Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

Is it expensive keeping frozen semen properly stored that long? Fabricius straws have to be pushing 20 years old at this point. Is there some sort of chain of custody for straws?

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Nope. Dr Foss at EMS does all my Icsi work and maintains all my storage. I have Oocytes pulled from both Arizona and Florida. My welsh ponies are still in Arizona currently. We are doing a few breedings this upcoming year to my very fancy medium welsh.

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As to chain of custody it’s just like any bill of sale. Most of the older semen never sold with contracts

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I have to admit, the DHH long ears make me laugh!

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Ehh not a beauty contest when you’re jumping the big sticks but yes I find it very endearing. Even have one dam line that always ends up with Roman noses!

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The big ears was actually a perk of the breed for me when I was horse shopping! One of my trainers always said big ears was a sign of a supple mover, and while I know it’s just a wives tale, I do think they look adorable.

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Thank you again for sharing - I’ve really enjoyed the conversation about breeding. I wish you much success with your upcoming foals.

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Then perhaps don’t be sharing their videos. Did you have their permission to share them from the owners?

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Absolutely! And out of this entire thread that is what you comment? Lol

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Yes. Because it was an interesting thread about bloodlines that I was reading even though they’re not on my list of horses to look at, should I ever be in the market again. Still, I’m always curious about bloodlines so I enjoyed following it. No real reason to post and probably shouldn’t have bothered, except that it would seem doubtful you’ve asked all those clients if it was OK to post their horses on a rather contentious thread where they would be critiqued. I know if I were a client I would have been pretty unhappy to see this. I’ll go back to just reading and ignoring.

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Considering some of my clients have posted in defense and will got to the ends of the earth for me….I’m pretty sure it’s ok. But thank you for your opinion

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We always start our youngsters in a much bigger area. First canter is generally on a loose rein, “just go forward”. By the time you put the canter in, you are off the lunge. Horse needs room to go forward and learn to carry the rider.

To me, this is way too “held in”. Running martingale, small circle, framed up…. That is a lot of pressure on the joints and mind of a young horse.

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Agreed. All work with young horses should be done on a loose rein, imo. It’s one of the “western ways” that I think need to translate more to English riding. Forward, steering, stop, ok go back out in a field.

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Yep! Exactly.

I always roll my eyes when I see horses under 6 being advertised as “super safe” and “amateur friendly.” I’m with you that 7-8 is kind of the minimum where you know there true temperament and rideability.

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Generally, I would agree. But my best horse was a 6 year old mare. Other than that she trusted me too much, she was perfect. Game, bomb proof, talented.

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Agreed. I also roll my eyes when people advertise their weanling or yearling as an international derby horse or future GP horse. Just because it’s got a sire that performed well doesn’t mean the foal will. If that were the case, all the babies from KY Derby winners would be stakes winners themselves. Save the puffing for used cars.

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Yes, my two TB girls were/are Storm Cat granddaughters, with one of them sired by Black Minnaloushe and the other by Storm Broker. I can’t understand why they weren’t big stakes winners—I think they were sabotaged! :rofl:

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It’s interesting that many of you have seen such drastic personality changes. I never have. To date I’ve owned 11 horses, of those, six were 2 or 3 yo when I bought them. None of their personalities changed.

They did go through mental growths but their essential character did not change.

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