Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

Casper, it’s a little more personal this time around because I really respect Ulf and have ridden and worked with him. He is one of those that I speak highly of…

So for someone like Nick to mess with someone I respect really is not ok. Totally not ok.

My interactions with Nick also lead me to not just say “oh well, harmless dude from the east coast”, no not after he went after those FEI trainers, causes in person harm, and made comments about gay people.

So putting those together, I wish there was something I could to make this better. I guess speaking up against hate and rude behavior is all I can really do.

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Netg did you ever go up to him asking for an autograph after he won all those awards paying tribute to his great training? :lol: :lol:

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Isn’t that “pain tribute” ? :smiley:

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Netg,

So that would be that high road that NP models and that we should aspire to? :lol::lol::lol:

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Bold is mine.

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Speaking up against hate and rude behavior by being unprofessional and slanderous gets you and Ulf where?

What is Ulf doing? What is he saying? Are you making things better for Ulf or are you prolonging the situation?

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what the heck are you talking about?

I am not “slandering” NP by describing my personal interaction with him.

I can’t believe you are taking Nick’s side on this, that is unfatomable to me.

Please stop. Just stop.

Well this thread has gone in an interesting direction…

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casper, this is pointless to continue. You aren’t here to help and just want to make it about you.

No where have I sneered or been contemptuous. That must paint me with that brush says a lot about you and your inability to form a more appropriate comment.

Well, what you just said there was a sneer. Or contempt. Or at least that is the tone you are projecting - my “inability to form a more inappropriate comment”?!

[B]No NP antics have not been saved. They have not been documented in any meaningful way. They have been ‘told’ to and fro by posters who may or may not have altered the facts.

I do not need to do research. Posters who wish to discuss something NP did or said should first prove he did/said it.[/B]

Yes, they have. There has always been proof. Nick’s own words and actions. No one made this stuff up. Just because NP deletes some things as fast as he posts them, does not mean they never happened. There have been many screen shots - what - you think people made them up? Now you are sounding like NP. How do you dismiss first hand accounts of him going off on tirades at farm owners who dared not hire him and see him as the gifted trainer he assured them he was? There is no need to alter any facts - NP has done that all on his own for years - and his best defense has always been that he was hacked. Many times.

You really do need to do research. The proof - and facts - are out there. You are just refusing to admit that or acknowledge it - I am not sure why.

OK, go for it. Post something I will freak out about

I think you missed the point. If I had been posting as you have been doing on this thread using the same words, you would be reporting me, calling me a bully etc.

But I would not post that way. Never have, never will - no matter how heated a thread becomes.

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I have not claimed anyone was telling me to shut up.

No I have never told anyone to shut up. I have voiced my opinion as a member of this community that I find certain posting habits detrimental to the quality and the helpful and informational nature of this BB.
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Maybe not those exact words but that was your intent. Your last sentence could also apply to the way you have been posting in this thread.

It is odd that you must resort to spitting orders in a tantrum-like fashion in response.

Orders? Tantrum? Nope, sorry. I could not work myself up into any kind of a tantrum about any of this stuff - but I can fake it if you like. Maybe tonight after a long day of barn cleaning and teaching lessons. I just shared my concerns and made some suggestions based on your posts and demands… if you saw that as a tantrum of some kind, then, as you would say, that is on you and not me.

If you wish to continue to find fault with anything I say - kindly take it to PMs. I have wasted far too much time today on NP’s latest antics/claims and need to get back to the barn…

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Again, it is only slander if it is untrue. The documentation of everything discussed here is widely available online. I made up my mind about NP after reading / seeing his posts, his Facebook rants, his “Beefman” episodes, his photos, his videos, his responses to people who suggested he take lessons or offered to help him learn more about dressage. I suggest you do the same before chastising posters here and making false claims.

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You are catering to your needs and not thinking about what Ulf may want/need.

Writing your personal thought of another on the internet where they are permanent is not wise.

I have said repeatedly that I am not defending NP.

Why do you feel the need to misrepresent me as doing so?

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csaper58, I believe you are being deliberately argumentative. Google is your friend, it really is. I will repeat something that I said on a previous thread. Click on the link I have provided and then expound on your thoughts.

This is why this guy should always be called out. He hates anyone who is not straight. He threatens them. He attacks and then he hides. From 2007, when he sold steaks (make sure to read the comments as well). http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2…s-from-here-1/

I will also say that I do have screen shots of many insane, crazy, violent and offensive things that he has said to people online. He attacked a friend of mine once when she innocently attempted a discussion about dressage with him. As per his usual, he attacked her, blocked her, took whatever photos from her FB that she had not locked down and then posted those and made fun of them. (Check out his Facebook right now to see he has just done it again…and yes I took a screenshot of it!!). Before he blocked my friend, he sent her a couple of FB messages that were vulgar, sexist, insulting and offensive.

There was a very long thread, full of posts from NP, on the Horse Grooming Forums, full of pretty foul stuff from him. Google it. There was also an insane one on the old Fugly Horse of the Day forums (now defunct), again with responses from him. He has also posed here on these forums as a young teenage girl.

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STOP.

I step away from this thread to have some sushi and it’s grown a couple pages!

To Csaper’s earlier comment that she/he has only been “consistent and transparent” - no, you have not. As I stated earlier, several times, you only come to NP’s defense, never to Will Faerber’s, or anyone else. That is not consistency, nor is it transparency. The only reason I think you are not NP himself is that you are a coherent writer.

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For you, csaper58 (you’ll have to read the thread but it has screenshots, links, etc.): http://myhorseforum.com/threads/nick-peronace-dressage.529309/

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I am perfectly happy with everything that I have written about NP and would cheerfully say it to him if given the opportunity. Not going to happen because I don’t do Facebook. I would prefer to say it in person. A private chat. You might wonder why. It’s because I really would like him to get his act together and live up to his potential instead of thinking that he already is and attacking people who don’t agree with him.

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Also, BigDarnHorse, thank you for posting that link, and a very sincere thank you for being ardent in your support of LGBTQ and minority citizens. When people like Csaper come to the defense of people like NP, it normalizes their behavior and is damaging to people who have to live in fear of being attacked [edit] on a daily basis.

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No one here should have to defend themselves, we are speaking out against hate, fraud, and for those poor horses!

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Great minds think alike

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