Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

Carpathia has no topline, she is not through, she is not tracking up, she’s often inverted and braced; proof positive your riding is ineffective. People lie, photos don’t.

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Exactly. Why not start with the people most unlikely to even be on the page? He’s just sandbagging. If he wanted to engage in conversation he would have.

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No Nick, what is shown in this thread is some people giving you good suggestions and ideas and others rebutting some of your claims and protestations. You have yet to respond to the ideas/offers of a clinic, for instance. You choose to focus on what you declare is lies, lies, lies - but is actually well documented - your own words and actions - not fantasy. I can personally attest to the fact that what you said are just one-sided screen captures that make you look bad in a few instances - are instead a pattern you have always followed. I asked you many months ago to explain how what you said was a side pass was indeed that - when I saw a simple leg yield. I asked for your theories, explanation and input - without any snide rancor or attitude… and you went ballistic on me, called me names, said I knew nothing and was sitting in my parents’ basement watching horses on my computer… and then blocked me on FB with your usual LOL LOL LOL. shrug

I had to quote you as it is also your pattern to go back and delete anything and everything you have said. Has everyone here posted politely? No. But sadly, you reap what you sow…

This thread did not get sicker and scarier - as you insist. There is no “evidence” of any conspiracy or hate campaign (or whatever else you will call it on whatever blog) right here on this thread. Aside from you accusing a dressage judge (judges) of collusion, corruption and carrying on a campaign against you - when he(they) only judged what he(they) saw, not what you wanted him(them) to see.

You have a chance here to post rationally and calmly and explain and have a conversation - many of us are capable of that! But instead, you dodge, deflect, sidestep, fish for email addresses and then when all else fails, sneer and start with the insults.

Look at the ideas about clinics, please. You have an offer and a few other good suggestions.

First and foremost, just RIDE for heaven’s sake. Ride and enjoy your horse and improve your skills with lessons (even Dr. Reiner Klimke took lessons) and stop seeing a conspiracy and hate campaign around every corner and in every word.

News flash: every discussion on any forum or any FB page about certain trainers and things they do that people may not care for or have questions about is NOT a hate campaign. There are threads about other trainers and horse professionals here at COTH and every other horse forum, too - contrary to what you seem to think, no one is focussed exclusively on you…

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Nick’s posts remind me of the old Nevzorov forum that was published (it was a locked down secret squirrel forum but somehow it became archived and readable). Very much the “Emporer’s new clothes”, where the followers (in this case, Nick and any future houseguests) were convinced of their own brilliance at “natural dressage”, and everyone else was wrong, cruel, haters, and deserving of being shot because they didn’t believe Old Man Nevzorov was the next Guru of dressage. No possibility of discussion, anyone expressing doubt or questioning the Guru was thrown out and shunned. There was to be no questioning the Guru, else you were a hater.

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Nick, no one here “hates” you or has it in for you. There is no conspiracy.

What has everyone baffled is why you are so hellbent on getting everyone on board with your claims to being a highly qualified, FEI level rider and dressage trainer and clinician. When there is absolutely zero evidence to support those claims; indeed, there is ample evidence to the contrary. You cannot produce verifiable examples of horses you claim to have trained to FEI/Grand Prix - and yes, by that we do mean show records. When a trainer promotes himself/herself as accomplished at the upper levels, a show record is kinda important, though it is by no means the only or even the most important criteria.

Instead you respond with equivocation and defensiveness and outrage at those who would dare question your self-proclaimed expertise. And accusing a judge of being “corrupted” to give you low scores, well, that is a fairly serious accusation. Again, where is the evidence? As others have pointed out, you could have asked the judge, via the steward, to explain your scores.

And no one wants to email you directly because you have documented history of harassing your perceived detractors with profanity and worse. Someone here saved a voicemail you left her after she declined your offer to become her staff trainer; she did not share particulars but the implication was that it was quite vulgar and nasty. No, we do not want you in possession of our personal information.

You keep saying dressage is your passion and not your job. That’s fabulous! Enjoy your wonderful mare and ride and learn!! Work up the levels properly and go for your bronze medal! Or just ride for the love of it!! You’re young, with many years ahead of you to indulge your passion. Stop frustrating yourself by trying to prove you’re something you aren’t.

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I’m not convinced anymore that it even is Nick, and not just someone trolling for fun on a quiet night with nothing better to do. Either way though, we know Nick does read these threads and if he were willing to actually heed it, there is some very good advice for him in many of the responses.

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I highly urge people to stop with any conversation–it won’t matter. Trying to rationalize with an irrational person just won’t happen. I think turning this into a thread on how to find a good coach is a better idea :slight_smile:

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It is/was Nick. The usual protestations in the same tone… the blog updates, demanding that people email him, denying actual events, sidestepping others - and then the inevitable mic drop insulting everyone who does not embrace him as the best thing to happen to dressage since the blingy Samshield helmets (IMHO)…

Quoting for truth… or TACOS as we used to say on a fun forum now long gone… excellent advice…

You keep saying dressage is your passion and not your job. That’s fabulous! Enjoy your wonderful mare and ride and learn!! Work up the levels properly and go for your bronze medal! Or just ride for the love of it!! You’re young, with many years ahead of you to indulge your passion. Stop frustrating yourself by trying to prove you’re something you aren’t.

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Perhaps best to start a new thread for this important topic. Otherwise it may get lost in the mire here.

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Well I’ll talk for a bit how I found my trainer. I was training with a woman who was a hunter jumper trainer, but she was taking lessons from Bettina Drummond on her lovely draft cross and showing second level herself. I found her a lovely rider and a hard working horse person, but I needed the basics in classical dressage she wasn’t able to teach.

I had my horse at her place, and mostly it was just to far for me to be driving every day, almost an hour. I was unemployed, and wanted my horse near home, at a place I coud afford, and I wanted lessons from someone really experienced, and I found an ad for a trainer who said we could work off her lessons with barn work. That’s the life for me! Her lessons are 140. an hour, but I was able to work off the lessons in her barn. I started lessons with her, and soon moved my horse to a barn nearer to home.

The barn I moved him to, the owner was also learning dressage and come to find out her new trainer was my new trainer, so my new trainer could come give me and the new (to me) barn owner lessons at my home barn. I admired her style of teaching. She was very exact, and explained why so well I was able to practice the foundations with understanding not just parrot the movements told to me.

This trainer had a background in Theater and dance. Her real passion is the freestyles, and even coreographing modern dance with horses. But her classical foundations are golden. She currently is one of the founding memebers of Baroque Equestrian Games, and has a passion for lusitano horses. She hosts clinics by tina veder, and other clinicians throughout the year, plus a wonderful trainer from portugal, who asists her trainingher horses in the higher levels like passage and passade.

She is never too proud to bring him in when introducing a new horse to a new movement, and encourages the owner to ride with this, HER trainer, to learn from the best, which she reinforces and continues in lessons with the owner/student later on.

My horse is an oldenburg, who I got free, after resting several years at pasture from an injury. I soon needed to move out of state, and my trainer’s daughter was dying to have a horse to train dressage as well as three day event, to add to her own list of trainer skills. Today, my trainer’s daughter has my horse on a free lease, where she has successfully shown him at second level and training level eventing. He gets the benefit of a first rate rider, she is using him to get her bronze medal, while at the same time using her own lusitano to get her gold medal.

Here are some pics of her and my horse at their first time second level class, last spring. I think he scored a 68 and came in either first or second. When she got him, I had had only a bit of work on him myself, and she brought him through training and first level, until he was strong enough for second. He’s a fabulous performance horse, and works hard at everything he’s ask to do. He’s a horse who can’t take a joke, though Ask right, or beware! I am so luck to have found these two inspiring women for my horse. I’ve been able to travel this past three years for work and see how wonderful his training has been. And yes, that’s his real tail!

https://moments-in-time.smugmug.com/…ey/24-Edwards/

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My trainer also brings her trainer in for regular clinics so we get the advantage of her upper level experience and a second set of eyes - love that approach.

Regarding show results remember that they only give you half the picture. They demonstrate that someone can ride well and likely train a horse well, but that doesn’t mean they can teach well. If they don’t have the tools to break down clearly what, when, why and how to achieve something, their skill as a rider won’t help you progress.

I like to see show results for a coach’s students, ideally over a few years on the same horse to see that they are progressing up the levels. I also like to see coaches who have helped their students reach their goals on “average” horses, not just 6-figure imports. There are two in my local area whom I particularly admire for helping their amateur clients get to FEI levels and all the way to GP on draft crosses and even a Connemara. Their own upper level results on their own lovely horses prove to me they can ride. Their students’ results prove to me they can teach and they understand how to use dressage to improve any horse, regardless of size or breed.

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Thanks for sharing, Kate! He looks like fun - I have always liked the extremes - the horses with a great sense of humor or the horses who will cut you no slack whatsoever!

Excellent points, BigMama1!

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Nick, nobody has any “questions” for you, and if I did I’d simply post your response publicly anyway.

You did say those things to Robert Dover, and right wing bigots are irredeemable. Your particular type of racist, homophobic stupidity is destroying our once great democracy, luckily the dressage community is clever enough to smack you down at every turn.

My offer stands. You want to show your skills? Clear your name? Come by anytime.

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Wow, I need popcorn and wine!!

It is always interesting how NP posts certain things on the internet, and when challenged about the “facts” he stated, he deflects and attacks the poster rather than addressing the issues brought up. He becomes so unnerved about public posts about his public posts. Hint, don’t post public posts that underline an uninformed opinion of the sport and not expect public posts about your posts. Adults expect that you should take what you dish out. You don’t?

Yes, NP, you did attack Charlotte with your post. If you don’t think your words are an attack, you don’t know what an attack is. Hint, saying someones riding is garbage is considered an attack in most situations. BTW, why do you complain that people say you ride like garbage if your words are fair game?

The pictures of your rides illustrate that Carpathia isn’t at third or fourth level, despite your denigrating the judges for giving you bad scores. Hint, if you knew what those levels entail and that your pictures are public, you’d do nothing but agree that you deserved low scores. You think your scores are due to politics? Do you know how absurd that seems given the pictures? Rather than simply complaining, provide actual evidence that Carpathia is actually third and fourth level. If you complain to the public that you were wronged, provide actual evidence that you were.

Seems like most of the posts outlining the nasty and unreasonable things you said can be backed up. You are responsible for the things you’ve put in print, you know. You can’t say nasty things and then wonder why people call you out on such things. You are responsible for the things you have said and done.

You chose to post in public on your blog and other forums. People don’t need to email you privately, you operate in public. Back up your public words in public, or admit that you can’t. It’s pretty simple.

If this is in any way mysterious or not understandable, feel free to shoot me a private email.

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He is fun. Take him to a wooded venue and standing in the box waiting to go, you can see him puzzling out the course, looking through the trees for the jumps. Real power. A hell of a ride. He was bred for eventing, and it shows in his performance attitude.

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Yes, Nick had also been claiming that he had clinicked with Robert Dover, which wasn’t true. He had it listed in his imaginary resume online, and Robert Dover denied ever meeting him.

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What a beautiful story!!! And I LOVE your horse! The pair look amazing together! And tail envy here :wink:
See, your first coach didn’t cry or fuss when you left–that’s the sign of a good person–they accept their limits. You found someone who could teach you in a fashion you needed for you and your horse, and it looks like it paid off :slight_smile:

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Yes, I have to say the first trainer was unhappy when I left, but she was very kind and understanding and professional about it And she drove us to our new barn. . We parted friends and are still friends on facebook. Many of her horse world friends are my friends, and her own jumper trainer is now training my horse for the stadium and she enjoys seeing his progress. She is very professional, and because of that I have b een able to recommend her to folks I know who would do well with her program.

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You know what, what the hell. I’m in! Your post was encouraging and so were others. You claim we can have a civil adult conversation? You claim no one hates me and there’s no conspiracy? You claim we can talk about all these misunderstandings said over the years here? Ok good! I’m in! Lets do this!

Its about 12:30am here. I don’t care if this thread staus open for weeks. I think it’s a good idea to open up the lines of communication and hit the reset button.

Honestly people, Im a really nice guy. Things have been twisted and taken out of context over the years. I have a lot of knowledge and Im willing to work with anybody. I can help you in many ways. Often I hear that so and so trainer with a big name couldn’t help, but they got loads of help ans benefited greatly from my instruction.
So if you truly want to be civil and help eachother out, Im right here. The air is clear. Go ahead and start the conversation.

I’ll help you by first saying that I never said anything about Robert Dover being gay or hating him. Ehat happened was we had a disagreement over the Trump/Clinton election. I asked him how he felt about supporting a candidate that has flip floped so much on the gay marriage issue. He lost his shit! He told me off and blocked me. His universe collapsed because he couldn’t handle the truth and Clinton.
So thats all it was. I never said anything derogatory about him being gay.

Charlotte and Valegro. I never attacked her. I spoke my opinion of her terrible riding with Valegro and her arrogance at other events. It’s an opinion. You don’t agree? Ok fine but I don’t deserve to be harassed and ridiculed over it.

Lessons. Yes, Im always looking to take lessons but it has to be from a trainer I feel can teach me something. Those are rare. In November Im riding in a clinic with a very well know trainer. 2 months ago I took a lesson from one also. But people have got to understand that your show record means zero to me. I train with trainers I like how they ride. I also was self taught to Grand Prix and Airs when I was only 17. Ive trained other horses to FEI. It takes a lot to impress me. And I’m not being arrogant Im only stating the facts. And I know what people say/think “he’s delusional. He’s a liar. His horse isn’t trained to the level”. If your one of these people, dont bother talking or sharing with me. Instead, book me for a lesson and experience my methods. After that you can go bash me to anyone you like.

As for things said and screen shots, you gota understand what your seeing is one sided. People have been awful towards me. Ive defended myself but only my reply gets the screen shot, or only my reply gets heard. Like when you said about a “nasty phone call”. Really? Did you bother asking my side? Nope! And you see this is why it looks to me thst there’s a hate campaign.

So let’s hit reset.
The reset button is pushed.
Let’s start a new conversation.
How can I help you? Here is a link to real and accurate information about me. Lets take it from here.
http://nickperonacedressage.blogspot.com/2017/07/meet-nick-peronace-dressage-rider.html?m=1

They are such a great pair - she really clicks with him. They were ready to try third level this fall, but he had a soft tissue injury and has had two months off. He’s just coming back and won’t be up to speed strength-wise for the work of third level this year, but the goal is next year. She’s such a lovely rider, and hasn’t pushed him beyond his abillities. She’s worked closely with me to make sure he has what he needs shoeing and vetting and he couldn’t be in better hands. She’s getting her gold medal with her other gelding, I guess I might have mentioned.

I was fortunate enough to find his breeder, and she even sent me photos of him as a baby.

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