Feds just raided AC4H

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=analise;6968014]
I think recycling happens. I know of at least one pair of horses that showed up on the AC4H broker list multiple times and I’ve heard of other stories like that. And New Holland is a big auction, I’ve been out there once and there were quite a lot of horses there and it runs every week.[/QUOTE]

There was a mini that was at Moores, being hawked by AC4H that appeared at Camelot… while Xty was still stumping for funds for it. She kept insisting it was at Moores… HHER thankfully took it in, as it was in foal.

There was also another horse, I forget the description of that one, that either AC4H said they had at Moores or said had been adopted, that showed up at another sale… in OH maybe? A real rescue also saved that one.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=MoonoverMississippi;6967881]
The way I understand it from some of the “incidents” mentioned in the past is that they don’t “buy” a “broker” horse until it has somewhere to go, immediately.

As I understood it, they post a horse, collect “donations”, then when the horse finally has a place to go they “buy” it from the KB (because he doesn’t want to deal with the people).
The horse leaves immediately, so there is little/no feed, etc. on the broker horses: only those in the “actual” rescue portion require that expense.

The ownership of the “broker” horses is what is puzzling: sometimes they say they buy them and resell to the new owner to keep the KB out of the mix.

However, when some people have complained about injury, etc., they were told ac4H never owns the horses, they are simply a listing service (for a small fee, of course) who transfers the $$ to the KB immediately, and the sale is actually between the KB and new owner, with the rescue simply an uninterested intermediary to the transaction. So which is it this time?

In addition, I would love to see their paperwork and how a rescue can also broker horses: I think the IRS and Feds may argue unrelated business income, which would be taxable.[/QUOTE]
It has always seemed to me that the story of who owned the horse at what time always conveniently shifted such that no one from AC4H was left holding the bag regardless of the circumstances. If you read the story of the saved TB [in which the deceased breeders ex in laws were contacted]… ownership conveniently shifted.
Wasn’t that a thread on here? I think the horses’ name was Luckyallmylife of something like that?

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=uphill;6967360]
That is unless the ‘Save the Farm Fundraiser’ actually benefits the farm OWNER rather than the ‘rescue’…then it is ‘income’ to owner…but I am talking about Second Wind AP where that happened. And never any 501©3 paperwork filed…15 yrs she’s been ‘doing it’ operating as a charity and not even with the guise of legality. But I digress.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, good ol’ SWAP.
Yes CBER did dhtat as well, used donations of goods and funds to improve the property at which they required QT, at quite the rate too, that was owned by the Org. Presidents step-father.
I think we’ve all wondered where those items went when CBER disbanded.

ETA it is my understanding that any items bought with donated funds or donated to a 501c3 are to be turned over to another 501c3 should the original one go ‘out of business’. ??

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6968128]
Originally Posted by Miss Aria
The Amish like to breed minis, and they do so in abundance. AC4H also breeds minis, or at least they did. Supposedly the sale of them would send the kids to college. Yeah, right.

Dude, Aria was talking about the mini flipping being Christys of AC4Hs’ way of saving $$ for her daughters to go to college, not the Amish.[/QUOTE]

Thank you…new glasses …just don’t seem to work…am always walking up hill…

[AlexS]

[QUOTE=summerhorse;6967297]
So did they ever find out where Honor Boy was buried?[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about the horse that I was talking about earlier? Bobby’s Honor? Or is this something unrelated? I am confused.

[Susan_P]

I saw that on FB also and was going to post it. I’ve been to New Holland auction a few times and I’ve met Christy a few times and know people who may still be and some who used to be friends with her. No one that has ever talked about her had a nice thing to say. I have no personal negative experience with her but I’ve never done business with her. We have mutual acquaintences. You have to consider the source, accumulate those opinions and draw a semi-conclusion.

[QUOTE=jenm;6968073]
I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but found it on Facebook:

ATTENTION VICTIMS OF AC4H: MESSAGE FROM THE FBI OFFICE SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX. IF YOU HAVE EVER RECEIVED A SICK, MISREPRESENTED, DEBILITATED OR INCORRECT, OR IF YOU HAVE PAID FOR A ANIMAL AND DID NOT RECEIVE THAT ANIMAL (EXAMPLE, YOU SENT IN YOUR MONEY AND THE HORSE BECAME UNAVAILABE OR WAS DIRECT BAILED BY SOMEONE ELSE, IF HORSE/ANIMAL WAS SWAPPED FOR ANOTHER ANIMAL WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR YOU SENT IN THE TRANSPORT AND THE ANIMAL WAS NOT THERE. THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE LISTED) FROM AC4H, CONTACT SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX AT 610-433-6488. IF SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX IS NOT AVAILABLE THE SWITCH BOARD OPERATOR WILL TAKE YOUR NAME AND NUMBER AND SHE WILL CALL YOU BACK.[/QUOTE]

[hundredacres]

nevermind. already addressed

[red_mares]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;6968100]
The Amish do not educate their children past the eighth grade, believing that the basic knowledge offered up to that point is sufficient to prepare one for the Amish lifestyle.[1][2] Almost no Amish go to high school, much less to college. In many communities, the Amish operate their own schools, which are typically one-room schoolhouses with teachers (young unmarried women) from the Amish community. These schools provide education in many crafts, and are therefore eligible as vocational education, fulfilling the nationwide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_life_in_the_modern_world[/QUOTE]

As was pointed out in the Nokota thread, Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information. How long Amish kids go to school depends on their local church and varies from one group to the othter. I know some kids that have to go until 15, others that have to finish high school.

[jenm]

Selina Kim Sheidy
3 hours ago
This is the time we see our true friends, true supporters there is no in between its one way or another. Right now some people switched sides but i have faith that when this pulls through everyone see’s the truth and how we really are doing nothing wrong. No one can hide in darkness when the light comes. AC4H Supporter, volunteer~ Hang in there supporters. We will pull through , it’s not just us going going through this it’s all of our supporters you guys are family.! So are the horses, and it’s a real shame how people can try to destroy something great! . We did nothing wrong.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=jenm;6968401]
Selina Kim Sheidy
3 hours ago
This is the time we see our true friends, true supporters there is no in between its one way or another. Right now some people switched sides but i have faith that when this pulls through everyone see’s the truth and how we really are doing nothing wrong. No one can hide in darkness when the light comes. AC4H Supporter, volunteer~ Hang in there supporters. We will pull through , it’s not just us going going through this it’s all of our supporters you guys are family.! So are the horses, and it’s a real shame how people can try to destroy something great! . We did nothing wrong.[/QUOTE]

Written like a true scammer (with some groupthink going on too among the true believers). Anyone who finds fault is trying to “destroy” them.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=red mares;6968227]
As was pointed out in the Nokota thread, Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information. How long Amish kids go to school depends on their local church and varies from one group to the othter. I know some kids that have to go until 15, others that have to finish high school.[/QUOTE]

The reason I used that source was other souces that also confirmed the information did not have a label to them…just the persons name. An education is a threat to an economy. It creates dissention and accentuates differences which is against modesty (but then there is also the dark side or under belly where money is god for many of them…hence many businesses…i.e. puppy farms etc…My neighbor is a teacher at the Hutterite colony and she is frustrated when she has a very smart young girl or boy in her class. The girls go to grade 6 and the boys to age 15. Some do enroll in computer courses as they must access repair manuals for million dollar machinery the Huts own. They visit me so they can watch my TV

[catknsn]

Selina sounds exactly like clients I have seen in the legal world who flat out refuse to admit liability even when they are caught red handed. It is a particular kind of arrogance - they honestly do not BELIEVE they did anything wrong, no matter what the law says. The law is stupid, in their minds, and they are right and innocent and good.

It’s almost like a psychosis…they REALLY believe it. I have encountered this on numerous occasions.

At any rate, I am of course thrilled they are finally getting what has been coming to them for so long. I hope their donors will wise up and start donating to reputable rescues that don’t use scare tactics or emotional blackmail, rescues that can show you follow up pictures and reports on their adopted horses, rescues that are still going to feed and vet and trim their horses whether or not you donate but APPRECIATE your donations so that they can do more.

[ML]

Something been bugging me here as I read the posts. Where do you get the idea AC4H feeds these horses? They are brought to them on monday they ride take pictures of them they post on utube then ship them out according them to the owner of the horses. Brian Moore was one person, and A Austin In Virginia. They ship them out they stay in feed lots till some one bails them out on Sunday they ship back to AC4H so people can pick them up at certain hours like 1 to 4 pm only. I dont ever remember AC4H ever feeding one horse ever. They longer they waited to be adopted or what term you like to use the thiner, they got. 3 out of 3 had lost weight and all had strangles in different stages of it. Why on earth would they have a feed bill? If you got a horse form them you wanted it out fast as you could and had things set up for a sick horse with long feet to show up. I am very sorry did not take pictures of one of mine when she showed up. The man that picked her up looked at me and asked me why I wanted her she was covered in manure over 1/2 of a inch thick on her belly and legs. Her right foot was a solid 8 inches long with shoes on. She was off on that right foot. She was on second wave of strangles from what we could see. Fast forward to today, she is wonderful. Healthy loves children and I adore her enough to try to free up 4 others. But her costs were low, how much does it cost to upload to utube? Pay pal must have fees that she had to pay and Pay pal stuck to them like glue. One issue want the FBI to address with Pay pal allowing them to do this. I went back and forth on this , I wanted to see the horses move in the utube’s to me that was a big plus. If I seen my sweet mare in person doubt would of gone and bought her. But I am so glad I did. I learned so much about getting very sick horses well again. My vet refused to go near any of them till they were due for blood tests to see if they could leave a QT barn. I am not as terrified of strangles as I was in the past. Feel some one else can pick up the slack for this group. Honest I am not sure what their over head was.

[catknsn]

[QUOTE=ldaziens;6967372]
I am a fan of Frog Pond Draft Horse Rescue, and they are very transparent. They also get criticized for not bailing every draft horse that shows up at an auction aka not taking on more horses than they can properly care for and especially for euthanizing horses. In other words, being responsible and doing the right versus the popular thing. [/QUOTE]

Oh absolutely. Everybody thinks you have no right to say no to a horse because you’re a rescue, but the best rescues have a strict limit of how many they can actually afford, and stick to it pretty closely.

I also see criticisms of taking in healthy horses instead of sick, skinny ones. Well, if the healthy horse was free on Craigslist or at the auction selling for under $200, it was actually in MORE danger of going to slaughter than the emaciated horse. Sure, they all need help, but a.c. may be able to seize the emaciated horse, whereas no one can seize a healthy horse being sold carelessly. I like doing the “fixers” too but the fact is, you frequently get stuck forever with the “fixers.” We have a 27 year old Quarab right now that was emaciated that we fixed and now he is a frisky, super sound 27 year old Quarab. Good luck placing that! I love that I saved him but you can only have so many permanent retirees.

The good rescues have tough decisions to make every day, and often must make unpopular ones.

[sassysmom]

re items bought with donations

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;6968159]
Oh yes, good ol’ SWAP.
Yes CBER did dhtat as well, used donations of goods and funds to improve the property at which they required QT, at quite the rate too, that was owned by the Org. Presidents step-father.
I think we’ve all wondered where those items went when CBER disbanded.

ETA it is my understanding that any items bought with donated funds or donated to a 501c3 are to be turned over to another 501c3 should the original one go ‘out of business’. ??[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are right if a non profit closes most states require assets to be distributed to other non profits. Its usually the federal and state law that they include their plan in case of dissolution in their by laws and articles of incorporation too.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=jenm;6968073]
I’m not sure if this has been posted yet, but found it on Facebook:

ATTENTION VICTIMS OF AC4H: MESSAGE FROM THE FBI OFFICE SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX. IF YOU HAVE EVER RECEIVED A SICK, MISREPRESENTED, DEBILITATED OR INCORRECT, OR IF YOU HAVE PAID FOR A ANIMAL AND DID NOT RECEIVE THAT ANIMAL (EXAMPLE, YOU SENT IN YOUR MONEY AND THE HORSE BECAME UNAVAILABE OR WAS DIRECT BAILED BY SOMEONE ELSE, IF HORSE/ANIMAL WAS SWAPPED FOR ANOTHER ANIMAL WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR YOU SENT IN THE TRANSPORT AND THE ANIMAL WAS NOT THERE. THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE LISTED) FROM AC4H, CONTACT SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX AT 610-433-6488. IF SPECIAL AGENT CHARLENE TRUX IS NOT AVAILABLE THE SWITCH BOARD OPERATOR WILL TAKE YOUR NAME AND NUMBER AND SHE WILL CALL YOU BACK.[/QUOTE]

Ruh Roh!

Looks like regular old fraud (as well as possible tax fraud) is on the FBI radar…

[sketcher]

I’m hoping this isn’t another FB hoax but tomorrow I’m going to call and find out. Sleep tight, Shady.

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=sketcher;6968771]
I’m hoping this isn’t another FB hoax but tomorrow I’m going to call and find out. Sleep tight, Shady.[/QUOTE]

The FBI request? Someone upthread already checked, that’s the correct field office number. And that does sound like they’re going for fraud/mail fraud charges.

Though I hope whoever said that the FBI went in with guns out and had one to someone’s head is seriously exaggerating or repeating an exaggeration, because that’s not at all acceptable behavior on the feds’ part…

[lolalola]

Do the Sheidys have an attorney? Hasn’t SOMEONE told them to just shut up and not discuss the case in public?

[fivehorses]

She doesn’t know how;)
She is a spinner.