Sonesta, Sorry. I should have worded that part differently. She DOES move like what they want, and is correct by Sporthorse standards, but is in a different “package”- does that make sense? She is correct in body/movement for a sporthorse, but bred as a sporthorse from a differing approach.
Sorry I worded that wrong… forgive me???
ljs… thank you I hope all can be as open minded as you!! I know no horse is “perfect”, and if anything I would shorten her back… that’s about it on her… Of course, the more “modern type” is on a rectangular frame… and she is what I would call a “modern” type sporthorse.
What classes are you showing in at Devon?? Mara will be in the AWR, IRC, and TASHR, as will daddy.
Well this post is obviously directed at comments I made earlier regarding the Kigers. Regarding DNA testing, I am repeating what was told to me by Marye Ann Thompson the registrar of the Spanish Mustang Registry and close friend of Dr. Phil Sponenburg. SHE is the one who stated the bit about the QH relationship from the DNA testing. She might well be mistaken or getting mixed messages from Gus Cothran and if I spread misinformation about your breed, I am sorry. I will email her and ask for clarification on this and her sources.
The SMR will not accept only DNA testing in accepting horses into the registry. There is too much uncertainty in interpretation of the DNA testing and the markers are too rare as it is. They research a herd’s history going back a long ways to determine if there has been any known outside blood added and they also visit the feral herds to look for any obviously “unspanish” types.
When the Brislawns visited the Kiger herd (and I have this information first hand from the lips of Emmett and Josie 
), they said that they found horses that were definitely not spanish mustangs running with the feral herds. They would not accept any Kigers for that reason. They also are looking for uniformity within the herds and they said they did not find it in that HMA. They said there were some really nice ones and some that were not spanish in type at all. Like I commented earlier if you read what I said, I feel that is a shame because there are obviously some colonial spanish horses in that HMA and I hate to see any horses of that blood disqualified from inclusion in the registry at a time when our horses are so very rare. I am not the one that makes that decision however…
Anyway…I have no desire to get into a fight over this issue. If you believe that your horses are as pure as what the SMR has than that is great. There are many who will agree with you and many that won’t but one thing I can say is that SMR reg. horses are accepted without question into all Colonial Spanish registries like HOA, SSMR, and AIHR and it doesn’t go that way for all of them. I am forwarding your post to Marye Ann and will ask her to clarify the DNA comment she made to me.
I looked at your horses and they are lovely. I am very pleased to see more people dicovering these wonderful horses that are into sport horse disciplines.
And for the record, I was NOT one of the founders of TASHR, sheesh. But I registered my filly with them because I support the goals.
Kim - sent another e-mail to your aol addie. Don’t know if you got it or not… 
Shawnee_acres. Why should I direct that at you ? I do not even know what you are breeding. I will look through your profile (and Homepage ? though to find out.)
We have a saying over here “whom the shoe fits - he puts it on”. Meaning who thinks he is meant, reacts upon it. So why do you jump at it ? Do you think you are barn blind ?
It was not directed at anybody in particular although I have some breeders in my mind from here that maybe on this board would know on my mind. But as somebody said earlier. I have never had contact with people that bred so many stunning, world class, stallion-/FEI prospects as after starting reading this forum. Maybe that is an american trait or really barn blindness - I do not know, but I find that remarkable.
In my environment the word stallion prospect is not even used to characterize a foal unless the Oldenburg breeding registry named a foal as such. Hey and that is not because the foals are not good enough.
Tawna your filly is GORGEOUS…I just love her! I think she is very special and a very nice modern type. I’d like to steal her 
I think that you just need to keep believing in your own program and the horses you produce and even if they don’t do well at the line shows, it is performance that really matters and is what counts. How many line class winners have you saw that never amount to anything in the show ring? I’d rather have a performance horse.
Good luck with her!
I’m witcha lianne!
Ruach,
If you WANT the appaloosa coloring, do a bit of research and breed to a homozygous coat pattern (only fewspots and snowcaps are known to be homozygous patterns, therefore throwing 100% color/characteristics). A lot of folks see a leopard and say “Wow I WILL get color from that” and are EXTREMELY dissappointed when they do not (leopards are only 50% chance of color production). Also chestnut solid hroses with white have a better chance of getting loud color. A VERY well known appaloosa sport horse Chokolate Confetti traces to the saddlebred breed, he is truly a fabulous hrose and I REALLY want to get some of his bloodline in my program someday
WEll as I think I mentioned we were wanting to breed a distinctly american breed of horse first and foremost. SEcondly, wanted a “Sport type” horse. Third, my husband is native american and I ahd ridden many appaloosas in competitions and found them to be very tough. I have bred TB’s, QH’s and warmbloods previously having owned a son of Abdullah at one time, But I wanted something mroe unique that SAID something about our priorities and the american appaloosa did just that. We searched quite a bit for the exact stallion I wanted, becuase there WERE no stallions right in this area that combined the sport horse type of build, and would be a 100% color producer to cross on TB mares to get color. Our search eld us to the west coast, where we purchased a nice young horse in Idaho (the “home” on the appaloosa original breeders, the Nez Perce). I determined very quickly that I wanted to use the most foudnation app bloodlines and the TB to produce my horses and the stallion was jut the right amount of both. We own a foundation appaloosa mare, two TB mares and one 1/2 app 1/2 TB amre I competed on last year. I also have a three year old foundation app mares that will be use for breeding later on. I already had apps before buying that stallion, and had one of the TB’s bred to a very nice local app (that is the sire of three of our other apps) BUT he was not a 100% color producer and the foal was solid, but NICE! He has been bought by a young lady who will make him into an event horse later on. I have always been impressed by the toughness of the app breed, the disposition, the willingness and “try” and the color. So there you have it! The SA story!
SA,
Do you have a website or any pictures of your Apps?
I agree that Morgan would be nice addition too!
Although I am liking what I see in some quarter horses as well. They do create some nice Hunters. 
and here she is winning the Bundesschau of German Warmbloods.
Boy am I big mouth today… this WILL be my last post and it will be off topic.
Many, many years ago I opened a second business WAY under capitalized and got in serious financial trouble. The attorney told me that I would have to list and SELL every asset I had.
I said ALL my horses and ALL my diamonds under penalty of LAW???
Needless to say, it took me several years to bail out of the mess and it all turned out very well in the end for me in the end financially (it was real estate related )…but that attorney steeled my nerves for the fight to dig out without resorting to selling my “stuff”.
Cathy
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-title”>quote:</div><div class=“ip-ubbcode-quote-content”> !!! Google quick as bankruptcy laws are changing in October for the worse!
Elaine, I know how dedicated you have been to your breeding and training program and I wish the very best of luck in turning things around.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for the October tip… I’ll get on it right away… 
Now if I can just figure how to go from Colt Champion to winning at FEI in the same day I’d say we were really “turning things” around in our breeding program. 
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Cathy,
Your photos are amazing… whether you take them or Reg takes them… And Johnny looks like a living breathing My Little Pony! That mane is unbelievable!!! It must be such a joy to simply be able to see that glorious guy every day
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Thanks Fred! We like him and we LOVE your horse!!! 
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Thank you, shawnee!!
One of the things that I love about the horse world is the variety, and things that make different peoples’ hearts beat faster.
I love all horses, and see something wonderful in them all, but for me “it” is the Thoroughbred. But I can love and admire the other breeds - Andalusians for example, Shires, how magnificent are they??
So just like we can’t all marry Johnny Depp, 
it would be a dull old world if we all wanted to breed the same thing. I would imagine, Tawna when you started out on your breed program, you had an ideal, a goal… and your filly is the realization of that for you, and I think thatis WONDERFUL!.
and with all due apologies to aurum, who is our “token German”, , who needs the Germans to tell us what is good, beautiful, or right… would we all then be listening to Wagner?? or oompapa music? 
I guess it all goes back to the concept of form following function. If you are breeding to excell at a certain function,whatever that might be, the form of the animals you are going to be striving to produce are going to be of that type.
And I think we all have a phenotype (or template) in our minds…
The marketability is another aspect, important but also separate.
One of my AFR fillies just left this morning sold to an Advanced level eventer. - will the filly be the upper level event horse this lady wants? We don’t know, but if function follows form. (and pedigree)… then she should be out there, trying her heart out.
As much as I admire diversity, however, what does worry me is when a certain characteristic (let’s say “small ears”) becomes the main factor in the breeding program, and because of that one factor being the most important, other things are overlooked, and either bred in, or bred out…
just some musings… not the definitive answer by any means.
(sorry aurum, not picking on you, just trying to be funny!
he’s in the 2005 sale for the thursday night.
“Untrendy”??? You are part of the BIGGEST trend right now, color. There are tons of WB crosses just to get color! I think your filly is absolutely stunning (and I’d be in line with your other visitors asking about her), but in reality, she is right in line with the trend. When you are showing, nobody will know her breeding, but they will see her color. Again, even as shown by the posts on this breeding forum, color is the “in” thing.
Congrats on your breeding, she is beautiful!
P. Wynn Norman thanks… we’ve been here about the same length of time.
Daydream Believer,
I agree with you to a point… and if someone were to go to Tawna’s home and insist on having a conversation with her I think you’d have an even stronger point. But this thread is posted here on a public Sport Horse Breeding forum and I think it was predictable that Sport Horse Breeders would respond. I can’t think of any topic on this forum that stays 100% on point (or sticks 100% to the point the original poster intended).
As I said before, I do breed purebred ASB’s for sporthorse disciplines…so of course I have a vested interest in them.
And yes, I am co-founder of the registry. But that wasn’t what the thread was about.
It was about unconventional horse breeding.
I support American sporthorse breeding based on American horse breeds.
Thanks Elaine! Reg Corkum does most of my pro shots now when I need to handle. We are taking my new stallion to the beach in the next few weeks for a shoot.
However, I took the Janie headshot! Finally broke down and bought a really good low end pro camera and it is the best thing I ever did!
Took this yesterday of Johnny with my new Nikon:
Reg took this one (also untrendy are hunter pony stallions that look like blonde mini Friesians…lol )
And here is the sunglasses and reggae hat that are going to get more tongues wagging about how improper and embarrassing I am to long time respected hunter breeders everywhere!
Cathy
