Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6513281]
Cancelled the night before. I am sure none of the foals will be registered this year. :no:[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know how many Aloha, Redwine, or Romantic Star foals have been registered with ISR/ONA in the past couple of years? I believe ISR publishes that info in its stallion guide.

@COTHalter44;6513281

Sorry but the house does not even top the THREE dead foals laying under a horse blanket outside her barn last year (2011) in the sun until she could dispose of them. A horrible image I will never get out of my head.

Unbelievable. No, on second thought, totally believable.

One can’t help but wonder what they died from. And how old they were. And if these foals had been promised to buyers. And what percentage it was of her foal crop for that year. Pretty weird, isn’t it, to have several foals die at the same time? Gee, I wonder if they contracted respiratory EVA from being exposed to their dams vaginal secretions after they were inseminated with Redwine semen…

For that matter, given her disregard for pretty much everything in her life except scamming buyers and taking people’s money, I wonder if there is even anyone present when the mares foal, or if there is any follow-up care to mare or foal (like disinfecting navel stumps, making sure the mare passes all placenta, etc.).

[Vintage_Lane_Sportho]

Jill"s stiffing people…

Even if people were stiffing Jill she has the means to control her business. She can change her policies on when and how her shipments are paid. You don’t start ripping people off because others have done it to you. Wake up!!! If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…it’s a duck. PERIOD!!

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=Kwill;6513586]
The lab is very relevant to the scamming, in my mind. The unsanitary conditions could have and probably are directly contributing to uterine infections, poor semen quality, and the spread of the EVA virus. Her lack of organization results in lost papers, delayed shipments of semen, and even some of her financial issues, most likely.

The angry accusations of stolen cameras, out of context photos, and whining that the parents could have lived in a travel trailer and left at any time (not buying that one, I am sure there was a reason they stayed even in terrible conditions) points to a person who makes excuses and is self-centered.

So all of this evidence does relate to the fact that despite having a marvelous group of stallions (and their offspring), GFF has some serious issues that need to be addressed for the good of the horse community.[/QUOTE]

It’s really not. There are so many insanely great reasons NOT to do business with Jill Burnell and Gray Fox Farm that everyone should be long gone before what goes on in the lab becomes an issue. If the lab was on par with the National Institute of Health in terms of cleanliness, no one should be doing business with her due to her unethical business practices so the fact that it is not is irrelevant.

It’s like not letting your son spend the night at Jerry Sandusky’s house now that his abuse is out in the open because he doesn’t ever mow his lawn.

[2bayboys]

[QUOTE=Daventry;6513717]
For someone who keeps being adamant about not knowing Jill, not being a horse person, just going to Jill’s with a friend and not defending her…46 posts later, here you are! I can’t think of a non-horsey man in their right mind that would post 5 times on this thread let alone 46.
SNIP

Seriously, this is the cause you decided to put all of your efforts into? Even I admit it’s starting to smell in here. I cry bulls#$t on the, “I’m just a guy that followed a friend to a farm.” If not, and this last statement is true, man, you got way to much time on your hands. :no:[/QUOTE]

And don’t forget that Mike is so invested in this cause that he posted his own phone number and invited people to call him to discuss this matter. It’s truly bizarre.

[TWF]

@COTHalter44;6513281

Cancelled the night before. I am sure none of the foals will be registered this year. :no:

Sorry but the house does not even top the THREE dead foals laying under a horse blanket outside her barn last year (2011) in the sun until she could dispose of them. A horrible image I will never get out of my head.

THREE? :eek:

ALL horses she ever stabled should be quarantined and sero tested.
Anybody know of a tip line # for Animal Planet?

[2bayboys]

[QUOTE=eagle74;6513459]
Finally someone states the mission statement! Remember though how this all started, Her house, her lab, her parents…Nothing about scamming in post 1![/QUOTE]

“You men” have a hard time understanding that in a discussion (remember this is a discussion forum), mission creep is perfectly understandable and acceptable. Such is the nature of discussion.

Or here’s a manly analogy: my agency recently served a search warrant with the purpose of uncovering an illegal operation of marijuana manufacture. During the investigation, it was discovered that the suspect also had thousands of images and videos containing child pornography. Guess where the focus of the prosecution is now? While we are still pursuing the drug charges, the pornography is more egregious and much more critical to our mission.

[sixpoundfarm]

And another one on Facebook, looking for papers on a purchase. Sad.

Pxxx Bxxx Wxxx (Name removed for privacy)
Still need papers on Rioja … Please let me know what I need to do to get this done!!

[KT_Farms]

Originally Posted by COTHalter44
Cancelled the night before. I am sure none of the foals will be registered this year.

Sorry but the house does not even top the THREE dead foals laying under a horse blanket outside her barn last year (2011) in the sun until she could dispose of them. A horrible image I will never get out of my head.

I am extremely disturb by this. Who would leave three dead foals lying around? I doubt she even cared to have a necropsy done on them too. Not sure what the rate off death would be in a “large” breeding operation, but three foals sounds like a lot, especially if you are advertising yourself as an “experienced” breeder. And then have someone come to your farm and look at potentially buying a foal, " Oh don’t mind the 3 dead foals lying over there, no worries, we take good care of our horses."
JB can go to hell in a hand basket for all I care.

[sixpoundfarm]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6513732]
Does anyone know how many Aloha, Redwine, or Romantic Star foals have been registered with ISR/ONA in the past couple of years? I believe ISR publishes that info in its stallion guide.

Quote:
Originally Posted by COTHalter44 View Post
Sorry but the house does not even top the THREE dead foals laying under a horse blanket outside her barn last year (2011) in the sun until she could dispose of them. A horrible image I will never get out of my head.

Unbelievable. No, on second thought, totally believable.

One can’t help but wonder what they died from. And how old they were. And if these foals had been promised to buyers. And what percentage it was of her foal crop for that year. Pretty weird, isn’t it, to have several foals die at the same time? Gee, I wonder if they contracted respiratory EVA from being exposed to their dams vaginal secretions after they were inseminated with Redwine semen…

For that matter, given her disregard for pretty much everything in her life except scamming buyers and taking people’s money, I wonder if there is even anyone present when the mares foal, or if there is any follow-up care to mare or foal (like disinfecting navel stumps, making sure the mare passes all placenta, etc.).[/QUOTE]

That is really sad about the foals! Things happen, and not everyone has HUGE financial resources to seek emergency neonatal care, but I would certainly suspect that something not right is going on with regard to their care!
And, agree with the poster above. Who would invite a potential horse buyer to see sale horses with SEVERAL deceased babies in a heap on the property? Seriously?!?!

Foal/In Utero buyer beware and then some!

[mbm]

[QUOTE=KT Farms;6513811]

I am extremely disturb by this. Who would leave three dead foals lying around?[/QUOTE]

any time a horse dies it is “left lying around under a blanket” until the rendering guy can come pick it up. Sometimes that can be a hour or a day…

and hopefully the dead horse/foal/whatever is under a blanket instead of just lying there…

so i dont find it odd to that a dead foal was “lying around under a blanket” but i cant make any comments about the number of them or how long they lay there.

[Cloverbarley]

1 foal dying is one thing. These things happen unfortunately. 3 foals dying at the same time? Well something is seriously amiss :no:

[Equine_Reproduction]

@eagle74;6513448

Someone commented that “yes, indeed that’s her lab I’ve been there” yet hasn’t answered if she immediately left the premises due to the conditions. With a little research, this breeder has used Redwine as late as 2010, why not warn the community if you witnessed such appalling conditions? Isn’t that what this whole thread is about, warning people about the alledged criminal behaviour? It’s obvious this person is highly respected in the Industry, why no warnings?

Your information is incorrect, but with the information you have posted, you are quite obviously speaking with Jill. I also see by the tone of your postings, you truly aren’t interested in what is relevant, factual and pertinent. I would be MORE than happy to post the whole sordid details of our experiences with Jill Burnell, but I can assure you that it does not reflect well on Jill Burnell, Gray Fox Farm, etc. I don’t think you really “are” interested in truth and facts, Mike/Eagle. Unfortunate as your original posts I agreed with. It’s an emotional hot topic for many here and much of the facts were being overshadowed by that.

For the record and to help keep the facts straight, we “did” breed to one of Gray Fox Farm’s stallions in 2009. Aloha, NOT Redwine. With semen we froze. And for the record, it was our experience with Jill Burnell and Gray Fox Farm that resulted in the establishment of the Leg-Up Equestrian Assistance Program, Inc. It truly was making lemons out of lemonade and turning something that was so disgusting and unpleasant and negative into something constructive and helpful. We try to channel negative energy into something positive and good. It’s so much more productive :D!

I’m more than capable of admitting that we, like many here, trusted what we were told to be factual and honest. We made a mistake and were duped like so many others. Jill comes across as likeable, knowledgeable, personable and funny - your new BFF - until she doesn’t like something you do or say. Then watch out! Not everything is as one would be lead to believe - obviously. This is no witch hunt. It’s just so much information about her operation and ethics and practices coming are coming to light. Unfortunate, as she truly did have the world by the tail. Nice horses. Bad business practices. You reap what you sow. I just empathize and sympathize with those that have lost so much due to how she does business.

[Daventry]

@Equine Reproduction;6513869

Your information is incorrect, but with the information you have posted, you are quite obviously speaking with Jill.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

[Simkie]

@mbm;6513818

so i dont find it odd to that a dead foal was “lying around under a blanket” but i cant make any comments about the number of them or how long they lay there.

[quote=Cloverbarley;6513867]1 foal dying is one thing. These things happen unfortunately. 3 foals dying at the same time? Well something is seriously amiss :no:
[/quote]

Right. Options here are either:

a) Three foals all died within hours of each other and the dead truck was on the way

or

b) Three foals died within DAYS of each other and Jill had not bothered to call the dead truck for the first or the second (and perhaps not yet for the third) and was instead just trying to hide the dead foals under a blanket

Both options are grim.

[Vintage_Lane_Sportho]

Roy Parker/Eagle74

Eagle74/Roy Parker I’ve been involved with a few people who have stuck there nose where it didn’t belong and let me tell you it came back and slapped them in the face. People like Jill are not particular and quranteed you will be apologizing to someone in the end. You might be pleased with yourselves right now but ultimately you will in some shape or form feel the sting of Jill Burnell. It amazes me that you find it acceptable for this women to take money from people and in return give nothing. A few satisfied customers means nothing, luck was on their side. She may have been honest at the beginning when she was starting out, but when desperation sets in anything goes…survival of the fittest.

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=Donatella;6513651]
Sorry if this was already answered: do JB’s lab conditions mean breeding to any of her stallions might be an EVA risk, not just Redwine?[/QUOTE]

Please see page 31, post #603 from Equine Reproduction.
It’s an excellent post, and addresses this very serious concern among breeders.

[JoZ]

@Laurierace;6513744

It’s like not letting your son spend the night at Jerry Sandusky’s house now that his abuse is out in the open because he doesn’t ever mow his lawn.

I think it’s more like not letting your son spend the night at Jerry Sandusky’s house because he doesn’t wash his penis. One can get screwed in so many ways, no one way less or more relevant than the next.

[Vintage_Lane_Sportho]

Simkie …or foals were dying and she couldn’t afford to pay the dead stock truck…or they wouldn’t come because she already owes them too much without payment!!!

[Noms]

[QUOTE=Vintage Lane Sporthorses;6513924]
Simkie …or foals were dying and she couldn’t afford to pay the dead stock truck…or they wouldn’t come because she already owes them too much without payment!!![/QUOTE]

Her tolerance for dead things lying around her house is high, and is probably equally as high for dead things lying around her barn! She did not care.

[ise]

Regarding the #'s of foals presented to the ISR/OLDNA:
totals 2008 - 2011 (none before 2008 and 2012 obviously not available.

ALOHA = 9
REDWINE = 35
ROMANTIC STAR = 11
FEDERALIST = 1

Of those foals presented 24 belonged to Jill Burnell

Keep in mind - some of the stallions are approved by multiple registries.

I will also state again - if you are a member of the ISR/OLDNA registry and you have had contractual problems, etc. with this Breeder - PLEASE write to the registry and detail the problems.