Dr. Betsee Parker in fur!!!!!! Disgusting.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8020353]
That’s probably the biggest statement she makes.

On a different note, how old is Betsee’s daughter? I read somewhere that she also rides, but am surprised we don’t hear much about her. Did she lose interest? Or does Betsee try to shield her from the media?[/QUOTE]

Shes a young tweener or teen IIRC. She does show. They don’t hide her but try to stay low key. Must be hard to read adults trashing your mother like a bunch of high school mean girls. The fur debate I get. The I don’t like your hat and self esteem projections, not so much.

Say again, you need to look at more win pictures if you think this one is so especially bad. Or actually go to Palm Beach in high season, there’s a lot of …different…looks out there. Even more bad Botox.

[enjoytheride]

I will have to say that I always thought Angora was safe as I’d seen plenty of videos of people carefully grooming their rabbits and then hand spinning the fur.

Then I watched a video of how it is actually mass collected and lost my lunch.

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=fish;8019030]
I don’t get it. Horse shows, horse races, etc., are not exactly events with dress codes, nor are win pictures moments for which anyone (aside from the presenters, perhaps) specifically dress up. People are invited “come as you are–now.” So an owner (especially one suffering from acute cold sensitivity) might well show up in a fur coat, while a groom arrives in short sleeves and pants. This is supposed to be an impromptu celebration, not a fashion-show.

IMO, this entire thread makes Betsee Parker’s critics look “disgusting,” not her.[/QUOTE]

You are reading waaay too much into my post.- which is a comment about the temperature + attire - meaning if a guy is comfortable wearing short sleeves and shorts, one could say that it might be a bit tad over the top to don a full length, heavy looking fur coat (vs a different type of fur/style) that would be, IMO, more appropriate for apres ski strolling along the streets of Aspen where snow capped mountains form a backdrop rather than a background of palm trees. I know nothing about this woman’s health issues (extreme cold sensitivity?Raynaud’s) if it was sooo cold to require a full length fur coat and for a person who suffers from extreme cold I’m now left wondering why then no gloves ?

There is a big difference in having an opinion about a person’s fashion choice vs. criticizing them as individuals. Joan Rivers made quite a career for herself by commenting on people’s fashion. Just saying.

[fish]

[QUOTE=RugBug;8020611]
Really? I don’t get that at all. I see someone wearing a very pretty fur coat with a fugly cowboy hat. I don’t see anything about self-esteem. In fact, I image it takes a good amount of self-esteem or i-don’t-give-a-@#$% to wear a coat like that.[/QUOTE]

I came back to this thread to say pretty much the same thing. A lot of people on this thread seem to have pretty inflated notions of how much other people care about their clothes. IMO, Parker’s attire “screams” that she’s going to be comfortable and have fun regardless of what others think-- and despite a medical condition that necessitates extraordinary protections against getting cold even in comparatively warm weather. I suggest that those disparaging her for wearing a warm coat while her groom is in short sleeves and pants consider the distinct possibility that it could be downright dangerous to do otherwise.

Not that that’s anyone else’s business, or that I would expect the self-appointed fashion police on this forum to give a damn anyway.

[fish]

[QUOTE=gottagrey;8020847]
You are reading waaay too much into my post - which is a comment about the temperature + attire - meaning if a guy is comfortable wearing short sleeves and shorts it one could say that it might be a bit tad over the top to don a full lenght, heavy looking fur coat that would be, IMO, more appropriate for apres ski strolling the streets of Aspen or where snow capped mountains form the backdrop rather than a background of palm trees.[/QUOTE]

You obviously failed to read the post regarding Parker’s medical condition. FYI, there are many such conditions (including my own history of frostbite affecting the circulation to my hands and feet), which make it necessary for some people to dress more (or less) warmly than others. I once knew a psychiatrist, for example, who had to wear layers of shawls and keep a space heater at her feet while interviewing patients because she had a heart condition that made it impossible to keep warm without such measures whenever she had to sit still.

I suggest you try to keep in mind that the world can look and feel very different from our different sets of moccasins-- which is why my post included the reminder that someone “suffering from acute cold sensitivity” might well very ‘appropriately’ appear in a fur coat her even in temperate weather.

Not that it’s anyone else’s “appropriate” position to judge.

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=fish;8020865]
You obviously failed to read the post regarding Parker’s medical condition. FYI, there are many such conditions (including my own history of frostbite affecting the circulation to my hands and feet), which make it necessary for some people to dress more (or less) warmly than others. I once knew a psychiatrist, for example, who had to wear layers of shawls and keep a space heater at her feet while interviewing patients because she had a heart condition that made it impossible to keep warm without such measures whenever she had to sit still.

I suggest you try to keep in mind that the world can look and feel very different from our different sets of moccasins.[/QUOTE]

Oh for gosh sakes - no one is saying the woman shouldn’t be wearing a coat It’s THAT particular coat-especially when compared to the groom with the polo and shorts on - which others on this thread have also made similar comments.

And yes I “failed” to read the post regarding her medical condition (so beat me w/a wet noodle). Frankly I find it much more offensive to be broadcasting the woman’s health issues on the internet than commenting on her choice of cold weather gear!!

[jvanrens]

[QUOTE=gottagrey;8020883]
Oh for gosh sakes - no one is saying the woman shouldn’t be wearing a coat It’s THAT particular coat-especially when compared to the groom with the polo and shorts on - which others on this thread have also made similar comments.

And yes I “failed” to read the post regarding her medical condition (so beat me w/a wet noodle). Frankly I find it much more offensive to be broadcasting the woman’s health issues on the internet than commenting on her choice of cold weather gear!![/QUOTE]

It could be that the groom is really sorry that he didn’t wear warmer attire for that particular day/night. I’ve done that myself a few nights paddocking racehorses. Sometimes the temperature changes quicker than the forecast calls for.

[dkcbr]

Why is what someone else is wearing so important to so many?

[Coanteen]

[QUOTE=dkcbr;8020978]
Why is what someone else is wearing so important to so many? [/QUOTE]

starts a Hunter hair debate

[fish]

[QUOTE=gottagrey;8020883]
Oh for gosh sakes - no one is saying the woman shouldn’t be wearing a coat It’s THAT particular coat-especially when compared to the groom with the polo and shorts on - which others on this thread have also made similar comments.

And yes I “failed” to read the post regarding her medical condition (so beat me w/a wet noodle). Frankly I find it much more offensive to be broadcasting the woman’s health issues on the internet than commenting on her choice of cold weather gear!![/QUOTE]

Excuse me, but I’ve seen so many people with medical conditions abused by people who haven’t a clue (not to mention a shred of empathy) regarding what it’s like to live with them, that I, think it important to attempt a little public education when the subject comes up.

Yes, other people on this thread have made comments similar to yours, and many others have made comments similar to mine because we find yours completely mean-spirited, lacking any any redeeming social purpose, and reflective of an elitist attitude already sadly associated with the horse showing community.

[Coanteen]

[QUOTE=fish;8021005]
Excuse me, but I’ve seen so many people with medical conditions abused by people who haven’t a clue (not to mention a shred of empathy) regarding what it’s like to live with them, that I, think it important to attempt a little public education when the subject comes up.[/QUOTE]

Oh for crying out loud, wearing fur is a choice, medical condition or not. If people in the high Arctic can remain comfortable using synthetics, so can a lady in Florida with cold sensitivity.

I don’t even have an issue with her choice. Like I said, I have a fur hat. It wasn’t handed down to me, I bought it. But let’s not make this into some kind of “it must be sable or else she’ll suffer terribly” reductio ad absurdum. People wear fur because they like fur.

[fish]

[QUOTE=up-at-5;8020703]
My Carhartt keeps me toasty warm, even in -35c weather, with just a thin t-shirt underneath. No need for fur. My saddles, boots, etc, probably came from what, 2 cows, that someone bbq’d. The leather is a by product of the food industry. Fur for fashion is wrong on so many levels.[/QUOTE]

I had hoped that Wendy’s post put an end to this thread. My bet is that our destruction of habitat has done and continues to do far more damage to furry species (and countless others) than any industry motivated to keep renewing what it harvests.

I find the recommendation that we eschew natural fur in favor of synthetic, petroleum-based products absurd.

Speaking of which-- anybody go out to witness the harvesting of down? (Just curious)

[SportArab]

I am just amazed at the hypocrisy on this thread. There is no way you can justify an abhorrence of fur if you think it’s perfectly fine to eat meat and wear/use leather products that come from the horrors of the slaughter house. You may want to think that everything is rosy because there is regulation but that is self delusion. Have you seen how cattle live even before that? Have you seen how calves destined to become veal live? Really.

[Outyougo]

I miss Joan Rivers.

[Sparrowette]

[QUOTE=yaya;8016925]
Ooh, how do I find a place that does this? I inherited a mink coat from my grandmother and it’s way too big.[/QUOTE]

Be careful about taking it in. I have an old mouton that I wore when I was (ahem) smaller… I wish to dog I could get into it now. That thing was so, so WARM!

[gottagrey]

[QUOTE=fish;8021005]
Excuse me, but I’ve seen so many people with medical conditions abused by people who haven’t a clue (not to mention a shred of empathy) regarding what it’s like to live with them, that I, think it important to attempt a little public education when the subject comes up.

Yes, other people on this thread have made comments similar to yours, and many others have made comments similar to mine because we find yours completely mean-spirited, lacking any any redeeming social purpose, and reflective of an elitist attitude already sadly associated with the horse showing community.[/QUOTE]

My comment is mean spirited? IS this is the ONLY coat made in the world that can keep a person with cold sensitivity warm in 60 degree temps! Its not about her or anyone’s medical condition, it’s about this particular (read: specific style) coat that, in MY opinion, is over the top. Why is it mean spirited to simply disagree with someone’s sense of style, choice of coat? How do you interpret, this coat = she shouldn’t be wearing a coat at all, to heck w the cold weather, and to heck w/ medical conditions? That’s deep stretch to equate not liking a person’s coat to saying that I lack compassion for people with medical conditions.
Ever watch What Not to Wear? Every episode is about bringing about a woman’s beauty (inner and outer) no matter what shape, size, or age, they are!

and my opinion about this coat being

reflective of an elitist attitude already sadly associated with the horse showing community
is pretty rich considering this thread is about a full length fur coat at a horse show in Palm Beach? And you’re calling me an elitist? HA.

And since you’re on this kick to lecture me and, perhaps others, abut mean spirited comments, you might want to think about a person’s privacy when it comes to airing their medical conditions on a public forum as IMO (again this Is just my opinion) that is far more invasive and perhaps hurtful, and dare I say lacks compassion, than disagreeing with one’s choice of an outfit on one particular evening.

[fish]

[QUOTE=SportArab;8021032]
I am just amazed at the hypocrisy on this thread. There is no way you can justify an abhorrence of fur if you think it’s perfectly fine to eat meat and wear/use leather products that come from the horrors of the slaughter house. You may want to think that everything is rosy because there is regulation but that is self delusion. Have you seen how cattle live even before that? Have you seen how calves destined to become veal live? Really.[/QUOTE]

I’ll say. I heard a radio interview with an animal welfare expert recently who commented that cockfighters treat their birds more humanely than conventional poultry and egg producers.

I’m fortunate enough to have friends and neighbors who still raise food animals the old-fashioned way: outside, with cattle eating grass, chickens pecking through the manure… or just plain wild, like venison and turkey (i.e., the old-fashioned kind-- that can still fly!!). I think it’s pretty well-established that the further food animals get from modern factory farms, the healthier both they and we are, and the better they taste. Sort of all a piece with fur being warmer than any synthetic.

[fish]

[QUOTE=gottagrey;8021099]
My comment is mean spirited? IS this is the ONLY coat made in the world that can keep a person with cold sensitivity warm in 60 degree temps! Its not about her or anyone’s medical condition, it’s about this particular (read: specific style) coat that, in MY opinion, is over the top. Why is it mean spirited to simply disagree with someone’s sense of style, choice of coat? How do you interpret, this coat = she shouldn’t be wearing a coat at all, to heck w the cold weather, and to heck w/ medical conditions? That’s deep stretch to equate not liking a person’s coat to saying that I lack compassion for people with medical conditions.
Ever watch What Not to Wear? Every episode is about bringing about a woman’s beauty (inner and outer) no matter what shape, size, or age, they are!

and my opinion about this coat being is pretty rich considering this thread is about a full length fur coat at a horse show in Palm Beach? And you’re calling me an elitist? HA.

And since you’re on this kick to lecture me and, perhaps others, abut mean spirited comments, you might want to think about a person’s privacy when it comes to airing their medical conditions on a public forum as IMO (again this Is just my opinion) that is far more invasive and perhaps hurtful, and dare I say lacks compassion, than disagreeing with one’s choice of an outfit on one particular evening.[/QUOTE]

I did not “air” anyone’s medical conditions. Someone else mentioned it before I did, presumably a friend of Parker’s who would know whether or not she’d care, just as I know that my niece, for example, is more than fine about my discussing her cystic fibrosis-- especially in efforts to educate people about the condition. Besides, the point is not the medical condition, per se, but that people have their own reasons for what they choose to wear, and they deserve to be respected.

And no, I do not consider wearing a mink elitist, as it does no harm and might be doing some genuine good. I fail to see, however, how demeaning others for their choices of attire-- especially using a word as strong as “disgusting”-- does any good at all. And, yes, it does strike me as pretty “elitist” for people to go on and on about a mink, or hat… being the “wrong” shape or color… when worn in a situation to which fashion is (or should be) entirely irrelevant. If you want to criticize clothing choices, go to a fashion show, fancy dress ball, or other event in which dressing up is part of the occasion, not a momentary “come as you are” celebration of equestrian victory.

No surprise that I don’t share your taste in T.V. shows. It’s a rare “make over” show that doesn’t leave me thinking the people (or homes) were better off without the “help,” which at least comes off as well-intentioned, which has hardly been the case with the criticisms spewed out on this thread.

[orangecrush]

Wow. Can’t believe this thread is still going. Is there an expression about beating a dead sable???

[Coanteen]

[QUOTE=orangecrush;8021171]
Wow. Can’t believe this thread is still going. Is there an expression about beating a dead sable???[/QUOTE]

It’s fine to keep beating a dead one. If you attempt to beat a live one, you apparently might end up in ER though.