Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[csaper58]

@smoofox

Well, what you just said there was a sneer. Or contempt. Or at least that is the tone you are projecting - my “inability to form a more inappropriate comment”?!

You hear/read thru a self-imposed filter, and the way that colors your perception is your issue

Yes, they have. There has always been proof. Nick’s own words and actions. No one made this stuff up. Just because NP deletes some things as fast as he posts them, does not mean they never happened. There have been many screen shots - what - you think people made them up? Now you are sounding like NP. How do you dismiss first hand accounts of him going off on tirades at farm owners who dared not hire him and see him as the gifted trainer he assured them he was? There is no need to alter any facts - NP has done that all on his own for years - and his best defense has always been that he was hacked. Many times.

You really do need to do research. The proof - and facts - are out there. You are just refusing to admit that or acknowledge it - I am not sure why.

If it is not documented it never happened, It is just gossip. I am not dismissing ‘people’s first hand accounts’ I take them with a huge grain of salt knowing that anonymous folk who can never be held to account tend to embellish, and exaggerate. The onus of verifying other posters claims is not on me

I think you missed the point. If I had been posting as you have been doing on this thread using the same words, you would be reporting me, calling me a bully etc. I have never reported anyone in the past why do you want to make others think I would do so now?

But I would not post that way. Never have, never will - no matter how heated a thread becomes.

Maybe not those exact words but that was your intent. Your last sentence could also apply to the way you have been posting in this thread. As I said your personal filter is coloring your interpretation of my ‘intent’

Orders? Tantrum? Nope, sorry. I could not work myself up into any kind of a tantrum about any of this stuff - but I can fake it if you like. Maybe tonight after a long day of barn cleaning and teaching lessons. I just shared my concerns and made some suggestions based on your posts and demands… if you saw that as a tantrum of some kind, then, as you would say, that is on you and not me. The post I referred to was very clearly a tantrum

If you wish to continue to find fault with anything I say - kindly take it to PMs. Orders again? I see no need to say anything I have to say in private

[KittyinAus]

NP even makes it into non-horse forums. http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you…g_head_of.html
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2…s-from-here-1/

A horse one now. [URL=“http://www.snarkyrider.com/2014/02/19/fat-and-ugly/”]http://www.snarkyrider.com/2014/02/19/fat-and-ugly/

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/fhotd64476/viewtopic.php?p=2012694#p2012694

Just changed my mind about a polite private chat. Think that he’s beyond redemption.

[SendenHorse]

Casper- here it is again

http://myhorseforum.com/threads/nick…529309/page-8

He had a “fat page”…ugh… how disgusting. He stole people’s photos and humiliated them…no words!

“Fat or Ugly Women that Stalk Nick P”

[SendenHorse]

There should be screenshots of his recent tyrate on FB, OTTB Connect, check the last thread for details.

[csaper58]

@BigDarnHorse

csaper58, I believe you are being deliberately argumentative. Google is your friend, it really is. I will repeat something that I said on a previous thread. Click on the link I have provided and then expound on your thoughts.

This is why this guy should always be called out. He hates anyone who is not straight. He threatens them. He attacks and then he hides. From 2007, when he sold steaks (make sure to read the comments as well). http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2…s-from-here-1/

I will also say that I do have screen shots of many insane, crazy, violent and offensive things that he has said to people online. He attacked a friend of mine once when she innocently attempted a discussion about dressage with him. As per his usual, he attacked her, blocked her, took whatever photos from her FB that she had not locked down and then posted those and made fun of them. (Check out his Facebook right now to see he has just done it again…and yes I took a screenshot of it!!). Before he blocked my friend, he sent her a couple of FB messages that were vulgar, sexist, insulting and offensive.

There was a very long thread, full of posts from NP, on the Horse Grooming Forums, full of pretty foul stuff from him. Google it. There was also an insane one on the old Fugly Horse of the Day forums (now defunct), again with responses from him. He has also posed here on these forums as a young teenage girl.

I will never ever come to the defense of someone who is racist, homophobic, a sexist, full of hate, etc. I will not defend someone who cowers behind his keyboard while he attacks others and then cries “cyber bullying!!” whenever he is caught.

Like many on the web I am careful what links I follow.

Can you post the screen shots you have here? That is the kind of evidence that should be included in these threads.

Keep in mind not all who read these threads have access to Facebook.

[Mara]

@BigDarnHorse

csaper58, I believe you are being deliberately argumentative.

Bingo, full stop. It’s not the first time this poster has done so - Casper seems to be fond of arguing for the sake of it.

I do wonder why NP in particular has become his/her pet project. Not Ellen Doughty-Hume, or the Faerber guy.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Oh please, I can personally assure you these links are clean, I’ve clicked through all. Unless of course I’m part of some vast COTH conspiracy to get you to click a corrupt link.

[csaper58]

@NSC Los Angeles

I step away from this thread to have some sushi and it’s grown a couple pages!

To Csaper’s earlier comment that she/he has only been “consistent and transparent” - no, you have not. As I stated earlier, several times, you only come to NP’s defense, never to Will Faerber’s, or anyone else. That is not consistency, nor is it transparency. The only reason I think you are not NP himself is that you are a coherent writer.

Why are you insisting I must weigh in on some other person on another forum?

I am not defending NP.

I very consistently and transparently post my views about these personal attack threads in the dressage forum when ever one appears.

I will leave the other thread you are trying to pivot the discussion to for those posting in that forum.

[csaper58]

@KittyinAus

I am perfectly happy with everything that I have written about NP and would cheerfully say it to him if given the opportunity. Not going to happen because I don’t do Facebook. I would prefer to say it in person. A private chat. You might wonder why. It’s because I really would like him to get his act together and live up to his potential instead of thinking that he already is and attacking people who don’t agree with him.

Would you even know NP exists if not for this forum? Is he famous in Australia?

ETA I see the links in the post above.

[csaper58]

@NSC Los Angeles

Also, BigDarnHorse, thank you for posting that link, and a very sincere thank you for being ardent in your support of LGBTQ and minority citizens. When people like Csaper come to the defense of people like NP, it normalizes their behavior and is damaging to people who have to live in fear of being attacked [edit] on a daily basis.

I am not defending NP.

Why are you continually attempting to pivot this discussion on to a much more volatile topic?

[BigDarnHorse]

Here is a link to the COTH thread detailing the time when the subject tried to sue COTH. The only reason I am posting the link is because more than several posters were alarmed enough about the public postings of the subject that they mentioned notifying the authorities. It’s an interesting, and alarming, read.

https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/off-course/272418-nick-p-tries-and-fails-to-sue-coth

[smoofox]

csaper - I have asked you politely to take your personal comments about me to PM. That s not an “order” - just a request. Mods would likely suggest the same thing.

Actual proof is out there all over the place - NP’s own words and actions - and yet you refuse to see that or acknowledge it. Again, as you would suggest - that says more about you than those who have shared first hand information, concerns and experiences - using their real names and farm names.

If your filter is adjusted to tantrum phase that is all you will see - and apparently all you want to see. As you wish.
Someone quietly disagreeing with you is most assuredly not a tantrum - no matter how vehemently you insist otherwise and try to stir the pot.

No one was trying to pivot anything anywhere - just pointing out your hypocrisy as you are only defending NP (yes you are - you are saying there is no evidence when there is, it is all lies etc. ) and apparently could care less about any other suspect trainers and concerns people may express about them. This is the Dressage forum, after all - and many of the same reprehensible posters that you find fault with are are probably commenting there.

I should know better than to check back in here on a drive by… moving along…

[KittyinAus]

He’s not famous in Australia. I have known about him for many years because of reading blogs. Used to regularity read a bunch of horse related blogs. His anti LGBT views is something that I have only just learned about but a quick Google search fixed that. Was able to find a lot of damning information about him despite having SafeSearch on.

All my links are clean. So here are some more.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Horses/comments/2x6uxp/has_anyone_else_heard_of_nick_peronance_hes_like/

http://myhorseforum.com/threads/nick-peronace-is-now-a-bounty-hunter.538485/

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Try using a word other than “pivot” to attempt to deflect my assertions, that is starting to sound a little reminiscent of NP and his limited vocabulary. Again, you are attempting to use a general principle (be nice online) to defend only one individual (Nick Peronce). Therefore, you are disingenuous in your belief in the principle, suggesting a pro-NP stance, poorly disguised as at attempt to adhere to a principle. It’s not that hard to follow along, but it is hard to deny the self-evident nature of my claim.

In the event that I am wrong, please post some links to your historical application of the general principle in other threads, and I will gladly concede. In that case we are only left with the fact that you are defending a man who threatened violence against others on the basis of their personal identity.

[Joanne]

@BigDarnHorse

Here is a link to the COTH thread detailing the time when the subject tried to sue COTH. The only reason I am posting the link is because more than several posters were alarmed enough about the public postings of the subject that they mentioned notifying the authorities. It’s an interesting, and alarming, read.

https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f…ls-to-sue-coth

I don’t know how I missed that one!! :eek::eek: Thanks for the link.

[SendenHorse]

same here, along with the Fat and Ugly wall… geez, I like him a lot less than I did an hour ago, and that is saying something. [edit]

[KittyinAus]

@csaper58

Would you even know NP exists if not for this forum? Is he famous in Australia?

ETA I see the links in the post above.

He’s not famous in Australia. I have known about him for many years because I used to read a lot of horse blogs. I knew about Nick before I knew about this forum. The information that he is anti LGBT is new to me but a quick Google search fixed that. Was able to find a vast amount of information despite having SafeSearch on.

All my links are clean and so here are some more.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Horses/comm…ance_hes_like/

http://myhorseforum.com/threads/nick…hunter.538485/

[SendenHorse]

The school where he said he did his Bounty Hunter training doesn’t even exsist!

[Joanne]

@SendenHorse

The school where he said he did his Bounty Hunter training doesn’t even exsist!

I think it does somewhere. Found a Craigslist ad in Philadelphia for it once. He doesn’t talk about bounty hunting any more, though he does throw out that he is in “law enforcement” occasionally when he wants to intimidate.

[SendenHorse]

@Joanne

I think it does somewhere. Found a Craigslist ad in Philadelphia for it once. He doesn’t talk about bounty hunting any more, though he throw out that he is in “law enforcement” occasionally when he wants to intimidate.

ok, that is interesting! thanks for the update!