transpire in the JB “case” and the comments/opinions on ths BB.

Nothing wrong with that tome, IMO. He/she probably said what many were not brave enough to say.

As one can see, there were may who did the “green thumbs up” to that post.

The weakness and fear of standing up by so many is why JB was able to fleece the public for so long. At least pony wasn’t afraid of doing so. I admire that and it’s good for the horses.[/QUOTE]

Sid, the comments about Ronda are nasty, mean-spirited, untrue, and downright vicious. JB is a piece of work, true. If the posts had simply gone after her and her breeding practices, no big deal. However, Ronda is a good, ethical breeder, with good business practices, and a stellar reputation who bought a stallion. She is 100% not the bad guy in this scenario. The horse will be in a much better situation – isn’t that what everyone is claiming they want?

Posters like PPP and some of the others on here who have trashed RSF (and outright accused her of fraud, let’s not forget!) based on rumormongering, hearsay, and outright fantasy are disgusting and cowardly. If the, ahem, professional behind PPP has something to say, she should say it with her regular account.

Oh, and green thumbs mean exactly squat. What we CAN’T see (because we can’t have nice things and everyone needs to get a ribbon and a pat on the head) is how many people gave it red thumbs.

[COTHalter44]

I really don’t care who posted it. I think we are all outraged at the situation, and while I do think there is something funny going on here with RSF’s purchase, direct that anger toward Jill Burnell, the sole creator of this mess. She is the one who deserves the flaming.

[BaroquePony]

I don’t know any of the involved parties, but I have seen some pretty nasty stuff in the horse world.

It doesn’t surprise me at all we look like fools on the international scene.

What I want to say here is that it doesn’t look like any of the horses or foals were growing up in fields galloping and building strong bones and all of the other things that should go with being raised as a horse rather than “my little pony”.

[Dead_Lame]

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6777290]
I do think there is something funny going on here with RSF’s purchase…[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

And you think this because… you want to, since you have no facts behind your opinion. And you repeat it on this board again because you want to keep fanning that flame.

Why not follow the advice you were giving in your own post, and direct the anger at JB?

[COTHalter44]

[QUOTE=Dead Lame;6777317]
:rolleyes:

And you think this because… you want to, since you have no facts behind your opinion. And you repeat it on this board again because you want to keep fanning that flame.

Why not follow the advice you were giving in your own post, and direct the anger at JB?[/QUOTE]

I think this because I am entitled to my opinion, as is everyone here, including yourself.

[mbm]

does anyone know what MHS requires to qualify for a foster home?

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=loshad;6777249]
Poniponipony is the alter of someone who posts regularly on COTH in the SHB forum on matters related to equine reproduction, like many stallion owners, but who apparently doesn’t wish to stand behind her unbelievably classless and crass post trashing another stallion owner for the high crime of <shudder> purchasing a stallion.[/QUOTE]

As one of the parties who regularly posts on equine reproduction on this board and is a stallion owner, I would like to clarify if the claim is directed at me, it is incorrect. I spoke with Ronda by telephone two days ago. I was candid with her and told her my opinion of the transaction. I said it to her face. I have no reason to repeat it on this Bulletin Board to people who have no direct involvement.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6777333]
I think this because I am entitled to my opinion, as is everyone here, including yourself.[/QUOTE]

but repeating it over and over goes nowhere except to enflame. because of course the people who stand behind RSF are going to come to her defense.

[COTHalter44]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6777416]
but repeating it over and over goes nowhere except to enflame. because of course the people who stand behind RSF are going to come to her defense.[/QUOTE]

I went back and looked. I’ve mentioned it exactly 3 times. I will stop, but I can’t shake the feeling that something is “off” here.

Also, I don’t dislike RSF and she does seem to have a great program, but the “under the table” support of JB is disappointing.

[Sheila_A]

For those who live in Jill’s area, I am curious to know if many vets use electronic coggins? Almost all the Texas vets that I know now use them. For those unfamiliar, they require three photos, one of each side and a head shot, that are taken on the day the blood is pulled and they appear on the coggins certificate. You can download them from any computer after about 48 hours with a log in and password. Very handy. I suspect Romantic Star’s coggins was the old yellow type but if photos were taken they sure would be interesting to see.

As far as timing, fwiw, I can put a horse in the trailer, drive to my vet, and have a coggins and health certificate in my possession in a little over an hour (the old yellow type, not electronic). I do realize that you need to have a good relationship with your vet to do this, but the point is that it is not a difficult task to get a coggins and/or a health certificate if the vet has a credit card to charge.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…

[BaroquePony]

Well, you’re right, something is off, but it’s the whole damn industry and how bloody slack we are about all of it. I hate it.

That dirty table was enough for me. I would be so pissed off if I knew that I had a mare inseminated with semen collected and handled by someone with that filthy of a set-up.

[Dead_Lame]

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6777425]
I went back and looked. I’ve mentioned it exactly 3 times. [/QUOTE]

Make that four.

[BaroquePony]

And anyone who thinks that this type of mess doesn’t reflect on our ENTIRE breeding program nationwide should think again.