Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[merrygoround]

He gets boring, when he isn’t stomach turning. Sadly he does get money from people who unfortunately have no idea what dressage truly is

[WXWatcher]

@Nestor

I forgot about the Charlotte attack! Googled it just to remind myself…

“Nick Peronace Dressage (facebook) is saying this about Charlotte: " There’s a clip somewhere where she’s giving a demo and the announcer comes on and says your time is up in two minutes. She mouths off at him and deliberately throws off the entire show schedule because she’s having a good time riding a horse. And of course everyone in the stands is laughing and condoning her rude terrible behavior. Like I said it’s like everyone’s under a spell or something.
She’s lucky, because if I competed and if I was one of those competitors, I’d have gladly gotten her out of that ring myself, and done it with a smile!”"

What he also failed to understand on the last thing he argued over was that it wasn’t a show…there were no competitors…Charlotte was the one doing every single ride. She was testing out youngsters, Florentina and the sibling (can’t remember the name) were the last two. When the announcer indicated two more minutes, she said, not two more minutes I am having too much fun." It was her last ride of the lineup and of the day.

[csaper58]

In the on-line community COTH
A small fry has raised so much wroth
That he believes he is great
Causes unending debate
And leaves his critics covered in froth

It’s evident…he’s the yeast in their bread
And a source of appreciable dread
They must save the world
From this non-threat yet unfurled
With their anonymous post on this thread

Why so offended by his delusions
Ye harping rapacious Collusians?
Your pathetic obsession
Makes such a distasteful impression
We can all draw the obvious conclusions

[Nestor]

@WXWatcher

What he also failed to understand on the last thing he argued over was that it wasn’t a show…there were no competitors…Charlotte was the one doing every single ride. She was testing out youngsters, Florentina and the sibling (can’t remember the name) were the last two. When the announcer indicated two more minutes, she said, not two more minutes I am having too much fun." It was her last ride of the lineup and of the day.

Yup, the first video here: http://www.horse2rider.eu/Webnodes/en/Web/Horse2Rider/NYHEDER/Nyd+testridning+af+nr.+1%2C+2+og+3+fra+unghestechampionatet+(video

She’s CLEARLY laughing and joking with the announcer. Having seen her interviews and met her, she is the kindest person with a great sense of humor.

It’s really amazing how he twists things to criticize very well known and well respected people.

[KittyinAus]

@Nestor

The advice she gives is so basic and simple yet everyone is like mystified by it.

I did find this funny. If NP thinks it’s so basic, why can’t he do it? Is it because he’s mystified?

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Csaper58 - I love that poem! :lol: Delightful!!!

These Nick P threads are always fun, I had no idea he went after Charlotte D, that was quite rich to read.

I do enjoy these flame threads and will continue to do so until the fateful day we lose Nick to some Darwinian accident involving a grain silo, a toaster oven and a hot tub, some new “Nick Peronce - the GENTLE Rattlesnake Removal Expert” business, skipping a critical step in his sky diving certification or possibly just forgetting to breathe regularly.

[GoneAway]

@Nestor

I forgot about the Charlotte attack! Googled it just to remind myself…

“Nick Peronace Dressage (facebook) is saying this about Charlotte: " We have riders in this country [USA] that ride like Charlotte and her garbage short rein, high arms, and over exaggerated style and they receive these medals.” “I have seen her [Charlotte] ride other horses and she is garbage on everything. I’ve watched her clinics on video. The advice she gives is so basic and simple yet everyone is like mystified by it. Its ridiculous! just feel like shaking people are hitting them or something. It’s so frustrating because she rides like crap and yet the advice she gives can be found in any half decent dressage book, written by any mediocre equestrian. It’s unbelievable the response that she gets! Oh and her arrogance at these clinics like as if God Himself is in the arena. There’s a clip somewhere where she’s giving a demo and the announcer comes on and says your time is up in two minutes. She mouths off at him and deliberately throws off the entire show schedule because she’s having a good time riding a horse. And of course everyone in the stands is laughing and condoning her rude terrible behavior. Like I said it’s like everyone’s under a spell or something.
She’s lucky, because if I competed and if I was one of those competitors, I’d have gladly gotten her out of that ring myself, and done it with a smile!”"

The beautiful thing that NP seems to miss is that the most accomplished horseman don’t preach complicated, mystical theories or procedures. All the greats, even across disciplines, always focus on and reinforce the basics. The thing that sets them apart is their timing and their feel. People want to skip the basics. People want to make riding complicated. The great ones don’t. I can’t speak for Charlotte specifically, but the beauty Linda Zang isn’t just what she says, but how she says it and when. Great horseman like that have that timing and that feel to apply those seemingly basic aids and theories to create outstanding results, as well as the knowledge and patience to keep it uncomplicated.

[netg]

@AltersAreUs

Actually, this guy was a nobody trumpeting himself all over the place as the best of the somebodies. Coth just called him out on it, proved his lies were lies and then he started threatening people. But yeah, I guess if you want to think he’s not doing the sport and horses any harm, well, that’s your opinion.

Oh, no. He was threatening people long before COTH called him out. I was one of those people, and the threat was fairly hilarious - he threatened my dressage career. I’m a CRAPPY amateur with no dressage career.

He has threatened others in far more terrifying ways since.

[Crockpot]

@BigMama1

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and others are entitled to disagree with it. I think we’ve covered both sides of that discussion thoroughly.

Yes, so what is your point?

We can keep expressing our differing opinions . That is what happens on discussion boards

[caper]

Heard ya the first few times is all…lol!

[Crockpot]

@caper

Heard ya the first few times is all…lol!

ditto! lol

The NP stalkers

( please note not a fan of NP which should be obvious)

can go on and on and on- trainwreck after trainwreck

but anyone who thinks it is stupid should just stfu

haha

[BigMama1]

@Crockpot

ditto! lol

The NP stalkers

( please note not a fan of NP which should be obvious)

can go on and on and on- trainwreck after trainwreck

but anyone who thinks it is stupid should just stfu

haha

Except it’s a different trainwreck every time and with each post / appearance he appears even more unhinged. His new rant against well-respected judges - and in fact the entire sport of dressage - seem to have convinced at least a couple of his former apologists here that the guy really is “that bad.” That’s the point of these threads, to make people aware of this fraudster.

The one you call “stalkers” (what??) are at least sharing new and relevant info. The ones who keep telling them to stfu don’t seem to have anything new to add to the conversation and just keep repeating the same old, same old ad nauseum. Yet they are clearly following the threads closely and keep bumping them up by posting. Weird.

[Crockpot]

Yet they are clearly following the threads closely and keep bumping them up by posting. Weird.

yes you are- why do you keep bumping up?

and Who are They?

I know it bugs you but I am allowed to express an opinion- even more than once .

as often as I wish- in fact

you too

Guess what- you dont get to chase me off a thread because you dont like my opinion-

[BigMama1]

@Crockpot

yes you are- why do you keep bumping up?

and Who are They?

I know it bugs you but I am allowed to express an opinion- even more than once .

as often as I wish- in fact

you too

Guess what- you dont get to chase me off a thread because you dont like my opinion-

I’m so confused…aren’t you doing exactly that, trying to “chase people off the thread” by telling everyone they shouldn’t be posting about NP?

[Manni01]

[edit]

Just to clarify… I did not change my mind about any of these train wreck threads and the people posting there…
[edit] IMO he should rather stay quiet and work on improving his riding (hopefully he is reading this…)
Because in the end thats the only thing which counts and he will get better scores with better riding and I even think he shouldn’t have big problems to improve if he works hard.
But on the other hand nobody deserves this [edit]

[MysticOakRanch]

@WXWatcher

Something else that gets me about his statement of “…the judge had been corrupted beforehand. What had happened was that a handful of idiots solicited the judge with all kinds of hateful lies said about me online.”

This tells me he has never scribed in his life. The judge doesn’t see the test sheet until after it is completed and they need to enter the collective remarks and sign the sheet. Sure, if they are familiar with a rider they may recognize them, I have friends who I rode with many years ago that may be judging a schooling show I am riding in, but most judges aren’t going to be able to identify one rider from another.

Even in larger shows where there may be daysheets, the judge doesn’t get these until about 30 minutes prior to the first ride if they see them at all…the sheets usually go to the scribe…part of the scribe’s job. The judge doesn’t have time to go down the list to try and identify who they are going to score high and who they are going to score low and most scribes anyway, especially at a larger show, aren’t going to know one rider from another unless the rider is familiar to them, but, scribe rules apply…keep the mouth shut and what goes on in the judge’s box stays in the judge’s box.

His outright accusations are what got me going this time. His general whining is one thing; his accusations that could cost a judge their reputation, even under a false accusation, is just something I can’t abide. He may not have directly named names in the blog post but it is easy enough to locate where he rode as he indicates “recognized” and USDF does have his scores showing.

I am NOT defending his statements, but… At many of our shows, we have an announcer, so the judge knows rider name, horses age and name, and breed before the ride starts. Having said that, I seriously doubt most judges have ANY idea who NP is, nor do they care. In all my years of scribing, I’ve only had judges ask me about horses and/or riders they were impressed by. Those with problems are allowed to gracefully leave the ring with the hope that tomorrow will be a better day

i do believe Mr Wadeborn made a mistake in commenting on a public forum (Facebook) about the ride. And that just adds fuel to the fire that burns in NPs mind. [edit]

He is inflammatory and delusional, but really. How many threads start right here on COTH regarding the state of judging? You need a thick skin to be a judge!

[Graymaresrule]

@GoneAway

The beautiful thing that NP seems to miss is that the most accomplished horseman don’t preach complicated, mystical theories or procedures. All the greats, even across disciplines, always focus on and reinforce the basics. The thing that sets them apart is their timing and their feel. People want to skip the basics. People want to make riding complicated. The great ones don’t. I can’t speak for Charlotte specifically, but the beauty Linda Zang isn’t just what she says, but how she says it and when. Great horseman like that have that timing and that feel to apply those seemingly basic aids and theories to create outstanding results, as well as the knowledge and patience to keep it uncomplicated.

Silly…NP doesn’t do basics…he does the airs…

[BigMama1]

@Manni01

Just to clarify… I did not change my mind about any of these train wreck threads and the people posting there…
[edit] IMO he should rather stay quiet and work on improving his riding (hopefully he is reading this…)
Because in the end thats the only thing which counts and he will get better scores with better riding and I even think he shouldn’t have big problems to improve if he works hard.
But on the other hand nobody deserves this [edit]

He doesn’t think he needs to work on his riding. He has nothing to learn from anyone because he already knows it.

[edit]

[Manni01]

@BigMama1

He doesn’t think he needs to work on his riding. He has nothing to learn from anyone because he already knows it.

[edit]

[edit] I would like to know how you know exactly that he doesn’t want to learn anything… The videos with him, posted here in the thread which was shut down, showed somebody trying to ride his horse nice and quiet. The horse did not seem bothered and moved fluent forward. I have seen worse videos lately… Of course they were not the level of his test. But he looked like he was trying to ride nice. And I assume with all this bashing of him there is nobody who would even dare to teach him fearing he would loose his clients… So maybe some of his posts wherever which are cited here all the time are a little desperate… He doesn’t need anybody because he probably won’t find anybody…

I know its much nicer for bashing to interpret things in a way to bash him more, but I never believe anything I haven’t seen. And for sure I do not believe anything the [edit] crowd posts and interprets… So as long as I don’t know this guy I do not know what he thinks…

[edit]

[Graymaresrule]

@Manni01

[edit] I would like to know how you know exactly that he doesn’t want to learn anything… The videos with him, posted here in the thread which was shut down, showed somebody trying to ride his horse nice and quiet. The horse did not seem bothered and moved fluent forward. I have seen worse videos lately… Of course they were not the level of his test. But he looked like he was trying to ride nice. And I assume with all this bashing of him there is nobody who would even dare to teach him fearing he would loose his clients… So maybe some of his posts wherever which are cited here all the time are a little desperate… He doesn’t need anybody because he probably won’t find anybody…

I know its much nicer for bashing to interpret things in a way to bash him more, but I never believe anything I haven’t seen. And for sure I do not believe anything the mean crowd posts and interprets… So as long as I don’t know this guy I do not know what he thinks…

[edit]

He has stated that he doesn’t take lessons…he gives them