Watched all of the afternoon of the GP special and most of the morning (had to go to the village for a potty break). Only ride I did not enjoy was Desperados FRH - he does something really hinky with his hind end during passage and piaffe. Some of the horses seemed a little hotter today (even Valegro spooked at something!) and somebody went off course as well.
In general, some fabulous horses and riding, just what you would expect.
Love it. Love the way CD makes it look like the horse is doing it himself [ she makes a suggestion, almost seems to give him the reins - and he goes there. Did not see the hinkiness in Desparados - he is a fav of mine though. The grey PRE NOrte is very nice = they have taught those guys to extend!
They WERE hotter today, because it’s not about team effort today - it’s about going for it and making the cut for the FS. So, they all pushed the envelope - some won, some pushed too far.
Nice to see some younger riders and younger horses. The future looks bright.
Did anyone mention that I Werth withdrew because Belle was sore form the footing?
Here are today’s GPS scoresheets: http://score.normandie2014.com/results/dressage/DRE-PRI-IND-DG-2.pdf
It was an amazing day. Watching the nice horses in the morning groups, thinking - oh so nice. Then comes the afternoon groups - and it is as if the horses are a different species - floatier, stronger, more expressive - seeing them one after another, live, is a real educational experience. Also really pointed out the difference between the Iberians and the WBs - (I ride an Andi, so no bias here) - the best ones really do not have the reach (in general) and power that the better WBs do. The score differences is not bias - it’s the reality of the breeds.
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Did anyone mention that I Werth withdrew because Belle was sore form the footing?[/QUOTE]
You know that was one of my questions. Have any of the riders said anything about the footing? I’ve seen a couple that have but didn’t outright say it was bad. Watching the horses go it just seems like the footing is quite hard.
Does anyone know who did the footings?
Here’s some video I found.
Hans Peter Minderhoud & Glock’s Johnson TN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNb2PlG0x5w
ADELPRAG ANDERS 451 & Chere BURGER, First Frysian Horse at WEG 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdSJImGtts
Diederik van Silfhout en Arlando - Grand Prix Special WEG 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsufb2L2N3s
Isabel WErth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUkqPHj-HI
Edward Gal with Glock’s Voice - WEG 2014 Dressage Grand Prix Special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMp5mhWHukE
WEG 2014 Morgan Barbançon & Painted Black - GP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvASGLGlM1A
WEG 2014 Laura Graves & Verdades - GPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWV0MI5SfX8
WEG 2014 Anna ?ukasik POL Stella Pack Ganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooRMkwfPbI8
Tinne Vilhelmson - GP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ecvuAoMzk
Adrienne Lyle & Wizard - GPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGXPN9ZRlk
Grand Prix Special ~ Mary Hanna - Sancette
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=760HbpLEGkw
Adelinde Cornelissen with Parzival - WEG 2014 Team Championship Dressage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2F43BERFBc
Helen Langehanenberg with Damon Hill - WEG 2014 Grand Prix Special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84xYHNWKZP4
Pedro Almeida - Samba - WEG - França - Normadie - 25/8/2014 Dressage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K6yZDWI_MQ
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Have any of the riders said anything about the footing? I’ve seen a couple that have but didn’t outright say it was bad. Watching the horses go it just seems like the footing is quite hard.
Does anyone know who did the footings?[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere that the riders were concerned about the footing the first day - said it was too hard, and that it had been rolled (“for the jumpers”) instead of dragged. And the footings guy said they had designed it to take a lot of rain.
Then I read a comment by one of the higher placed riders that the footing was really nice after all the rain the first day. (I want to say it was Laura, but don’t remember for sure).
Adelinde and KNHS are complaining about her penalty points for entering the arena late. Anyone notice that?
I had not read about the footing, but it seems odd that only one horse went so lame that it had to be withdrawn. Was the mare ridden before the rain started?
I followed the links privided and did not see any specific comments that the footing was the problem.
If the Germans were indicating that the problem was that the footing had been prepared for the jumpers — well, jumpers gallop over the footing and take off and land on the footing. Should they (and others) be worried that their jumpers might be at risk on such footing? Not saying that it is appropriate for dressage horses, but for just one horse to go very lame due to a bruised sole? In my experience bruised soles that cause overnight lameness come from stepping on a rock.
Sounds more like an abscess to me. Or a corn. Something that had been brewing for a while and just happened to come out at an incredibly bad time
Since the statment would have been issued in German, perhaps something was lost in translation? Or perhaps the Germans use the same word for “bruise” as they do for “corn” or “abscess”.
Not exculpating anyone, but throwing out other possibilites for the mare’s lameness.
i think we should be careful about translations in the many articles. Have seen other series of articles about Totilas scratch where it was everything from popped a splint to striking the “thigh”.
it has always sounded like a stone bruise to me. I thought the arena footing looks very nice and very honest.
if there is crushed rock in the path and barn area a stone bruise seems more reasonable
When they showed the slow motion video of the horses feet it often seemed quite hard to me.
I didn’t mean to imply the footing had anything to do with the injury, to me also it sounded like a stone bruise or abscess.
What I should have said is that the footing might be affecting some competitors performances. But then again considering the amount of rain they have gotten the horses weren’t slipping and sliding at all and that’s what’s most important.
Edit:
“Riders aired their views about the footing on Sunday through their national chef’s d’equipe at a meeting with the International Equestrian Federation (FEI) technical delegate and the FEI footing consultant.”
http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=27951
I am behind the times, but I saw some disturbing comments in Facebook the other day accusing the 4th place winner of Rolkur…mind you they were commenting based on pictures which I told them could have been a moment in time, but I don’t see Rolkur in that riders performance…
Can anyone share there thoughts on it? I don’t have the link to the video unfortunately…but I’d like to comment on their string as I’m not really agreeing…
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I am behind the times, but I saw some disturbing comments in Facebook the other day accusing the 4th place winner of Rolkur…mind you they were commenting based on pictures which I told them could have been a moment in time, but I don’t see Rolkur in that riders performance…
Can anyone share there thoughts on it? I don’t have the link to the video unfortunately…but I’d like to comment on their string as I’m not really agreeing…[/QUOTE]
She’s well known and notorious for it. It’s not a surprise that Adelinde uses or used Rollkur. After London she had made statements as if she were moving away from it, so I don’t know how she trains now, but it was no secret that she did. I did not see her rides this time so I don’t know if she had her horse’s nose touching his chest this week like she did while riding around the ring prior to entering in London. It may be witch hunting out of knowing she used to use rollkur, but it also wouldn’t at all surprise me if she were riding nose to chest again - it’s how she trained and learned to handle intimidating environments with him; that kind of security blanket behavior is hard to give up once it’s ingrained.
I know that, in dressage the higher the marks the better. And in Eventing, marks are changed to penalty points, so the lower the score the better.
But I just heard one of the commentators say that a rider had had a trot step in a canter movement and would be marked down for that. Plus the number of scores in the 60’s seem awfully high if they are penalty scores, whereas scores in the 30’s seem to be more in line with scores at other major events I have seen.
Am I wrong (again 
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I know that, in dressage the higher the marks the better. And in Eventing, marks are changed to penalty points, so the lower the score the better.
But I just heard one of the commentators say that a rider had had a trot step in a canter movement and would be marked down for that. Plus the number of scores in the 60’s seem awfully high if they are penalty scores, whereas scores in the 30’s seem to be more in line with scores at other major events I have seen.
Am I wrong (again ) ?[/QUOTE]
Eventing dressage tests are scored just like regular dressage tests; they earn a total number of points, which can be calculated into a percentage score. However, in eventing, that percentage score is then converted into penalty points. That’s why you’re seeing both the percentage points in the 60s and 70s, as well as the penalty points to which those percentages are converted.
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;7735679]
I know that, in dressage the higher the marks the better. And in Eventing, marks are changed to penalty points, so the lower the score the better.
But I just heard one of the commentators say that a rider had had a trot step in a canter movement and would be marked down for that. Plus the number of scores in the 60’s seem awfully high if they are penalty scores, whereas scores in the 30’s seem to be more in line with scores at other major events I have seen.
Am I wrong (again ) ?[/QUOTE]
Hopefully I’m explaining this correctly, and if not, that someone will correct me.
The dressage score is calculated with a 1.5 coefficient to get penalty points in eventing. According to the FEI rules for eventing, the average dressage percentage from the three judges is subtracted from 100, then multiplied by 1.5 to arrive at the penalty points after the dressage phase.
So a 70% dressage score is 30 penalty points. Multiply that by the 1.5 coefficient, and you get a score of 45.
In eventing as it happens they are scored as a regular dressage test would be, then it is converted to penalty points. At this level there is a 1.5 coefficient on dressage, so scores in the 60s don’t mean they scored in the 30s percentage-wise.
They actually would have scored in the 50s up to 60, so if someone scored a 60%, their penalty points would be (100-(percentage))x1.5= 40x1.5 = 60. If they scored 50, it would be 50x1.5 = 75, but if they scored 70 it would be 30x1.5 = 45. So the scores in the 30s were in the 70s in straight percentages.
ETA: I was typing while Kadenz and Gracious were - they’re correct!
RE Parzival - I saw both his rides. Less BTV than I have seen in other years and pics. SOme facebook forums are claiming he is “winning” - he is not - 4th place, 7points behind in GPS. Still to tight for my liking.
Woo! Hoo! For Laura Graves! I have not had the chance to meet her yet, but when I gave up the lease on my barn, one of my boarders went to board with Laura and she has only wonderful things to say about her. I am looking for her return to Central Florida. The manager at the local Dover store and I have talked about having a special event for her at the store. It will be exciting to hear about her incredible journey!
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;7735679]
I know that, in dressage the higher the marks the better. And in Eventing, marks are changed to penalty points, so the lower the score the better.
But I just heard one of the commentators say that a rider had had a trot step in a canter movement and would be marked down for that. Plus the number of scores in the 60’s seem awfully high if they are penalty scores, whereas scores in the 30’s seem to be more in line with scores at other major events I have seen.
Am I wrong (again ) ?[/QUOTE]
Scores in the 30’s would be normal eventing dressage scores if you are talking about certain levels. I think it’s only the FEI events that use the 1.5 factor?
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