He used to be listed as approved Gelders, but that was on the old site. Not sure if he was changed in recent years and then listed as RP on the old site? Maybe it’s a type-o on the new site?
Yes Ijsselmeer is Gelders but…
I am dusting out the cobwebs from my brain as I try to remember but I think that Ijsselmeer and Zooloog were two Gelders stallions who were considered to be suitable for producing offspring that would be registered in riding horse section of the studbook when bred to non Gelders mares. So, the KWPN acknowledged this by placing Ijsselmeer in the riding horse section although he is Gelders. In the KWPN NA keurings last year, a three year old mare by Ijsselmeer was entered as a riding horse but at the keuring was judged as a Gelders mare as she was out of a mare by Formateur (Gelders).
b- I was hoping you would join in on this topic. (she was the one who helped me find much of the info I was looking for.)
So I guess I go back to my question…
Are there any 100% Gelders stallions besides Alexandro P available in the US?
No. Early on in the 70’s there were probably others, but the only 100% GP approved KWPN stallion I can remember was Ijsselmeer’s sire, Vosmaer. CDE Driver you will like this picture: http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000531
There is still 75% Gelders Paard frozen semen from Taxateur available. Ijsselmeer’s dam Cadenza is by him: http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000541
None of the other GP stallions in Holland have frozen semen that is prepared for export to the US.
The CWHBA approved 100% Gelderlander stallion Vulcaan died last year at the age of 27 years old www.canadianwarmbloods.com/stalliondetail.php?horseid=1000169 From his full brother Avenir (1978 – 2005) www.onestone.com/Avenir.htm is still some frozen sperm available, I think. In America their sire Patrick (1974 – 1999) was famous as showjumper and as sire of excellent dressagehorses, but he is unknown in The Netherlands www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000523
More about Emigrant
The picture of Emigrant, referred to in an earlier post, was courtesy of Doreen Peters, the daughter of Dutch immigrant John Peters, the man who imported Emigrant to Canada. She told me that her father loved that horse with a passion. When he imported him, the horse had his foal book papers but was too young to go through the approvals in Holland. John thought that he would be able to get him approved with the registries available at that time in Canada. When he presented him to the Canadian Hunter Improvement Society, he was not accepted. The only sense that I can make of this is that the mare base at that time included a lot of draft mares that were being bred to TBs to produce hunters and that perhaps it was thought that he would not be appropriate for these mares. As a result of this, Emigrant had no approval and it was difficult for him to attract mares. John Peters was a very fine rider who was short listed for the Canadian Three Day Event Team in the 1960’s although not on Emigrant. Emigrant was campaigned as a jumper and three day eventer. He had some mares sent to him by people who were prepared to take a risk and breed to an unapproved stallion. According to Doreen, he never had much of a chance to make his mark as a stallion although he produced a small number of offspring that excelled in sport and brought repeat breedings. Many of these horses went to the U.S. and did well for their owners. She recounted how kind Emigrant was and that as children; they would ride around the farm on him bareback. He died while only in his teens, never having an opportunity to achieve the greatness that his pedigree promised but he was greatly loved by his family. Apparently, her father was heartbroken at his loss. I was touched by his story.
I am always sad that no gelders blood made it to Australia.
b, that was a nice story about Emigrant! thanks for sharing!
Ravel is 43.75% Gelderlander?
There is a post in the Dressage section about Ravels breeding. This is such a wonderful horse, and I believe that the GP blood is part of what makes him so special! (although his sire lines are no slackers either!:)). He is 43.75% GP. His dam, Hautain is 71.87% GP. Contango is by Contender (100% Holst), and out of 50% Old 50% XX mare Adisa III.
I AM WRONG! Wrong Democraat. Ravel is 25% GP.
copy of my post in Dressage Forum:
I think I was smokin something (not really) late last night when I made my post. It was way past my bed time!
This is the wrong Democraat that I first thought was his dam’s father: http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00004179
Here is the correct Democraat, who is 50% GP:
http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00007750
http://www.hengstenstation.com/hssystem/hengstenshow.php?target=19
Pion is this Democraat’s father. He is 50% GP. http://www.gelderlanderhorse.nl/pedigree/nederlands/horse.php?N=00000454
Ravel’s dam, Hautain is 50% GP, so that makes him 25% GP.
I am breeding my mare that is 25% Gelders to Zion JC that is 75% Gelders. I am SO not a math person, but will that give me a foal that is 62% Gelders?
From what Anton said, in order to get GP papers one parent would have to have GP papers, is that right?
So…if a filly results and I breed HER to a horse with GP papers that foal would be registered as GP?
I have looked on the KWPN-NA site at the registration possibilities chart. It does look like the jury at keuring time may have some input on which book the horse goes in to.
Just trying to get all this figured out! Why can’t a lovely Gelders mare just drop in lap!?!?! 
CDE Driver - I was just going to suggest Zion to you… the stud fee is quite attractive right now and he is mostly Gelderlander.
The other 100% (I think) Gelders stallion that was approved in the US was Sandor Jane who was sold and then gelded. I believe Willy Arts from DG Bar may still have a couple of doses of frozen semen from Sandor…
By the way, I have the best Gelders mare in the world!!
Hey! Not so fast!
How can you have the best Gelders mare in the world when I have her? 
I suspect that the Austins might also think that Dayowillie is right up there!
:winkgrin:
I do not understand why Sandor Jane was gelded when the breed is so rare.
Sandor-Jane was 76% GP.
He is 76% GP. Not sure why Sandor-Jane was gelded, but he was licensed, not approved. Maybe he didn’t meet the approval requirements, or?
I found three Sandor-Jane children for sale:
Sandor Jane was licensed and then sold. The new owners wanted a riding horse…
Sandor Jane is in my area and he is being actively campaigned.
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Oh! I always liked him. How is he doing? What do you think of him?
I saw Sandor Jane (now shown as Sandor) at a horse show 4 years ago (when I still lived in So. Cal). His owner said of him that he had the very best work ethic.
And yes, as Siegi said: he was gelded because the buyers wanted a riding horse and weren’t interested in having a stallion.
I wonder what the registration status would be on any foals born with his frozen semen? (assuming Willie still has some frozen on hand)
