Yours was the last post I read because it seemed like manni and csaper turned this thread into a wild ride. What a crazy turn on the rails.
I just wanted to say you have posted some excellent writings here, very intelligent and impossibly kind. I’m unable to respond to the NP promoters because their logic makes me laugh so hard that autocorrect goes nuts on my phone.
But hey csapers, your comment that many people don’t read the links - pot meet kettle. :lol:
For the most part it seems the trolls have retreated back under their bridge and the thread is back on track now. Please just ignore any interruptions and continue with the discussion.
In her current condition the mare certainly wouldn’t be worth $15k where I live. Nice quality OTTBs are easy to come by around here for much, much less. A confirmed change would definitely bump her price up, but as one of the posters above mentioned, there is no evidence she has one. I haven’t seen the video (someone please PM me a link) so I can’t comment on lameness issues. That’s a risk with any purchase and you won’t really know until you ride and / or get a good PPE so it’s not a factor in her pricing at the moment.
I thought you were a dressage aficionado? The videos and pix I’ve seen of that mare show a horse that is worth about $1500 in my area. And that’s if she is sound.
I’m not slamming on the horse. She is a lovely, bay tb with a nice temperament and that’s my favorite type of horse.
It would really be great to see a capable person buy that lovely mare. Maybe NP will find himself a tidy Apache 4 year old and we can watch his mastery play out online as he starts that horse with o’ so much lightness :lol:
So the videos…pretty much reflects what what’s in the still photos. At first look would appear to be a somewhat novice but decent rider on a very kind willing horse making a good start at Training Level.
But Third Level? I see nothing there indicated a higher score was warranted. Nothing indicating the rider has any understanding of the requirements of the level, or that the horse is currently capable of meeting them, let alone being “almost ready for FEI levels” as NP claims. I also don’t see any evidence of the tension, spookiness or explosiveness he talked about
I’m surprised that those who were so vocal about my horse not being uphill enough for First Level haven’t jumped in here to comment on whether this mare is demonstrating the self carriage, uphill balance and collection required at Third.
Re soundness,what specifically do you see that suggests an SI problem? I know whatI think I see but don’t have a lot of lameness experience or knowledge.
Your horse and his are at the opposite end of the spectrum. There is no comparing. You are eons ahead of his horse because you ride with a coach. “IF” he opened up his wallet and his mind and paid for some decent lessons with a pro I could see some advancement but that door is shut.
Your horse has the musculature to do the work. His horse is very flat and lacking fitness. He needs to correct his position before even looking at the horse. He is hunched over and clutching the reins in his crotch. He needs to carry the reins to speak to his horse. His horse is just shuffling around. Need I say more…It is what I see…
Part of the FS ad:
PRICE REDUCED
OWNER HAS FINANCIAL HARDSHIP
PRICED FOR QUICK SELL
Based on Manni’s inability to handle her current 6 horses, I think this is all a very much playing us to think she is serious. She would never stoop so low as to buy an American TB…,(based again on her fuming over people thinking her WB was a QH, the horror! )
Yes, good memory. So sue me 
I think anyone with eyes and a minimum of experience in Dressage sees it too, and agrees with you.
And therefore, feels badly for this mare.
I will also add that he has a ridiculous price tag. He will never sell that horse. He needs to be more of a realist.
We have many TB’s like that in our area priced right–take off a zero. That is just the reality. Especially when you know what he paid. I don’t think he increased her value at all. As someone else mentioned she is older now too. It is the reality of it.
I can’t say what this man’s horse is worth or what he will get for her. TB’s for sale straight off the track or at CANTER are selling for $2000. Surely a quiet horse horse without major soundness issues that can walk, trot, and canter quietly is worth more than that, wouldn’t you think? Scanning sale ads for 15k horses that look good are not always what they seem, just as this man’s horse isn’t what it is advertised as. If he is as obnoxious as is said, I would imagine he would turn off any buyer that contacts him.
Right, that is why I said 5K. I see a LOT of OTTBs, so I am very familiar with the prices.
This came across my feed
https://www.facebook.com/Winterhawk-Farm-519541294897512/?hc_location=ufi
There are a couple I would gladly look at. The most expensive was $4500
Lying again… could you please stop it… I guess you will never get the number of my horses right…
I would love to see you riding one of these horses a 4th level test It doesn’t really matter how it looked like with NP… He did it… I would kind of assume you might leave the ring soon or maybe not being able to enter the ring if you ride a 4 th level test right now with them…
I don’t think anyone would expect to go out and ride a 4th level test on those horses right now. And NP’s horse shouldn’t be competing at 4th level either. Any one of those horses COULD however, go out and do a nice Intro or TL test with a very small amount of work, which is exactly what level NP and Carpathia SHOULD be doing. I mean come on, you have to be able to see that, right?
Ummmm…
Huh?
Kind of missing the point completely. (sorry, I was responding to Manni’s post.)
missing the point completely. (Sorry - was responding to Manni’s post!)
So anyone who thinks I am lying, go ahead and search Manni’s posts. It’s all there for your reading pleasure.
Turning pro
Jun. 18, 2017, 07:28 AM
it is probably a stupid thought but I have too many horses and I don’t want to sell them and they are all extremly well trained and so I thought about leasing them out. (On property) now I run into the problem that people want to lease them and take lessons from me. Now my question is it worth turning pro?? I have no problem riding in the open class but I don’t want to switch and find out afterwards it’s not worth it… I think it’s ridiculous for an elderly woman who has riding as her hobby to turn pro :(. So your thoughts are there any financial advantages to turn pro?? For me it would be the advantage to know that my horses are ridden well. But I am scared about the pro rules in the US and I dont see any reasons to give my knowledge which I worked hard for away for free Thank you!
I am very confused why you have said you would rather euthanize one of your beloved, healthy and happy horses then re-home it.
How is this even an option??
-Dressage Stryder
I tried to free lease the pony into a program. Unfortunately she is not a hunter at all. she is a hot little jumper and no program wants a hot little jumper… So not an option… And no I am not willing to free lease a 3rd or 4th level Dressagehorse into a program… Why should I do that??? I prefer to get ribbons myself…
Manni
Did you want truthful answers or just ego stroking? Because if you just want ego stroking… say so in the beginning.
You say you don’t have enough time as it is. Giving lessons is ADDING ANOTHER JOB. If this is your solution, it would be the first time that someone who was short on time solved the problem by taking on additional time commitments. Be realistic!!!
The solution to more horses than time is to cut down on horses. You don’t want to do that. You have a million excuses. Fine. But you’re the one who says you don’t have the energy to eat at the end of the day. Do you want us to tell you “ooh you’ll be a great teacher?” or tell you the truth-- taking on lesson students won’t solve the problem you articulated.
I do feel bad for you because you seem overwhelmed, but it also appears that these are problems of your own making and that if you were able to let go of your rigidity/stubbornness-- you might be able to improve things. But I can’t convince you of that when you’re bound and determined to be right at all costs and to have it your way or the highway. Something has to give at some point. Wouldn’t it be better to be your ego than your back? Only you can decide…
VX
There are many many good horsewomen on COTH who would take just as good care of your horses as you think you do. I could name at least 10 off the top of my head. While you may not consider someone who is considerate of her horse as being a good home, to say you are THE ONLY ONE who can do it is both arrogant and ridiculous.
Pocket Pony
Manni, if you don’t want to teach lessons than you don’t have to worry about turning pro!
Lady J
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