And then apparently two different people are claiming that’s their horse (the Cassie White-Thacker person and a Jennifer Cossette).
I’m so confused.
Just saw this update on Facebook (LPFR referring to Lilly Pond Foal Rescue):
“Jennifer Cossette got the pony from someone local to LPFR, Cassie, the woman gave her to Jennifer for pony rides. While Jennifer was away she was sold is now what they are being told, at the time that was posted I think everyone thought the woman just sold her/took her to auction. Jennifer paid for her to be bailed and returned to Cassie and Cassie asked LPFR to do quarantine (since shes now been through the auction circuit) and place her through the rescue so she will be adopted with contract from what I understand.”
So, from all that, I’m assuming the following:
Jennifer Cossette is affiliated/part of/owner(?) of Pony To Go in Berryville, VA, and got the pony from Cassie, with Cassie stating she would take the pony back if she didn’t work out. However, Jennifer says she was on vacation, and during that time, the pony is now said to have been taken to auction “by mistake”. So Jennifer/Pony To Go paid the fee to AC4H to get her back, and the pony was then sent to LPFR, with an offer to go back to Cassie. However, Cassie doesn’t want her, so LPFR will adopt her out after QT.
Gee, now nice that a pony ride/petting zoo company dumps ponies at New Holland. 
I think Cassie White-Thacker is the pony party owner and Jennifer Cossette was the orginal owner who GAVE him to the pony party owner with an agreement she would take him back. Just another reason to be very, very careful when you give away a horse.
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I think Cassie White-Thacker is the pony party owner and Jennifer Cossette was the orginal owner who GAVE him to the pony party owner with an agreement she would take him back. Just another reason to be very, very careful when you give away a horse.[/QUOTE]
Nope. I just did some research. Jennifer Cossette, and her husband, Dale, own Pony To Go:
http://www.ponytogo.com/ourstaff.html
This is what Cassie posted on the Lilly Pond Foal Rescue page last Thursday:
Cassie White-Thacker:
“It wasn’t a matter of the contract not being enforced, the pony was taken to auction by mistake, and she shouldn’t have gone. I did my research, called references and all, followed up, got pictures…. This is a horrible mistake. The owner of the company has stepped up and paid her bail, she will be coming home through Lilly Pond and then adopted out. It was never a fact that I couldn’t afford her, in inherited over 10 ponies when my grandmother passed away and they were all just standing out in the field. I kept the ones who I knew wouldn’t be able to be re homed.”
But, yeah, bottom line is that this pony ended up going to the worst auction barn on the East Coast. There are closer auctions than New Holland, so that’s a mystery, too, unless the person from Pony To Go was hoping no one would recognize the pony at the sale.
But, you are so right about being careful in rehoming horses.
Thanks Liberty…it was confusing. Thanks for ferreting out the details.
Isn’t it interestingly coincidental how these types of situations happen to certain people or groups over and over and over…?
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Isn’t it interestingly coincidental how these types of situations happen to certain people or groups over and over and over…?[/QUOTE]
I know, right? What a coinky dink!
Nothing to do with AC4H but has to do with stolen horse and who gets horse/money/screwed.
A horse was held at PB ACC reportedly ‘stolen’ and sold. I don’t know the exact details but My speculating based on little facts: Owner and husband seperated…husband sold horse ( for $25K) buyer bought horse thinking everything was OK apparently. From what I understand horse went back to ‘owner’ and person who paid $25K is out $$$s AND doesn’t get the horse and is totally screwed!!! I guess she’ll have to sue the ‘seller’ to get $$$s.
So, warning to anyone purchasing big $$s horse…be sure the papers are in order.
Also, why is it in some areas the police get involved and some areas they don’t and call it a ‘civil matter’ .
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And it gets weirder:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/permalink.php?story_fbid=549899288404228&id=251670221560471[/QUOTE]
I love it. $500 “bail”. Do you suppose more than $50 was paid for the pony at the auction? I’d say the appropriate word would be ransom.
I am so friggin sick of hearing the word “bail” associated with horse “rescue” (hell I’m pretty damn sick of hearing them use the word “rescue” too but that’s another subject).
You bail your meth-head boyfriend out of jail after he side-swipes a city bus while tweaking and leads police on a high-speed chase. You bail water out of your canoe when your drunk idiot friend tips the darn thing, after you chase down your cooler full of beer to keep it from floating down the river.
You don’t bail horses. You pay an exuberant amount of money for a horse that is probably only worth half or a third the asking price, from shady shitty soul-less horse dealers who in turn will again fiscally rape you for quarantine on the animal that probably won’t be done correctly if at all. Then you may or may not receive said horse you paid for, maybe you’ll get a different horse or no horse at all. It’s not BAIL. It’s simply pissing away your money, giving it to bottom-end horse dealers. No horses are saved, ever, because any kill buyer that holds a contract with a SH is still going to fill the truck and make his delivery be it with this horse or that one. Maybe sometimes someone keeps horse A off the truck but in doing so they are handing horse B a death sentence.
The people that support this infinite loop of lunacy…what is wrong with them? How can anyone be that dense?
What scares me most is there is a whole segment of the American horse-loving population out there, who know absolutely nothing about the equine community and horses in general except the truck loads of excrement people like Sheidy feed them. Black eye on the horse community indeed. For the love of God why hasn’t the government shut that woman down already!?!?
While I don’t disagree with anything you said GGR, more or less none of the stuff you mentioned is illegal. That is definitely not what she is being investigated for.
What this reminds me of is the awful practice of shopping for a new car. Because no one has authority. Ever finalize a deal with the salesman, who returns from the boss’s office only to tell you, “sorry, I really couldn’t make that deal - the boss said it wasn’t ok”.
The difference is, I’ve walked out of many car dealerships who pull that. Here, you worry about the horses, especially because they are “owned by a kill buyer”, but…
AC4H Broker Horses Jennifer please email info@ac4h.com - we don’t own the horses. The horses price is posted. They are now owned by the kill buyer. We present all offers, I can’t guarantee that he will accept it. - Lara.
What a load of crap. Would they just hurry up and build their case against them once and for all?!? :yes:
Yeah I realize that. If she goes down it’ll likely be on tax evasion or fraud or something along those lines, I know I know.
But actually, some of what I ranted about is illegal. Specifically the taking money for horses that are misrepresented, swapped for other horses or not delivered at all. I think pretty much everybody and their Aunt Tilly knows AC4H has been pulling that crap for years. In all reality she should have been gone long before the government caught a whiff of her smelly dealings…if not for the gullible fools that keep “bailing” these horses week after week. They need to wake the hell up and realize who they are dealing with. The information is out there and isn’t too hard to find.
/Rant. My apologies.
No worries on the rant LOL
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Yeah I realize that. If she goes down it’ll likely be on tax evasion or fraud or something along those lines, I know I know.
But actually, some of what I ranted about is illegal. Specifically the taking money for horses that are misrepresented, swapped for other horses or not delivered at all. I think pretty much everybody and their Aunt Tilly knows AC4H has been pulling that crap for years. In all reality she should have been gone long before the government caught a whiff of her smelly dealings…if not for the gullible fools that keep “bailing” these horses week after week. They need to wake the hell up and realize who they are dealing with. The information is out there and isn’t too hard to find.
/Rant. My apologies.[/QUOTE]
No need to apologize, I agree with you. I just don’t think that is what is going to get her thrown in jail at best or out of business, second best.
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No need to apologize, I agree with you. I just don’t think that is what is going to get her thrown in jail at best or out of business, second best.[/QUOTE]
I have doubts either will happen. FFS she got raided by the FBI and is still at it full throttle…either she’s got a brass pair or she really does know know for sure they can’t pin anything on her. Anybody with any sense of self-preservation would, after a raid like that, stop doing whatever put them on the Fed’s radar at least until the dust settles. Nope, she just keeps trucking right along doesn’t she?
…and the people that keep supporting her, keep sending her money, buying horses, keeping her in business…
I just don’t get how people can be that dense.
Anyway, the term “bail” really sticks in my craw. Unless Merriam-Webster has added the definition “the process of suckers getting ripped off by shifty horse traders” then it just does not apply.
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I have doubts either will happen. FFS she got raided by the FBI and is still at it full throttle…either she’s got a brass pair or she really does know know for sure they can’t pin anything on her. Anybody with any sense of self-preservation would, after a raid like that, stop doing whatever put them on the Fed’s radar at least until the dust settles. Nope, she just keeps trucking right along doesn’t she?
…and the people that keep supporting her, keep sending her money, buying horses, keeping her in business… I just don’t get how people can be that dense.
Anyway, the term “bail” really sticks in my craw. Unless Merriam-Webster has added the definition “the process of suckers getting ripped off by shifty horse traders” then it just does not apply.[/QUOTE]
While I do agree it’s interesting that she keeps on keepin’ on since the raid and some might think this spells ‘they got nothin’ on me’ consider the ‘beast’ and all the times she’s been cornered and weaseled out. One could get a false sense of ‘my merde doesn’t stink’ from a history like that, especially someone like the people we’re talkin’ about.
I keep going back to what I know about the FBI and raids executed with a warrant… those do not happen for $hits and giggles, but because there is VERY good cause to go in, lots and lots of evidence already, and it’s all done but for the dotting if 'i’s and crossing of 't’s.
That it’s taking longer because the FBI, post raid, got a flood of more cases and evidence I think is excellent.
The more nails in the coffin, the less likely a resurrection!
It can take 6-12 months to complete an investigation and that is regarding murder. With a case like this, it has to be slotted in and it is usually NOT a high priority unless it is mega amounts like Rita Cundell
Many of us who posted on TROT when they were a forum, were accused of negative behaviour because we did not support AC4H. We were told we were not wanted (quit posting) because we questioned WHY should we donate from $500-1000 for a RESCUE horse…in the kill pen. That is a sale. Not a rescue.
Especially when they paid $150.00 or less for the horse.
A few posters here on COTH who are now against them were actually against those of us who would not support them on TROT.
Strange how that works.
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I have doubts either will happen. FFS she got raided by the FBI and is still at it full throttle…either she’s got a brass pair or she really does know know for sure they can’t pin anything on her. Anybody with any sense of self-preservation would, after a raid like that, stop doing whatever put them on the Fed’s radar at least until the dust settles. Nope, she just keeps trucking right along doesn’t she?
Anyway, the term “bail” really sticks in my craw. Unless Merriam-Webster has added the definition “the process of suckers getting ripped off by shifty horse traders” then it just does not apply.[/QUOTE]
I believe there is an element of attention seeking behavior in all of this -heck, in a lot of the rescue people. They NEED the adrenaline, they thrive on the attention (good or bad) -the more, the better.
I follow local rescues on FB and it seems to me it is all about attention seeking behavior and very little about the animals. Make room Florence Nightingale, the animal rescue heroes have arrived! They truly are the “superheroes” of our generation! Right! Not only that, but they make money doing what they “love.”
The raid has just added to her drama, the adrenaline, the excitement that is…“ANIMAL RESCUE”
She sees her life in a movie title.
An arm chair psychoanalyst might predict that narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) would be the diagnosis of many of these so called animal rescuers.
…and they still have to pay the bills…so keep on keepin’ on but MAYBE they aren’t double dipping by asking for ‘donations’ AND ‘bail’ AND ‘adoption fee’. I only hope that someone is feeding the poor critters.
It sounds like there is some ‘issues’ between Brian’s wife and Christi Shady. It seems she has been quoted as saying she feels they’re making too much money on the deals and that they’re dishonest… Awww
