So everyone knows why the mods close this thread
If you would stop yammering on, then yes, that is exactly what Iām trying to do on here!
Does anyone know how to do a petition? I can only offer help so many times 
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Contact the authorities and ask them for the proper way to proceed.
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Well, my PMs say differently.
Those who want to get involved just PM me. thanks!
Thanks, Got it Keys. Others are getting involved, too
I think if heās well behaved at the show and isnāt naming judges then let him show. His scores and witnesses will tell the truth. A schooling show at home by a non licensed judge is simply not comparable to a recognized show and licensed judges.
If heās breaking rules like showing as an ammy, having off leash dogs, taking photos of other riders and bashing them, calling out and bashing judges, being unsafe, or badgering volunteers, then lose his entry. The owner of Dressage Hub was banned from several show grounds and although her close followers think it was unfair, people that show and do know the truth. Same with him.
Also, I have scrolled back through that judgeās FB posts and canāt find any comment he made making fun of NPās test. Even if it were true, I think it would be unprofessional.
If would just ignore the posters that post to inflame or start a fight things would go so much smoother.
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[h=1]DRESSAGE POLITICS AND HOW THEY EFFECT YOU[/h] Standard
Carpathia (the 16.3h 10yr old Thoroughbred Mare Iāve been working with) competed up to 4th Level Dressage this summer. In our first test together we were at home and performed a musical freestyle to The Star Spangled Banner. It was a beautiful test, complete with a military representative holding The American flag. We scored in the 70ās and I was excited to compete her off the property at a recognized show.
While at the show held at a local horse park, Carpathia was an absolute angel. That is until we entered the competition arena. During the warm up she was great. She was focused and calm. During the test she felt like she was ready to jump right in the judges box! She was clearly distracted and had no idea why these people were in a tiny hut at C. She didnāt understand the sound of the sand being kicked up against the plastic arena. To make things worse, they put a gazebo full of photographers at B. People with kids running around didnāt help either.
As wild and explosive as the ride was, I felt we had some nice moments. Obviously I knew it wasnāt our best ride so I was expecting a low score, probably around 52-50%. Nope I was wrong, we scored a 43. But how could this be? A 43% is awful! Carpathia gave me beautiful Canter Half Pass, Extensions and I thought her Half Pass in trot going to the left was quite exceptional. Having a look at the test sheet, I could tell right away who the main culprit was: politics.
My marks were ridiculously unfairly low. I received a 2 because my last halt was not square. I was scored a 3 because she came above the bit looking outside the ring during a Half Pass. The judge marked me down as a 2 because she changed late behind in a flying change. This is politics in the show ring. The next test we rode at 3rd Level, was more of the same rubbish judging.
Keeping my head up, I courageously went back out into the show ring the very next month. We competed at 3rd Level (a level Carpathia can do blindfolded) and had a nice calm test. She was on point and I was extremely proud. Somewhere between 60-70% I was assuming the score would be. My jaw was on the floor for quite some time when I surprisingly received my score of a 46%. Get %#!* real! How could this be? Again I looked at the score sheet and again I saw unfair low marks, only this time the judge not only marked us down, but made up things that never happened! She wrote that I received a 2 in my Shoulder-In because my horse was throwing her head around. This is a complete lie and I have the video to prove it! She did not in anyway throw her head around. She was round and light the entire test.
Furiously I posted my test ride on Facebook and openly asked my friends what they thought of it. I got nothing but kind remarks and people assumed I received a high score. They were shocked to hear about the unfair treatment I had received. Then later the next morning I received a text message from a friend. She informed me that the judge had been corrupted beforehand. What had happened was that a handful of idiots solicited the judge with all kinds of hateful lies said about me online(read We Need To Talk Part 2 on my blog). I can only speculate that the same thing was done to the first judge a month earlier in our first show. I mean youāve got to admit, receiving a 2 for not having a square Halt is a bit excessive donāt you think?
Thatās politics for you! Next summer we will be competing at the FEI level so there will be more than one judge, though Iām not expecting that much of a political difference and Iāll explain why. Judges have a predetermined concept in their mind of what they are expecting to see in the show ring. They are not judging you personally, they are judging you compared to what else they have seen that day. This is why sometimes youāll hear about a horse receiving a 70% at one show and an 85% at the next. It has nothing to do with performance but it has everything to do with a predetermined idea.
The judge not only is comparing you too other riders, but āwhoā those other riders are. If a big name or someone with a big name coach is competing against you the unknown, guess whoās going to win the gold? Iāve actually seen this with my own eyes, where the big name goes into the arena and the horse has the worst ride of his career. In fact he almost bucked off his rider during the one Tempi Changes, yet they still had the top score.
The judge is also going to be looking at the color of your horse and what breed you are on. If you do not have an expensive warmblood or an extremely expressive mover, you can expect to not receive a mark higher than a 5. Of course other breeds and horses of color have received some pretty high marks in the show ring. Yes occasionally this does happen, but how many Palomino Quarter Horses have you seen on an Olympic dressage team? How many Pintoās or Thoroughbreds have represented the United States during the World Equestrian Games or have won the World Cup? You are probably going to argue that both Lendon and Hilda Gurney both rode off breeds to success. This is true, but really stop and see how rare that is. Also understand the politics. These were riders trained under German trainers, and at a time the German trainers were vastly improving American dressage. So even if an American had a bad ride, the judge didnāt mark them down because this would have reflected negatively on the Germans, who are predominantly the gold medalist in dressage.
Carol Lavell rode the amazing 17.3h Hanoverian gelding Gifted, to a team Bronze at the 1992 Olympics. It was their score that gave the American team the push, though they did not win in the individual. Gifted was a horse way before his time. If he was competing today he would be scoring in the 80ās for sure. A look at his large expressive movements, yet moderately low scores, clearly shows how the judges predetermined concept has changed over the years. Furthermore, if it was a German or a Dutch rider instead of an American riding Gifted, they most likely would have won an individual medal and gone on to even bigger things.
Along those same lines, take a look at Nicole Uphoff and Rembrandt. His movement would not even place today, yet in his time he was the dressage king.
Politics hurts talented dressage pairs. It also hurts the dressage community as a whole because it effects what breeders are breeding. Unfortunately it also discourages the working class hobbyist competing the off breed.
Until something is done about these politics, things will only get worse. Personally Iām going to continue to compete, and Iām not going to allow some idiotic judgeās opinion affect my riding or training. It shall not shake me one iota. I know better and I take whatever score given with a grain of salt. I hope you do not allow the showroom politics to discourage you either! Make your time in the ring about you! Make it about that bucket list! Make it about having fun and enjoying time with your horse. Forget whoās watching, because chances are the judge isnāt watching either.
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[h=1]WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT (PART2)[/h] Standard
The Chronicle Of The Horse recently published an article about drug abuse titled āWe Need To Talk About Itā. In the article they mentioned how people need to seek help and we should be open to discussions. I couldnāt agree more! I have unfortunately seen first-hand what drugs do to a family. I have members within my extended family who are struggling with addiction. While I appreciate the sentiment of the article, I find the sympathetic tone laughable at best! The Chronicle of the Horse is not a compassionate publication. Not by any stretch of the imagination!
The Chronicle of the Horse host a message board right on their web page. They claim that itās moderated but this is a fallacy. Itās only moderated to the moderatorās opinion, and not governed by right or wrong or a set of rules. The message board is a bottom of the barrel internet troll paradise. Anything and everything goes, and the more you hate on someone, the more the publication loves it!
In 2013, Dressage At Devon worked with me in honoring a horse I trained. His name was Chevy and he was an Appaloosa Quarter Horse that was able to perform all the required Grand Prix movements, plus some of the airs above ground. I trained him but never competed because I had a judge say some really mean things to me at a schooling show. I was just a kid (17), so I was impressionable and easily discouraged. Perhaps if I had more support, Chevy could have really went on to be something big. I felt that a prestigious show like Devon honoring him each year was correcting an injustice.
The trophy was called āChevyās Cup.ā It was awarded to the highest scoring non warmblood each year. It was an honor to work with Devon, but most importantly it was a terrific way to honor my friend. It was a Memorial that I sponsored each year. My heart was in the right place. I had no idea of the evil that was lurking just around the corner.
When the lonely internet trolls that haunt that forum discovered Chevyās Cup, they didnāt contact me with their questions. No instead they talked about me amongst themselves, and came up with their own accusations and ridiculous slanderous remarks. I did make an attempt to log on and answer their questions as best I could (when a friend notified me about the thread), but as soon as I logged off they started cyberbullying once again. I had a small group of clients who were very angry about the things being said about me. They logged on to defend me which only made things worse.
Page after page, lie after lie, the thread grew larger and larger. I tried several times calling The Chronicle Of The Horse begging them to remove the page, but they refused each and every time! I had no choice but to take them to court and sue them for defamation. They would rather pay an attorney then remove a hateful topic thread that was harassing me.
How many people take a gun into the work place because of cyberbullying? How many kids are committing suicide? So letās understand this and what The Chronicle Of The Horse is really trying to say. They are saying that itās okay to kill yourself over cyberbullying, but if you overdose on heroin, thatās when The Chronicle of the Horse will support you? Thatās when people should āspeak upā? Thatās when āwe need to talkā? How incredibly awful and hypocritical this trashy disgusting publication really is!
When we got to court the judge had to rule in their favor. He condemned The Chronicle and questioned their business model and logic. He said that unfortunately he cannot rule based on emotions, but that he must rule on the law, and the law gives websites immunity. It allows people to say whatever they want online without being held civilly or criminally liable. So remember that when you hear about a 10 year old kid who hangs himself because some loser somewhere Cyber Bullied them! Clearly the laws need to change, and websites like The Chronicle Of The Horse need to be held accountable!
Vile websites like The Chronicle Of The Horse, pound their chest calling it free speech. They donāt delete threads and they provide very little moderation. But free speech does not allow you a warrant to harass and stalk an individual. I remember a day where you had to get an editors approval before you published something that might be considered hurtful, but now today everyone is their own editor, without any regard how it might effect a personās job, career, or family.
At the very instant someone feels harassed, the thread should be removed. Period! That is the normal human decent thing to do. And Iām not the only victim of The Chronicle. No no. Far from it. Someone selling a horse gets berated with claims of fraud, or accused of trying to sell a lame horse. A trainer seeking new students gets harassed about their experience and inabilities. No matter what the topic is, these internet trolls latch on with wolf pack mentality and have one Mission: Seek and destroy!
When The Chronicle Of The Horse would not delete the cyberbullying thread about me, itās spilled over onto other pages. It became larger and larger, and the lies being spewed about me (no matter how much I tried to debunk them) remained.
My teenage daughter would go to school and get made fun of because of it. Her grades slipped. She didnāt want to go to school. My wife and I watched her become a recluse preferring the solitude of her bedroom. Again I contacted The Chronicle begging them to remove the thread, which they laughed at me and refused. So again, where is their so called compassion that they seem to have so much of?
We had to get our daughter therapy and slowly she got over her depression. These are scars that my family will always have because of The Chronicle Of The Horse, itās Forum members, and its editors and moderators who failed to act. If something tragic would have happened to my daughter, that blood would be on their hands. Then what? What would āwe need to be talking aboutā then?
Over the years other topic threads were opened about me. I inadvertently have created a stalker-ish fan club. It doesnāt matter what Iām doing. If they find out that Iām giving a clinic, training a horse, or teaching a student, they will actually contact those whom it may concern, and share The Chronicle links, and share the lies. They try to disrupt any and every opportunity I might have. These are a psychotic group created by the forum members of The Chronicle. They are convinced that they are somehow doing a good thing. If they contact a thousand people and only get one to see me as the devil and believe the hate campaign, then they are successful. This is how they operate.
Itās not fair what happened to me. This is a brand on me that follows everywhere I go. So when I hear The Chronicle expressing fake compassion for drug abuse victims, they really need to look inward and extend that compassion to victims of cyberbullying also ā victims they help create.
I hope I opened your eyes in who The Chronicle Of The Horse really is. They are firm in their stance and they believe that harassing me and my family is the right thing to do. They believe in the witch hunt conducted on their pages, and feel entitled to do so. This is what āWe Need To Talk Aboutā. Cyber bullying can be lethal and The Chronicle Of The Horse doesnāt care.
They-do-not-care.
Iām fully aware that not everyone is going to like everyone in life. Not everyone is going to think Iām a good trainer. I can live with that. I can even live with the armchair dressage masters critiquing expert advice from behind their computer screen. But spreading lies, slandering a reputation, name-calling, and conducting a witch hunt, is not an okay thing. That is where the line gets crossed, and when someone feels backed into a corner because theyāre being snowballed by a group of internet trolls, that is when the moderator should remove the topic thread, especially at the victimās continuous request!
So if any editor from The Chronicle Of The Horse some how reads this, I want to once again ask you to remove any, and all topic threads said about me on your page. Itās harassing and damaging to my family! Show the world that compassion you so elegantly expressed in your drug abuse article, and show that you care about cyberbullying just as much. Show the world how compassionate you truly are. Show your professionalism. Prove youāre not a hypocrite, and you really do care about all people.
To everyone else reading this, I hope you pay close attention, and remember this when you want to spend your advertising or subscription dollars with this horrific publication!
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I once showed against a very well known local trainer and he ended up in my amoeba division. I was quite upset, until his very green horse had to be led into the dressage ring because it halted at X and stood on its hind legs for 30 seconds.
I beat him, despite his much nicer quality horse, fame, and years of experience.
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Corrections:
- didnāt complain, simply asked other posters for their opinions
- Slight unevenness wasnāt discovered ālater,ā videos were posted in the first thread for all to see and comment on
- universal agreement amongst those who actually know something about judging is that if low scores are due to horse being uneven, that should be reflected in the comments. Not a complaint, it an observation on judging norms
- NP didnāt just ācomplain,ā he publicly accused respected judges of corruption and collusion.
- Ulf did not mention anything that would identify NP, he merely commented on his FB page that he was at the airport after a weekend of judging, which included the lowest score he had ever awarded in his long history, and that he felt the score was generous given that he couldnāt tell which test the rider was performing. To connect that with NP you would have to know which show Ulf judged at, know that NP was competing at that show and look up the scores to verify that NPs was the lowest of the day.
Pro tip for Manni: it really helps to actually read the threads before making ill-informed personal comments. The above was all covered way back in post #39.
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Back on track, I think banning NP from shows would be a mistake. The best way to prove what a know-nothing charlatan he is is to have him ride in public and be judged by experts.
Or, in an alternate universe where wishes come true, NP realizes the value of getting feedback from highly experienced judges, reads all the comments, takes them to heart and finds a skilled trainer who can help him have the success he thinks heās already having.
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Interesting that he does not share his scores of collective marks, or any comments. I mean, if one scores a 2 for a movement, doesnāt a judge usually have a comment for doing so? (Likewise a high score?)
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can somebody tell us what shows/photographers you are talking about? I would love to see these pics!
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there are links on past NP threads, I donāt have time to search right now. Sorry.
They looked like an intro horse.
Here you go. If the link doesnāt take you directly to the three galleries, entering his name in the search box on the home page will. Two of the tests were at Third Level and one at Fourth.
https://pawsandrewind.smugmug.com/search/?n=pawsandrewind&scope=node&scopeValue=Z46Fc&c=galleries&q=Nick+peronace
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Okā¦ based on pictures that ride MIGHT maybe score a 60% at Training level test 1. Maybe. Fourth level? Heās lucky he didnt get laughed out of the ring. I will say one thing for him though, at least he didnāt put a double on that poor horse. She must be one good natured mare.
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https://pawsandrewind.smugmug.com/seā¦=Nick+Peronace
Photos by Paws and Rewind as the official photographer of Dressage at Bucks County Horse Park 2017.
Three galleries, showing 4-1, 3-1 and 3-1 at two different shows.
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No evidence of the beautiful half pass and extensions at Third he bragged about. Nothing that meets or even approaches the standard of āsufficientā for Third or Fourth Level. A stretch to find anything that could even be called āmarginalā at those levels. But Iām sure the photographer is in on the āhate campaignā and was convinced by others to only post pics of the weak moments. [facepalm]
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I LOLād at āamoeba divisionā! :lol:
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