Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[BigMama1]

Csaper really just stop. Or clink the links and read Nick’s words for yourself. Nobody is going to screencap it all for you. Read. The. Threads. #thetruthisoutthere

[Ambitious_Kate]

@NSC Los Angeles

Also, BigDarnHorse, thank you for posting that link, and a very sincere thank you for being ardent in your support of LGBTQ and minority citizens. When people like Csaper come to the defense of people like NP, it normalizes their behavior and is damaging to people who have to live in fear of being attacked [edit] on a daily basis.

Thank you for this, NSC LA - it is very disconcerting when people try to normalize the behaviours of someone [edit] as Nick Peronace. The fact that he is attempting to defame and accuse the recent judges of his classes is dangerous to the sport locally. How pathetic. I don’t understand Csper’s rage - very agressive posting with zero knowlege of the facts. Please read the myriad links provided in everyone’s posts.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Joanne

I think it does somewhere. Found a Craigslist ad in Philadelphia for it once. He doesn’t talk about bounty hunting any more, though he does throw out that he is in “law enforcement” occasionally when he wants to intimidate.

I don’t remember the name of it now, but I googled the name of it, once, when he first claimed he was educated there, and it was on a list of “bounty hunter schools” which give out fake certificates after a rudimentary gun handling class.

[BigMama1]

@Ambitious Kate

I don’t remember the name of it now, but I googled the name of it, once, when he first claimed he was educated there, and it was on a list of “bounty hunter schools” which give out fake certificates after a rudimentary gun handling class.

And he’s just the kind of calm, predictable guy you’d want carrying a gun…

[Graymaresrule]

@BigMama1

And he’s just the kind of calm, predictable guy you’d want carrying a gun…

Evidently in PA the requirements for employment as a bounty hunter are minimal.

https://www.how-to-become-a-bounty-hunter.com/states/pennsylvania/

[csaper58]

@Mara

Bingo, full stop. It’s not the first time this poster has done so - Casper seems to be fond of arguing for the sake of it.

I do wonder why NP in particular has become his/her pet project. Not Ellen Doughty-Hume, or the Faerber guy.

I am offended by the never ending barrage of threads on NP in the dressage forum. There have been more than I can count.

The underlying spirit of COTH has historically been a positive one since I first discovered it.

I want to thank the COTHers who posted the many links to existing info on NP.

The new NP threads no longer seem to serve any positive purpose as there is beaucoup information all over the web on what kind of person he is, and how skilled/unskilled he is. At this point any people being duped by him can blame themselves.

These threads now seem only to provide an opportunity for some posters to crawl down to his level and sling muck with NP.

And that tarnishes all of us by association, and it tarnishes our wonderful forum, COTH, in perpetuity

As to the other ‘persons of interest’ mentioned above, Neither seems to have the number of threads or the level of rancor aimed at them as NP.

[csaper58]

@smoofox

csaper - I have asked you politely to take your personal comments about me to PM. That s not an “order” - just a request. Mods would likely suggest the same thing.

Actual proof is out there all over the place - NP’s own words and actions - and yet you refuse to see that or acknowledge it. Again, as you would suggest - that says more about you than those who have shared first hand information, concerns and experiences - using their real names and farm names.

If your filter is adjusted to tantrum phase that is all you will see - and apparently all you want to see. As you wish.
Someone quietly disagreeing with you is most assuredly not a tantrum - no matter how vehemently you insist otherwise and try to stir the pot.

No one was trying to pivot anything anywhere - just pointing out your hypocrisy as you are only defending NP (yes you are - you are saying there is no evidence when there is, it is all lies etc. ) and apparently could care less about any other suspect trainers and concerns people may express about them. This is the Dressage forum, after all - and many of the same reprehensible posters that you find fault with are are probably commenting there.

I should know better than to check back in here on a drive by… moving along…

Your demand used none of the language appropriate to a polite request.

I am not defending NP.

[csaper58]

@NSC Los Angeles

Try using a word other than “pivot” to attempt to deflect my assertions, that is starting to sound a little reminiscent of NP and his limited vocabulary. Again, you are attempting to use a general principle (be nice online) to defend only one individual (Nick Peronce). Therefore, you are disingenuous in your belief in the principle, suggesting a pro-NP stance, poorly disguised as at attempt to adhere to a principle. It’s not that hard to follow along, but it is hard to deny the self-evident nature of my claim.

In the event that I am wrong, please post some links to your historical application of the general principle in other threads, and I will gladly concede. In that case we are only left with the fact that you are defending a man who threatened violence against others on the basis of their personal identity.

Pivot is the term that best describes your attempts to re-direct the discussion so I will use it as needed.

I am not defending NP

You can mis-quote, misinterpret, and spin my comments 'till the cows come home.

It is helping prove my point.

[SendenHorse]

What is your point Casper? If you hate these threads its very easy to stop posting and let it die.

I’m sorry you keep making allowances for Nick, and keep making this about you.

[KittyinAus]

@SendenHorse

What is your point Casper? If you hate these threads its very easy to stop posting and let it die.

I’m sorry you keep making allowances for Nick, and keep making this about you.

This is something that I would really like to know too. The suggestion that people only read negative things about him because of the COTH forum has been shown to be nonsense. I have known about him for a decade and not because of the COTH forum.

[Manni01]

@SendenHorse

What is your point Casper? If you hate these threads its very easy to stop posting and let it die.

I’m sorry you keep making allowances for Nick, and keep making this about you.

Casper is not casper but csaper … And its not about Csaper but about a bunch of mean girls probably very frustrated for whatever reason and bullying somebody excessively. And I did not address anyone specifically. I guess everybody who feel adressed will know why he feels adressed…

[Manni01]

@KittyinAus

This is something that I would really like to know too. The suggestion that people only read negative things about him because of the COTH forum has been shown to be nonsense. I have known about him for a decade and not because of the COTH forum.

Not sure about that. Somebody quoted a thread about another discussion board and I started to read it and found that that thread was started because there was a thread on COTH… So for me its not proven that COTH is not the source for most of the dirt thrown… So even if you read about him in other boards COTH might have initiated them… You don’t know and also you don’t know whether posters in other boards are posters from this board with another nick…

[SendenHorse]

@Manni01

Casper is not casper but csaper … And its not about Csaper but about a bunch of mean girls probably very frustrated for whatever reason and bullying somebody excessively. And I did not address anyone specifically. I guess everybody who feel adressed will know why he feels adressed…

Hardly.

What happened to not talking to me? Or was that a short lived stint?

Please don’t start Manni. To work against this is to promote hate, and I don’t think you need to get into that mess, you may not realize again what is going on with Nick, you sure didn’t have a clue last time.

[Manni01]

@SendenHorse

Hardly.

What happened to not talking to me? Or was that a short lived stint?

Please don’t start Manni. To work against this is to promote hate, and I don’t think you need to get into that mess, you may not realize again what is going on with Nick, you sure didn’t have a clue last time.

You chose to keep making mean remarks when I posted something… so don’t whine when I choose to correct one of your many mistakes…

[KittyinAus]

@Manni01

Not sure about that. Somebody quoted a thread about another discussion board and I started to read it and found that that thread was started because there was a thread on COTH… So for me its not proven that COTH is not the source for most of the dirt thrown… So even if you read about him in other boards COTH might have initiated them… You don’t know and also you don’t know whether posters in other boards are posters from this board with another nick…

If you had followed the links I posted, you would have seen that there is plenty of stuff about him that has nothing to do with COTH. I have known about him for ten years and I did not know about COTH back then. I am someone who is being ruthlessly slandered to the point that it has screwed over my life and there is no way I would participate in anything that I thought was being done to ruin the name of anyone because I know how damaging that is. People are discussing his actual behaviour and not a bunch of lies that was dreamed up in an attempt to destroy him. If you behave badly, people are going to find out about it and people are going to talk about it.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Manni01

Casper is not casper but csaper … And its not about Csaper but about a bunch of mean girls probably very frustrated for whatever reason and bullying somebody excessively. And I did not address anyone specifically. I guess everybody who feel adressed will know why he feels adressed…

Please, Manni give it up. Nobody’s being mean and nobody’s bullying. If you don’t want to expose what Nick Peronace is doing, then dont participate in the thread. If you can’t read the facts and follow along, jumping in and castigating people for defending their position about this dangerous man is just pointless noise. Please stop.

[csaper58]

@csaper58

I am offended by the never ending barrage of threads on NP in the dressage forum. There have been more than I can count.

The underlying spirit of COTH has historically been a positive one since I first discovered it.

I want to thank the COTHers who posted the many links to existing info on NP.

The new NP threads no longer seem to serve any positive purpose as there is beaucoup information all over the web on what kind of person he is, and how skilled/unskilled he is. At this point any people being duped by him can blame themselves.

These threads now seem only to provide an opportunity for some posters to crawl down to his level and sling muck with NP.

And that tarnishes all of us by association, and it tarnishes our wonderful forum, COTH, in perpetuity

As to the other ‘persons of interest’ mentioned above, Neither seems to have the number of threads or the level of rancor aimed at them as NP.

This is my point, it seemed to get lost on a previous page.

[csaper58]

@Ambitious Kate

Please, Manni give it up. Nobody’s being mean and nobody’s bullying. If you don’t want to expose what Nick Peronace is doing, then dont participate in the thread. If you can’t read the facts and follow along, jumping in and castigating people for defending their position about this dangerous man is just pointless noise. Please stop.

Why do you castigate @Manni01 for defending his/her position?

How much more exposed can NP get? Is there really anything substantial anyone needs to know about him that they can’t find by googling him?

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Does Nick pay you in dressage lessons or bounty hunter lessons? I’m sure regardless the instruction is of the highest caliber. O’ the lightness! O’ the classical-ness!

[csaper58]

@KittyinAus

If you had followed the links I posted, you would have seen that there is plenty of stuff about him that has nothing to do with COTH. I have known about him for ten years and I did not know about COTH back then. I am someone who is being ruthlessly slandered to the point that it has screwed over my life and there is no way I would participate in anything that I thought was being done to ruin the name of anyone because I know how damaging that is. People are discussing his actual behaviour and not a bunch of lies that was dreamed up in an attempt to destroy him. If you behave badly, people are going to find out about it and people are going to talk about it.

If people really would just stick to discussing his actual behavior, and substantiate their claims with verifiable evidence that would be fair.

But on this thread there have already been remarks of defamatory nature directed at NP. He is such an inflammatory topic that many posters can’t stop themselves.