Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=waitn2see;6513364]
Has anyone looked up the SIL,to see what her back round looks like? (did she post her name?) I believe the camera she used was Jill’s, I don’t think Jill gave them permission to take pictures in her house out of context, I doubt she said they could take the camera with them when they left, I believe that is theft…(How would you like someone coming into your home, uninvited and snapping pictures with your camera?) Where was her brother over the last few years if the conditions where so bad for the parents, the parents have free will to come and go as they pleased. They had a travel trailer to take wherever they wanted…

I believe people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks… If what all of you are all saying is true then shame on you for kicking someone while they are down… Maybe if people paid their bills to her, she could in turn pay the people that she owes money too. Maybe our horse community should gather together and help someone who is in trouble rather then seeing how far they can be knocked down…

Personally I would much rather have my horses out in the weather then stuck in a 12X12… Aren’t horses meant to live outside?

I’m wondering why in some of the post by the SIL why she thinks the new place is so horrible? I didn’t know grassy pastures where a bad thing? just sayin. consider the source.[/QUOTE]

What number JB supporting first time posting alter is this 4…5?

[Long_Spot]

[QUOTE=waitn2see;6513364]
Has anyone looked up the SIL,to see what her back round looks like? (did she post her name?) I believe the camera she used was Jill’s, I don’t think Jill gave them permission to take pictures in her house out of context, I doubt she said they could take the camera with them when they left, I believe that is theft…(How would you like someone coming into your home, uninvited and snapping pictures with your camera?) Where was her brother over the last few years if the conditions where so bad for the parents, the parents have free will to come and go as they pleased. They had a travel trailer to take wherever they wanted…

I believe people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks… If what all of you are all saying is true then shame on you for kicking someone while they are down… Maybe if people paid their bills to her, she could in turn pay the people that she owes money too. Maybe our horse community should gather together and help someone who is in trouble rather then seeing how far they can be knocked down…

Personally I would much rather have my horses out in the weather then stuck in a 12X12… Aren’t horses meant to live outside?

I’m wondering why in some of the post by the SIL why she thinks the new place is so horrible? I didn’t know grassy pastures where a bad thing? just sayin. consider the source.[/QUOTE]

Posterity quote.

[Daventry]

@waitn2see;6513364

Has anyone looked up the SIL,to see what her back round looks like? (did she post her name?) I believe the camera she used was Jill’s, I don’t think Jill gave them permission to take pictures in her house out of context, I doubt she said they could take the camera with them when they left, I believe that is theft…(How would you like someone coming into your home, uninvited and snapping pictures with your camera?) Where was her brother over the last few years if the conditions where so bad for the parents, the parents have free will to come and go as they pleased. They had a travel trailer to take wherever they wanted…

I believe people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks… If what all of you are all saying is true then shame on you for kicking someone while they are down… Maybe if people paid their bills to her, she could in turn pay the people that she owes money too. Maybe our horse community should gather together and help someone who is in trouble rather then seeing how far they can be knocked down…

Personally I would much rather have my horses out in the weather then stuck in a 12X12… Aren’t horses meant to live outside?

I’m wondering why in some of the post by the SIL why she thinks the new place is so horrible? I didn’t know grassy pastures where a bad thing? just sayin. consider the source.

Well hello there new house guest. Man, doesn’t this just get old after awhile? And let me get this straight, after 40 some pages of all of this crap, now someone adds a new idea that everyone should be gathering together and paying Jill. fml :lol::lol::lol: She is truly the Bernie Madoff of the horse world.

[ldaziens]

[QUOTE=Mandarin;6513323]
So on the record your stating you’ve never been deposed?[/QUOTE]
Somebody’s been watching Law & Order!

[runwayz]

Or “Criminal Minds”! :lol:

[ldaziens]

[QUOTE=Kaluna;6513326]
'kay, so here’s what I don’t get. You seem to be a non-horse person who accompanied a woman to GFF to look at some foals. You don’t seem to know anything about horse breeding, or what professional breeding entails, or what a professional horse business entails. I’m getting this by your posts - you don’t know what a lab should look like, you argue with obvious professionals on this board. So what’s your angle? How did you even find this board to comment on it? I don’t get it.

Edited to include info for Mod 1. A breeding business is a business, whether you’re selling the semen or buying it and investing in that foal. This isn’t a joke. Some people have no problems here. Others have big problems. I’m appalled by the pics and the hit and miss professionalism. Is this your profession? No. It’s mine.

Go buy every foal on the property. Go do it. Now. Oh brother.[/QUOTE]

Mike is a commercial airline pilot; so his concept of customer service, cleanliness, and best business practices are based on commercial aviation. And anyone who flies knows what a delightful experience it is to try to get from point A to point B on a commercial airline.

[Flashback]

[QUOTE=Daventry;6513348]
I read this and just started to cry If this is a true story, I am so sorry for what you went through. A post like this makes me so damn angry and frustrated that this has been going on for so long![/QUOTE]

yep, true. And very frustrating. I was given the redwine breeding for free from an old friend of mine, and then my best friend used it on her mare, and it was just a huge debacle. Even beyond my mare aborting… The semen got here late twice (a day later than it should have, with a different excuse every time)

[Mandarin]

[QUOTE=ldaziens;6513366]
I’m stating for the record that this thread’s purpose is to support Jill Burnell’s victims and to prevent future victims.

Others are choosing to go on the record here denying and minimizing Jill’s bad behavior – acting as feeders to lure more victims her way.[/QUOTE]

Good Lord, what are you smoking?

[Noms]

I saved all the photos from the SIL just in case they went bye-bye.

[Toadie_s_mom]

Don’t stop guys. I’ve still got an hour and 1/2 left at work, and we’re really slow!

[Noms]

[QUOTE=Mandarin;6513392]
Good Lord, what are you smoking?[/QUOTE]

A big ole bag of weed. Please share!

[Rissa515]

This is my first time posting. My friend pointed this out to me.

I am ‘leasing’ my friends DWB to breed. We’ve been trying to breed to Redwine for the past two years. First year, super excited, mare was good to go. Later after trying 4 times, found out she had a utero infection and had her caslicked. Not sure why she got one but we brushed it off and tried for the next year. This year we tried 3 times with no luck. Even the vet was baffled after doing a biopsy, ultrasounds and cultures. The mare was perfectly normal and healthy but she never took.

Thousands of dollars later, I am left with nothing. I am not made out of money. I’ve been saving up for a while for an opportunity like this. After years of buying unwanted/untrained horses and turning them around I thought this was my ticket for a fancy AO hunter I’ve been dreaming of. I don’t know what I feel now. It has not sunk in yet that someone has taken my $ and has disappeared.

I’m ashamed. I can’t believe I have been taken for a fool. I am so ashamed I haven’t told any of my friends or family…I feel so numb right now, not sure what to do or where to turn.

I just wanted to share my story. That’s it, thanks for reading.

[runwayz]

Everyone as a group…“Hi Rissa515” welcome! Sorry about your experience.

[ldaziens]

[QUOTE=Rissa515;6513400]
This is my first time posting. My friend pointed this out to me.

I am ‘leasing’ my friends DWB to breed. We’ve been trying to breed to Redwine for the past two years. First year, super excited, mare was good to go. Later after trying 4 times, found out she had a utero infection and had her caslicked. Not sure why she got one but we brushed it off and tried for the next year. This year we tried 3 times with no luck. Even the vet was baffled after doing a biopsy, ultrasounds and cultures. The mare was perfectly normal and healthy but she never took.

Thousands of dollars later, I am left with nothing. I am not made out of money. I’ve been saving up for a while for an opportunity like this. After years of buying unwanted/untrained horses and turning them around I thought this was my ticket for a fancy AO hunter I’ve been dreaming of. I don’t know what I feel now. It has not sunk in yet that someone has taken my $ and has disappeared.

I’m ashamed. I can’t believe I have been taken for a fool. I am so ashamed I haven’t told any of my friends or family…I feel so numb right now, not sure what to do or where to turn.

I just wanted to share my story. That’s it, thanks for reading.[/QUOTE]

I am very sorry about what happened to you, and you do NOT need to be ashamed. There are a very few trolls on here, and you will need to ignore them and just realize we all know who and what they are.

PLEASE take full sized high resolution photos of the semen “lab” and the dead birds in the bathtub to your vet – make sure your vet knows that those dead birds were within 20’ of the lab, and let your vet know what is going on.

You DO need to PM Equinedriver asap, and she will collect your info to add to the list of victims that will be presented to the prosecutor & FBI. You are not alone, and there were people far more experienced and knowledgeable than you who got scammed; and it wasn’t their fault either.

Here’s a little info on scams and cons -
“Shame, guilt, and fear
Once a con artist has completed his scam, he will yank the rug out from under you.* Suddenly, without warning, you have to come to terms with the fact that you have been taken to the cleaners.**
—The effect is devastating - it was planned to be —
From the very start of a scam you are kept just slightly off balance so that you feel you must cling to the con artist for support.* During the entire manipulation, you are being emotionally positioned so that when the con artist disappears, you will feel as if you have pushed off a merry-go-round.* In effect, you were.
You are suddenly left without the rudder in whom you believed with all your heart.* To admit you were wrong can be emotionally shattering.* You are left reeling and alone with that voice inside your head yelling, “What have I done?!”
Dignity and self-esteem are gone, replaced with shame, guilt, embarrassment, and anger (usually self-directed).* You think I’m going overboard with this description?* Not really.* Not only have I been there, but I get letters from victims every day and that’s exactly how they all feel.”
from
http://www.fraudaid.com/backstage/why_scammers_dont_go_to_jail.htm

[FLeventer]

Welcome Rissa, thank you for sharing. I am sorry that it did not work out for you.

I have been reading this thread since day one. Its been a trip with house guests, stories (good and bad), and a lot of people that care about helping others from falling into jills traps.

[Mardi]

@waitn2see;6513364

Maybe our horse community should gather together and help someone who is in trouble rather then seeing how far they can be knocked down…

Welcome to this discussion.

This is not about a sister-in-law, a personal camera, or new property.

It’s about the devastation - known and unknown- that this breeder has caused in the hunter breeding industry during the past years. The scorched earth ranges from the doorstep of a top hunter trainer, to the barn door of small breeder.

Thankfully our horse community is coming together to help the people who are seeking restitution from their business dealings with GFF. State agencies and vets are being notified of the equine health concerns and the effects on the breeding industry as whole.

It’s time for this to stop, period.

[ldaziens]

[QUOTE=Mardi;6513422]
Welcome to this discussion.

This is not about a sister-in-law, a personal camera, or new property.

It’s about the devastation - known and unknown- that this breeder has caused in the hunter breeding industry during the past years. The scorched earth ranges from the doorstep of a top hunter trainer, to the barn door of small breeder.

Thankfully our horse community is coming together to help the people who are seeking restitution from their business dealings with GFF. State agencies and vets are being notified of the equine health concerns and the effects on the breeding industry as whole.

It’s time for this to stop, period.[/QUOTE]

AMEN!

[Mardi]

Welcome Rissa.
I’m so sorry you had to go through all that.

Please, please do what Idaziens recommended and notify your vet asap.

[eagle74]

“Mike is a commercial airline pilot; so his concept of customer service, cleanliness, and best business practices are based on commercial aviation. And anyone who flies knows what a delightful experience it is to try to get from point A to point B on a commercial airline”

Here we go! The Modus Operandi continues! Don’t like what someone has to say, attack their profession, works every time! Obviously you have no idea of the role of a wide body Captain! Keep going, great entertainment and I won’t stoop to your level and name call or try to minimize your career…

[ldaziens]

Regarding Prosecution & Restitution

"When losses occur to a group of scam victims, the loss total can meet or exceed the enforcement office’s threshold.

Forming a solid coalition of victims of the same scammer can be an arduous task.* Some group members don’t want to be bothered with reporting the scam while others are afraid to report the scam for fear of losing their money (which is long gone, an impossible admission for most fraud victims) ) or because of something in their life they believe will be uncovered in the investigation, or because their spouse doesn’t know their money has been lost.

Even counting the naysayers, there are usually enough victims in a scammed group who are sufficiently angry to add their loss amount and evidence to the pot.

As long as the group victims can hold together long enough to submit their story and evidence, group complaints are usually very successful, often more so than an individual complaints because more evidence can be accumulated."

from
http://www.fraudaid.com/solution_center/jurisdictions/intro-02.htm#defray

The positives in this situation -

1. Jill is NOT a scammer in Nigeria, she is in this country and we know where she lives

2. The money isn’t long gone. The horses are assets, and Jill and her husband, despite being foreclosed at their old place, put a substantial down payment on the new place. That said, there probably won’t be enough money to make everyone financially whole; and each day I, as a person completely unconnected from this side of the horse world, realize yet another area of damage this woman has done which ripples out & out & out & out.

3. Justice – a huge benefit is that this group is close and tight and the determination and passion to bring Jill Burnell to justice just grows stronger w/ every sad story shared here.