Besides Alexandro P (who was a little to expensive for me this year), are there any other 100% Gelderlander stallions available in the US?
I beleive Ikepono is all gelder.
Yes Deborah Harrisonâs stallion is all Gelderlander.
I saw him perform a Grand Prix test at the LAEC. Wowza.
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Yes Deborah Harrisonâs stallion is all Gelderlander.
I saw him perform a Grand Prix test at the LAEC. Wowza.[/QUOTE]
http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000547
He is listed as 81%. It is interesting that he is registered as a Riding Type as opposed to a Gelders.
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http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000547
He is listed as 81%. It is interesting that he is registered as a Riding Type as opposed to a Gelders.[/QUOTE]
He is gorgeous! I have my Ferro mare Saretta, who is 29.75% Gelder infoal to him and just canât wait!!!
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http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000547
He is listed as 81%. It is interesting that he is registered as a Riding Type as opposed to a Gelders.[/QUOTE]
For being a Gelderlander is required that a horse has at least 75% of the original versatile blood from the days that the horses were selected in the Dutch agriculture for a level headed character, soundness, workwillingness, etc. Such a horse can be an excellent sport horse too. A Gelderlander can be registered as a ridinghorse (Zoöloog and Tepic la Silla are 100% Gelderlanders) or as a Dutch harness horse (Lianca is 100% Gelderlander), but the horse is a Gelderlander too, because the genes of a horse donât change by an other registration in the studbook computer.
Fantastic. I like Alexandro P. I donât see using him with my mares though. I like the Gelderlandar blood, but I like to have a blend in my breeding program.
Kathy
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http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000547
He is listed as 81%. It is interesting that he is registered as a Riding Type as opposed to a Gelders.[/QUOTE]
He is registered as Gelders, not Riding type.
Also in North America we have the Dutch Harness Horses:
Jonker (75% Gelders/25% Hackney by pedigree, he is also under new ownership)
Gelviro (75% Gelders/25% Hackney)
Horal (87.5% Gelders/12.5% Hackney)
Moneymaker (50% Gelders/50% Hackney)
Opgenoort (81.25% Gelders/18.75% Hackney)
Whiskei (84.375% Gelders/15.625% Hackney)
Zion-JC (75% Gelders/12.5% Hackney/12.5% Saddlebred)
Harmonie (87.5% Gelders/12.5% Hackney)
Uromast (93.75% Gelders/6.25% Hackney)
I believe I have covered all of the ones that we have over here that were either approved in Holland or licensed in North America.
For a Gelderlander is required at least 75% versatile Gelderlander blood and is allowed at most 6,25% Hackneyblood. So Uromast meets the requirements for a Gelderlander pedigree.
Since the stallion Fortissimo is gelded in 2003, there isnât left any pure Gelderlander stallion in the Dutch Harness Horse breeding.
Horal (87.5% Gelders/12.5% Hackney)
Zion-JC (75% Gelders/12.5% Hackney/12.5% Saddlebred)
Harmonie (87.5% Gelders/12.5% Hackney)
Uromast (93.75% Gelders/6.25% Hackney)
If a person bred a 75% or more Gelders blood mare to any of the above stallions, then the resulting foal would have 75% - 84.375% Gelders blood (depending on which stallion), and no more than 3.125% - 6.25% Hackney. Then the resulting foal could qualify for Gelders papers.
Would the resulting foal auto matically get Gelders papers, or would he get RP papers and have to be inspected to determine his âtypeâ? Would it make a difference if the 75% Gelders mare had Gelders papers, or if she had RP papers? What if she was 75% Gelders blood by bloodlines, but she had TP papers? So TP papered mare x TP papered stallion, but foal is 75% Gelders blood with not more than 6.256% Hackney?
Last year the Dutch Parliament decided that the Gelderlander bloodlines have to be saved for the future because of the good character of this horse and because of biodiversity.
Against the yearly meeting of the Gelderlander breeders, in 1998 KWPN changed the rule from 1964 that for a Gelderlander is required at least 75% versatile Gelderlander blood. Since, KWPN is not for Gelderlander blood but against TB-blood, see http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/stateaid/decisions/n12805_en.pdf After that, for subsidy of the state was required for a Groninger horse 75% original blood and for a Gelderlander 0%. The Dutch Parliament doesnât agree with abolishing the Gelderlander blood. Carrying the decision of the Parliament, KWPN is considering their studbook rules again. I expect the original studbook rules of the Gelderlander breed from before founding KWPN will be restored again.
This year a request for registering as Gelderlander is refused for a foal that has 97% Gelderlander blood, because the parents are not registered as Gelderlander. As the studbook really will help to survive the Gelderlander horse, it has to become possible that the foals in your exemple can qualify for Gelderlander papers. I expect next year this will be possible.
When I presented my mare Natuur (Wanroij x Oran) for studbook I requested that her papers be changed to âbasic paardâ. She now has KWPN papers that reflect that designation. Is that good enough to reflect her Gelders background?
Basispaard was the name by KWPN during some years, later the original name Gelders paard is restored again. Your horse has 75% excellent Gelderlander blood and that is valuable for the future.
Siegi - BASIS Paard is the âbasicâ (all around) horse, The Gelderlander.
Ooops! Anton beat me to it!
Anton, thank you for answering my questions. So, do you know if the resulting foal automatically get GP papers? Or, would he have to be inspected so the jury could see him in person to deterimine his âtypeâ?
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If a person bred a 75% or more Gelders blood mare to any of the above stallions, then the resulting foal would have 75% - 84.375% Gelders blood (depending on which stallion), and no more than 3.125% - 6.25% Hackney. Then the resulting foal could qualify for Gelders papers.
Would the resulting foal auto matically get Gelders papers, or would he get RP papers and have to be inspected to determine his âtypeâ? Would it make a difference if the 75% Gelders mare had Gelders papers, or if she had RP papers? What if she was 75% Gelders blood by bloodlines, but she had TP papers? So TP papered mare x TP papered stallion, but foal is 75% Gelders blood with not more than 6.256% Hackney?[/QUOTE]
Anton left out that it is 6.25% maximum Hackney and Saddlebred combined for a Gelders horse. I have always scratched my head at why more Thoroughbred and other miscellaneous Warmblood blood is allowed than Hackney and Saddlebred. And as I understand it when dealing with Harness book stallions: a Harness horse mare would make a Harness Horse foal, a Gelders mare would make a Harness Horse or Gelders foal (basd on pedigree and type of foal), and a Riding Horse mare would make a Riding horse foal. One parent must be registered Gelders to make the Gelders book.
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Anton, thank you for answering my questions. So, do you know if the resulting foal automatically get GP papers? Or, would he have to be inspected so the jury could see him in person to deterimine his âtypeâ?[/QUOTE]
At this moment a foal is only registered as Gelderlander as at least one of the parents is in the studbook computer registered as Gelderlander, a few years ago this wasnât necessary. There isnât an inspection of foals, only at 3 years old or elder at the studbookinspection. I think the studbook has to take the breeder seriously and has to register the foal such as the breeder wishes, provided that the foal fulfils the blood requirements. Breeding goes according to the genetics of Mendel and not according to the computerlaws of Microsoft.
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Anton left out that it is 6.25% maximum Hackney and Saddlebred combined for a Gelders horse. I have always scratched my head at why more Thoroughbred and other miscellaneous Warmblood blood is allowed than Hackney and Saddlebred. And as I understand it when dealing with Harness book stallions: a Harness horse mare would make a Harness Horse foal, a Gelders mare would make a Harness Horse or Gelders foal (basd on pedigree and type of foal), and a Riding Horse mare would make a Riding horse foal. One parent must be registered Gelders to make the Gelders book.[/QUOTE]
There is allowed more other blood than Hackney blood, because the Hackney gives a much more difficult character. Because the Saddlebred is allowed in breeding Harness Horse foals too, by KWPN the Saddlebred is equalized to the Hackney. I donât think this is rightly, but Iâm not sure. I hope the rest I answered above.
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He is registered as Gelders, not Riding type.[/QUOTE]
I donât mean to nit pick, but he is listed here as riding typeâŠ
http://www.nawpn.org/stallions/details.php?unid=190&catid=31
