Favorite Classical Trainer Nick Peronace VS USDF Judging Standards

[BigMama1]

@trubandloki

That would be a great explanation if that was his answer, but his answer was she is a TB and TBs are thin.

I didn’t think she actually looked particularly thin in the photos, just poorly conditioned and really wrongly muscled.

[SendenHorse]

@Mondo

I’ve been lurking along here, because really I couldn’t care less about this person or any of the foregoing. It strikes me however, that you are all trying to communicate with someone who has a pretty obvious mental illness. You can’t reason with this person, he’s delusional. All attempts to do so will get only push back. He is never going to change.

my comments about his mental state were deleted by the mods… it’s sad that we can’t discuss as it’s central to this thread. He needs help. I think it’s clear no system will license him, nor should they.

I sincerely hope he can get the help he needs, I’ve been saying that for years.

[Mondo]

Big Mama: “…but TONS of fantastic coaches and trainers are not certified and frankly knowing some who are - I can say it’s no guarantee of quality. Requiring a recent show record is problematic as well, since many choose to focus on training and teaching and don’t compete themselves. A conundrum.” Yes it is. Especially since that description is ME. LOL I haven’t shown in over 15 years (not by choice, just circumstance.)

[Angela_Freda]

@NSC Los Angeles

Yeah that’s quite possible that he’s having problems getting facilities to feed to his instruction, but in my experience they’ll feed what you pay them to feed. I think he’s a very nice rider at training/1st, if he consistently rides as he does in the photos and feeds well I see no reason the horse wouldn’t develop a very nice musculature.

If that was the case, facilities not feeding to instructions, he would most likely say so.
It’s not like he’s shy.
And he said TBs are thin… so it sounds like ignorance that there’s a problem, not "I am trying, but crap facilities aren’t doing as I ask and pay for.’

[yaya]

@enjoytheride

If you lease you must put down yourself as rider and the owner as the owner, it doesn’t necessarily indicate being a pro. I think Nick says that Carpathia is in professional training with him, but I swear I saw somewhere that he bought her. I’m not sure why it is an issue, many pros own their own horses, they don’t all rely on clients providing them horses to ride.

If you register your lease with USEF and USDF, you can put yourself down as owner.

[BigDarnHorse]

Let’s not forget that his mare was previously an up/down lesson horse before he/his parents bought her. It’s not like he bought a horse straight off the track.

He’s been doing a good job for the last 8 (and more) years warning people away with his own words and his own actions.

I saw reference to a new word today, “Crybully”.

[GrandPridDudette]

@NSC Los Angeles

Nick if you’re still reading this I wanted to offer some nutritional advice for Carpathia. Don’t give up and accept that TBs are going to be hard keepers. For a TB in work you can definitely get them conditioned correctly but if you don’t feed sufficiently they won’t change.

The thing I know about TBs is that they can lose weight very quickly, but put on weight a little slower than other breeds. I also know that they can eat A LOT when trying to put weight on them. The horse has been in his care for about a year and has not gained any real fitness or weight. I’m a little floored with 6 flakes of hay a day, but I’d be totally behind that if that is what it takes.

How many flakes of hay does Carpathia get? And how much grain?

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

I agree they drop weight like the dickens. Eight weeks ago mine had a left dorsal displacement. Thankfully it turned out to be minor and easily resolved but the impact to his physique of no food for two and a half days was extreme. He looked like a weedy little runt overnight, it was terrible! I feel like it took six weeks to recover his body from that two days.

[Jealoushe]

@Unfforgettable

My skinny OTTB…not two weeks off the track.

Seriously, though…moving from boarding stable to boarding stable, over and over again, and having to adapt to different feeding programs and schedules isn’t easy on any horse.

exactly, that much change would stress any horse.

[trubandloki]

@Unfforgettable

Seriously, though…moving from boarding stable to boarding stable, over and over again, and having to adapt to different feeding programs and schedules isn’t easy on any horse.

So very true.

Most owners that are barn bouncing (because they can not find the right fit, not saying they are at fault) take that into account and add to their horse’s diet what is needed to keep them as comfortable as possible during the constant change. Maybe add something for ulcers, etc.

[Mara]

I wonder if she’s had her teeth done since he bought her?

[BigMama1]

@BigDarnHorse

Let’s not forget that his mare was previously a hunter before he/his parents bought her. It’s not like he bought a horse straight off the track.

He’s been doing a good job for the last 8 (and more) years warning people away with his own words and his own actions.

I saw reference to a new word today, “Crybully”.

I thought she was an up/down lesson horse? Certainly not straight off the track. And if anything, I think her incorrect muscling is worse in the pics from the second show than the first, which tells a clear story about how she is being ridden.

[BigDarnHorse]

@BigMama1

I thought she was an up/down lesson horse? Certainly not straight off the track. And if anything, I think her incorrect muscling is worse in the pics from the second show than the first, which tells a clear story about how she is being ridden.

Yes, you’re right. She was an up/down lesson horse, certainly not a hunter.

[netg]

It’s too bad thoroughbreds are so skinny and downhill and just can’t move at all and certainly can’t sit behind.

[Gestalt]

@caper

I found his scores.

http://www.foxvillage.com/fvdshowresults/(S(izwh0cqsi0u224voxbewso45))/Rider.aspx?sh=4954&rd=299

http://www.foxvillage.com/fvdshowresults/(S(ngj5p5fh1qohgy55phwre2zu))/Class.aspx?sh=4978&cl=31

It looks like his placings were 2nd and 4th.

(Thank you for posting the links!)

[Unfforgettable]

@BigDarnHorse

Yes, you’re right. She was an up/down lesson horse, certainly not a hunter.

Ah…makes perfect sense. So she’s really still just doing the up/down, only with just one rider.

[caper]

@Gestalt

It looks like his placings were 2nd and 4th.

(Thank you for posting the links!)

See in Canada with those scores you don’t place. You must get over 60% for a first place. You have to earn your placings.

[KBC]

@caper

See in Canada with those scores you don’t place. You must get over 60% for a first place. You have to earn your placings.

Not understanding what you are saying, In 4:1 he was 4th of 4,

http://www.foxvillage.com/fvdshowresults/(S(kwarheytvfcfn055rkb3aijg))/Class.aspx?sh=4954&cl=41

in 3:1 2nd of two
http://www.foxvillage.com/fvdshowresults/(S(kwarheytvfcfn055rkb3aijg))/Class.aspx?sh=4954&cl=31

neither score was fantastic.

Last weekend in my Level 1 3, I was the only competitor, won the Saturday class, but could only manage 3rd of one on Sunday because we sucked! So yes, if you are the only person, you have to earn your score and ribbon.

[NSC_Los_Angeles]

Something positive came out of this thread after all - it’s a showcase for awesome TBs! Netg, Duckz, if you get tired of those two bays they have a home in my barn. Damn nice!

[netg]

@NSC Los Angeles

Something positive came out of this thread after all - it’s a showcase for awesome TBs! Netg, Duckz, if you get tired of those two bays they have a home in my barn. Damn nice!

My guy has a home for life - with a barn built to his specifications (1 acre run off it) for his retirement when that day comes!

Funny enough, I think in my riding pic I am in the saddle I got from Duckz. Which is now with COTHer Emipou.