my take, fwiw, is that i don’t think they are smart enough to realize that what they were allegedly doing, was illegal.
to me those financials scream LOOK AT ME!!!
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The FBI request? Someone upthread already checked, that’s the correct field office number. And that does sound like they’re going for fraud/mail fraud charges.
Though I hope whoever said that the FBI went in with guns out and had one to someone’s head is seriously exaggerating or repeating an exaggeration, because that’s not at all acceptable behavior on the feds’ part…[/QUOTE]
Watch the news video at the beginning of the thread. The news channel interviewed Christy Sheidy and it was she who said the FBI had a gun pointed at her daughter’s head and they shoved her to the ground.
The video clip shows agents removing items from the house and they are packing sidearms. Not at all unusual…when you are moving into a property with a warrant, the occupants aren’t always cooperative.
Anyone else out there who thinks the FBI is reading this thread?
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Anyone else out there who thinks the FBI is reading this thread?[/QUOTE]
If they are, shouldn’t we provide them with a link to the SWAP Thread? 
Knowing how explosive that family can get with foul language and - yes – their swinging hands, I can easily picture why the FBI would throw Christy to the floor and have to restrain the daughter. Oh yes, this is not a meek and mild family we’re talking about, they enjoy screaming and swearing and a good fight. That or the FBI had good reason to not trust those people and felt the floor was the best place for the mother. Just sayin’.
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my take, fwiw, is that i don’t think they are smart enough to realize that what they were allegedly doing, was illegal.
to me those financials scream LOOK AT ME!!![/QUOTE]
I don’t agree; they are perfectly aware of what they are doing; they just figured they would never get caught.
Bumping for the “fed’s”…
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Knowing how explosive that family can get with foul language and - yes – their swinging hands, I can easily picture why the FBI would throw Christy to the floor and have to restrain the daughter. Oh yes, this is not a meek and mild family we’re talking about, they enjoy screaming and swearing and a good fight. That or the FBI had good reason to not trust those people and felt the floor was the best place for the mother. Just sayin’.[/QUOTE]
I have heard similar descriptions of these people from others… luckily when I’ve been in the same facility with them I was able to avoid them and interacting with them.
IF the agents did what she says they did, I agree, there was a good reason to do so.
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I don’t agree; they are perfectly aware of what they are doing; they just figured they would never get caught.[/QUOTE]
narcissistic, smarter than everyone… I agree, they have to know what they were/are doing is wrong as they’ve been told [and attacked those who questioned their actions]… they just think that they were above the law or smarter than the law. Apparently they still think that, per the daughters posts on F’book.
And seriously, who doesn’t feel bad for those agents who have to go through all their accounts and their posts and look at the never ending pouty faced, puckered lip selfies those people post? Hubby this morning said, ‘if they were posting those, were they also posting nudies to their boyfriends, cause you know kids these days have no clue what’s unacceptable’ Gah!
Regardless, someone’s gonna’ need some brain bleach for sure.
And yes, the FBI notice is real, I know, IRL, others who have called and talked to the agent. IMO, one should not assume that an interaction you’ve had with the organization is not applicable… call the FBI and tell them the story of your interaction with this group, and let the Feds decide whether it’s important/applicable
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Knowing how explosive that family can get with foul language and - yes – their swinging hands, I can easily picture why the FBI would throw Christy to the floor and have to restrain the daughter. Oh yes, this is not a meek and mild family we’re talking about, they enjoy screaming and swearing and a good fight. That or the FBI had good reason to not trust those people and felt the floor was the best place for the mother. Just sayin’.[/QUOTE]
I can vouch for this. At least the foul mouthed, thuggish behavior. I’d imagine in person they may not be real sweethearts if the felt you’d crossed them somehow and let me tell you the bar is pretty low for shady to feel this way.
But I would imagine the FBI is following SOP, not specifically because the Shady family is any particularly any threat.
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I can vouch for this. At least the foul mouthed, thuggish behavior. I’d imagine in person they may not be real sweethearts if the felt you’d crossed them somehow and let me tell you the bar is pretty low for shady to feel this way.
But I would imagine the FBI is following SOP, not specifically because the Shady family is any particularly any threat.[/QUOTE]
Well, no, it’s not, unless they had weapons involved. Contrary to the movies or what certain gung-ho federalists believe, the FBI can’t just go in with guns blazing and throwing people around unless they have a reason, and screaming doesn’t count. Especially when they’re not dealing with a violent crime. That’s the kind of thing that gets cases into trouble by making it about police brutality. Unless they had a real, imminent reason to think their lives were in danger that makes it about mishandling by the agents, not the crime. Any smart lawyer knows that and it gives THEM figurative ammo.
Which is why…pictures or it didn’t happen, Christy. That’s EXACTLY the kind of thing someone would say to try and make it about “Big bad feds vs. poor little innocent me.” I very much doubt anyone was thrown to the floor or had guns to their head but I sure as heck could see the Shadies making up a story about it to feed the ZOMG VICTIM narrative.
(And I can’t watch video, so of course I didn’t see it.)
In the video, you could tell she was almost correcting herself about the events. She was careful about words, which makes me think she was wondering if she’d better not lie about the FBI. In other words, it looked like she was creating the scene in her head, but sort of back pedaling. It didn’t seem consistent or true to me the way it would had someone really been through something that traumatic. It would roll off the tongue.
you would think that a reputable rescue would do checks on who actually buys these horses off of the lot. They don’t It’s first come, first serve and whoever sends in the first signed form and the first check full of money, gets the horse. Once money has been sent; no questions are ever asked.
The story about being thrown to the ground, and guns pointed at heads, came from Christy - which means very little to me, as I don’t believe much of what she spouts.
Please note I am NOT comparing AC4H to CANTER but if they were doing things correctly it would be similar in that they would simply list the broker owned horses to get them exposure due to their wide audience and let the broker handle everything else. No promises made, no checks done, no money changes hands, just get the word out. Then they would adopt/collect funds for the rescue owned horses and those funds would be used for their care and rehab as well the every day expenses of running a non profit. I am assuming those lines were very blurred to say the least wherein lies the problem.
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you would think that a reputable rescue would do checks on who actually buys these horses off of the lot. They don’t It’s first come, first serve and whoever sends in the first signed form and the first check full of money, gets the horse. Once money has been sent; no questions are ever asked.[/QUOTE]
That is irrelevant. It is one business model vs another. I personally would not take a horse form a rescue that had a 10 page contract and kept ownership forever. I would however, agree to take a horse that a rescue had pulled from a lot to save it, with no strings attached. I guess it’s all in how you look at it. If a horse truly gets pulled as a rescue, that is one more shot it has at a good life rather than a definite end of the line.
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you would think that a reputable rescue would do checks on who actually buys these horses off of the lot. They don’t It’s first come, first serve and whoever sends in the first signed form and the first check full of money, gets the horse. Once money has been sent; no questions are ever asked.[/QUOTE]
Rescues are ‘damned if we do, damned if we don’t’. We do have a contract, do follow-up visits, don’t allow breeding, and allow limited rehoming. And people think we’re too strict. Then if a rescue doesn’t check out homes, follow-up, etc. other people come along to say that they’re too lenient. My personal opinion is that there are many methods of ‘rescue’ (a word that is often used any more to mean even buying a horse from a home you don’t like). If the rescue/organization/individual is following relevant laws, honest with their supporters, and ethical, the only people who should care about their exact methods (5 million follow-ups vs 2-3 follow-ups vs no follow-ups) should be the rescue and its supporters.
It appears that that’s not really applicable to AC4H (since it appears they violated all three of those things).
We purchased a rescue horse about 2.5 years ago from them, before we knew better. That being said, they were good through most of the buying process. I had a short list of horses that I was interested in seeing and wasn’t interested in looking at any others. They kept trying to push one horse on us but we there was no way we were taking it. Took 3 tries to get it from the big field and then the horse pinned his ears back the minute the oldest daughter got on his back. The daughter purposely tried to get that horse to buck. Weird, especially since we already said we were interested when they couldn’t catch it the first time. It was cold outside and there was no way I was purchasing a horse that I couldn’t catch in a field. Besides, I had a solid list and wasn’t interested in looking at any other horses.
Ended up with a decent horse with no hidden problems. Horse was under weight when we got it which was odd since it had been in the rescue for months. I was also told it was registered. Once our money was paid it was a pain in the butt to get a pick up date. Finally, I just left a message saying when I was coming. The barn manager and I got in the truck and took off to pick it up. It was at her home. I called and called until I got through to someone that day and told them to get the horse ready. We showed up and everything went smoothly until I told them I wanted the registration paperwork. Told me that the registration stayed with the rescue. Hmm, so I get clear title to the horse but not the registration paperwork. I don’t think so!! Christy wouldn’t even come out of her bedroom to speak to me. Everything was done through her assistant or whomever that person was. Finally they agreed to give me a photo copy of it to appease me. That works! I called the registry and spoke to them. They contacted the previous owner. Yes, she had turned a horse matching my horse’s description over to them. Yes, that was the horse’s name, etc., etc. Everything matched. Registration was transferred. The Registry people were pissed! Said if I had the horse and clear title (which I faxed them) then the registration stays with the owner and NOT the rescue. All fixed. 
Was the horse everything they promised? No. I was told she was dead broke and knew how to drive. She is green broke and doesn’t know any driving commands. But she’s a great horse and we love her. Bottom line, that’s all that matters.
^^Well, it’s not all that matters :(. There is so much wrong with AC4H that it’s hard to even list - and there will need to be other investigations by other authorities. The FBI is a start…but I want them to answer for not feeding the horses. For not feedding my horse, and hundred of others, and then they can go from there.
My limited, second hand experience with a horse that came from them would lead me to believe that food bills were not an issue for AC4H. I don’t think anyone had fed that horse for a long time. He looked far worse than the photo I saw of him at New Holland.
