When those victimized by a crook get together and go after the crook in a joint effort through all legal means (civil suit with cost shared by all victims listed as plaintiffs, pressure on local DA office for criminal charges, state AG offices, FBI complaints, BBB complaints, forced bankruptcy, etc) it can be VERY effective.
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Just out of curiosity why haven’t three creditors got together to put her in an involuntary bankruptcy? Is it because she qualifies as a “family farmer” under the bankruptcy code? I do not know enough about the “family farmer” category of the bankruptcy code to know if it includes horse breeding operations. Seems like an orderly liquidation here would be best for all involved.
After looking at those pictures I have cleared all my piles of clutter from the kitchen counter and my office and all filing is up to date. Sheesh, what a mess.[/QUOTE]
LOL, after looking at those pics I felt the urge to vacuum, and I did. It was 11:30 at night…
Is there a lawyer on the forum? If so, could you PM me…I have a couple of questions. 
My dad is a lawyer, but I don’t want to bother him with this.
I quickly looked up the Better Business Bureau http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-faqs/#onlyab and they WILL make reports on non-accredited businesses. So why doesn’t everybody start there? You can file a complaint here: https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started
At least it would be a start for everybody!
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When those victimized by a crook get together and go after the crook in a joint effort through all legal means (civil suit with cost shared by all victims listed as plaintiffs, pressure on local DA office for criminal charges, state AG offices, FBI complaints, BBB complaints, forced bankruptcy, etc) it can be VERY effective.[/QUOTE]
Which is what I was/am trying to get the victims to understand. All it will take is someone like me that was willing to spearhead and organize the victims and get them moving. It may be slow, but it is better than nothing. I thought the threat of going to jail would motivate him to send the refund that I have promised in writing, but he is just like her. He has played the game for so long and so well that he has managed to milk out another 2 plus years… but at least it finally looks like we are about there. I fully expect him to disappear if a warrant is issued, but that would be much harder for her to do with horses. I know very little about bankruptcy, but if there is such a thing as to force her in involuntarily GO FOR IT !!! It would force her to liquidate and be left with almost nothing. You might end up with 25 cents on the dollar, but that’s 25 cents more than you are going to get at this point and it would stop her from adding more victims in her wake. Transactions to others beginning when they think it might be coming can be voided and the assets included, so transferring the horses to others will only lead to fraud charges against her AND the ones that are in on it and allow the assets to be transferred to their names. Bankruptcy courts REALLY frown on fraud…they virtually ALWAYS end up in jail.
SO BE STRONG…ORGANIZE. Happy to help in anyway I can. I am VERY good at it LOL.
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Hardly surprising given the state of her breeding lab. God knows what contaminants end up in the semen.[/QUOTE]
That’s what I instantly thought I would not bank against the stallion until someone runs his samples through a clean and appropriate lab. Lord knows what is getting microscopically mixed in with what is being sent to mares. :eek:
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I quickly looked up the Better Business Bureau http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-faqs/#onlyab and they WILL make reports on non-accredited businesses. So why doesn’t everybody start there? You can file a complaint here: https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/get-started
At least it would be a start for everybody![/QUOTE]
I hate to say it but the BBB is worthless. They have no power to do anything and nothing will come of it and it’s a waste of time. Go to the CA AG and the FBI. You don’t have to any where near CA to do either.
Oh, I simply meant just to be able to have all of the complaints listed on one website for all to see. I don’t think someone like myself can take everybody’s complaints and just go and list them on a webpage somewhere without repercussion
I asked this earlier, but my post was swallowed up…so what will happen to the folks that have already purchaced foals inutero? There are several on her website. Just wondering…it looks like it equals thousands and thousands of dollars.
BTW, none of you can force her into bankruptcy. Even the almighty IRS can’t force a liquidation unless they have such a huge tax amount due. Dont even think that is an option.
You can only go the civil route, file complaints and wear her down. The only way is to keep on her. If you just give up she wins. Trust me, like Equinedriver said, it takes ONE PERSISTENT Biatch to get this to stop. Many would be even better.
If I was in any of your shoes, I would be doing this, but I have never had even a nonodesire to do any business with her.
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Arguing cleanliness and culpability just clouds that message in my opinion. [/QUOTE]
Maybe, maybe not. When standing an EVA positive stallion, and processing semen in that mess, easy to contaminate another stallion’s sample, or another stallion himself by not being super clean with the AV
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And to the person who said they didn’t think Redwine’s conception rate was an issue…I have heard privately from an overwhelming number of people with open mares. .[/QUOTE]
Semen does not need to be bad coming from the stallion, or contaminated. It can be just the wrong extender, or even splitting the collection too many ways.
I often had to split a collection into 6 doses for 3 different breeders. My boy had plenty, but that is very dependent, and even somewhat dependent on the day. Without counting, especially on on the collectors end, but also on the reciever’s end, you have not idea if you are even getting enough semen to achieve a pregnancy.
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I asked this earlier, but my post was swallowed up…so what will happen to the folks that have already purchaced foals inutero? There are several on her website. Just wondering…it looks like it equals thousands and thousands of dollars.[/QUOTE]
I would expect that even if the horses were liquidated if there has been a complete exchange of funds and contract in place that after the foal is born/weaned it would go to inutero owner. Mares are sold pregnant w/out option of that foal all the time.
If not I would believe that those having had paid for foals would be able to place a lien against said foal.
No you would have to get a judgment and try to execute on it after.
I would get everyone together on the filing though.
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I would expect that even if the horses were liquidated if there has been a complete exchange of funds and contract in place that after the foal is born/weaned it would go to inutero owner. Mares are sold pregnant w/out option of that foal all the time.
If not I would believe that those having had paid for foals would be able to place a lien against said foal.[/QUOTE]
I really don’t think a liquidation is an issue at this point. But inutero transactions are really risky for this very reason and I am constantly amazed at how many people enter into them.
Yep, that’s what I meant as to whether it was relevant or not. Likely, Redwine is just fine…it’s the “human” counterpart making the problem. I have to say, seeing the photos of that lab and office made me go re-clean my already clean house. :no:
WOW! This has to be the most [edit] crazy horse story I have ever seen! So sad.
That said, JILL BURNELL is still buying mares!!! The word needs to get out that this woman is sick. I just talked with a friend in NorCal that was selling her Pablo daughter - JILL BURNELL bought the mare just about a week ago and now has her. This made my heart sick. I hope she can get the mare back - but the transaction has already happened =(
Surprise! I’m not Jill! Just someone who has been to GFF 6 times and posted pictures of my visits! How many of you have actually been to the farm and can vouch for the conditions? Zero, as evidenced by your false sense of bravado that you’ve obtained by sitting behind a computer and attacking someone off accusations by Jill’s supposed sister-in-law! The sister-in-law who hasn’t answered pm’s by 4 different people in regards to obtaining her contact info like she promised.
Forced bankruptcy? Give me a break! If you have a claim, make it at the appropriate venue not on a forum. Does anyone on this forum even have a legitimate claim, or is it " I personally know 5 people that have been shafted by Jill but they won’t come forward" yada yada? It’s obvious you people don’t like her, fine, don’t do business with her! For those that feel they have a claim, take her to court not some Internet rumor mill. The steps to the Court House are easy to find.
I find it interesting that everyone joining the bash wagon on elder abuse, are going off a post by the SIL with pictures and not by reports by adult protective services/police. I still find it interesting that the SIL waited until Jill moved to 35 acres to make her claims. The SIL is pissed because the property doesn’t have a place for the parents to live hence them moving in with her. There was no “rescue”! Again, why did she wait having lived in the same town and certainly must have known!
If anyone is adult enough and wants to discuss this, have the balls to pick up the phone and call me, my name is Mike and my number is 916-847-0869
One other thing for all you bashers, there’s new laws for Cyberbullying!
Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
Use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
Use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person
Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are performed in public forums, social media or online information sites and are intended to threaten a victim’s earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. Behaviors may include encouraging others to harass the victim and trying to affect a victim’s online participation. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.
A majority of states have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within stalking or harassment laws.
Most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking.
New California law: http://www.ikeepsafe.org/educational-issues/new-cyber-bullying-laws-going-into-effect-january-1-2012/
I think Jill has done that all by herself. :lol:
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One other thing for all you bashers, there’s new laws for Cyberbullying!
New California law: http://www.ikeepsafe.org/educational-issues/new-cyber-bullying-laws-going-into-effect-january-1-2012/[/QUOTE]
AHHHHh yes…I wondered when you would get around to this threat.
Truth is an absolute defense, both online and all other forms. I think it’s so hysterical when someone that is the criminal starts screaming about suing…HAVE AT IT.
Makes it so much easier to serve those papers from the AG’s office or other warrants when they show up in court. LOL.
