I would think that the angle between the scapula and humerus and the freedom of the shoulder would be what matters ~ otherwise no one would have ever thought that a laid back scapula was a good thing.
Bringing this thread back
I saw Gemini at a schooling show a bit ago. It seems the earlier comment on temperament was correct. Very naughty, was rearing and leaping around at the in gate-- had to be kept away and trotted in. Let everyone know he was a stallion, screaming, etc. He was smaller than I’d thought, fairly light boned, and very average looking. Jumped decently. Maybe he will grow into himself more.
You know, there was a reason Gem Twist was gelded…
Maybe this has already been noted–but there is a second clone gone to England!
Just saw his ad in Horse of the Delaware Valley. US stud fee of $3500 which includes $500 nonrefundable booking fee. LFG. Fresh cooled semen.
He is registered with Anglo European Stud Book.
The ad is on page 11 of Jan 2013 Horse of Delaware Valley.
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Bringing this thread back
I saw Gemini at a schooling show a bit ago. It seems the earlier comment on temperament was correct. Very naughty, was rearing and leaping around at the in gate-- had to be kept away and trotted in. Let everyone know he was a stallion, screaming, etc. He was smaller than I’d thought, fairly light boned, and very average looking. Jumped decently. Maybe he will grow into himself more.[/QUOTE]
Strictly out of curiousity, do you know who was riding him? Not a name, per se’, but was it someone you know with great experience, or someone who maybe was just happy to be associated with those “names”?
I talked to Laura Chapot in October when I saw her at Gladstone, and although I didn’t ask specifically I was left thinking she was riding him.
Well he is young and if they dont take him anywhere he doesnt even get a chance to learn his job. If he still acts that way after lots of outside world experience/stimuli that is an issue that may translate to one’s breeding decision. Certainly people would not be breeding to him anyway for an ammie hunter.
Any Gemini updates since Dec 2012? Friend just posted that she is breeding a mare to him so wanted to bump this thread up and see if he has been out at any shows this year and how he was doing
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just reading their website…interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males…or are they just not talking about the fillies ?
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That is VERY interesting! Are they manipulating the genetic components to ONLY produce colts as that will give the client the best bang for their bucks, and best Return on Investment?
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just reading their website…interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males…or are they just not talking about the fillies ?[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you mean by this but any foals sired by a clone are not clones themselves. And of course, a clone of Gem Twist would have to be male.
Is this a serious question? There’s one x chromosome and one y available for cloning here, so all clones are males. No mystery fillies to worry about.
I did not at all take mardi’s comment the way you 2 did LOL 
I took it to mean “it seems like the site only has clones of geldings/stallions, not mares”
Indeed, MOST of the cloned horses there were geldings or stallions. I did find a mare mentioned though, way at the bottom, Grande Dame
Other than my friend’s mare that is being bred to him, have any others taken the plunge and bred any mares to him this year?
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just reading their website…interesting stuff. It seems that all the clones are males…or are they just not talking about the fillies ?[/QUOTE]
They have cloned mares: Poetin, Ratina Z (both several times).
You can buy clones of Betty de Kreisker SF; Charites KWPN (dam of Nadine); Harmoni KWPN; Roxane de Gruchy SF; Sophie du Chateau SF; Une Etoile d’Elle SF; Varoussa Arab.
I thought they cloned Dollar Girl, but I can’t find any reference for it.
We don’t know how many mares have donated tissue for cloning anonymously.
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Is this a serious question? There’s one x chromosome and one y available for cloning here, so all clones are males. No mystery fillies to worry about.[/QUOTE]
You know what ? You’re absolutely right !! 
The males would have males.
I was totally asleep at the wheel on that one. LOL.
Posted at 12:30 AM…that’ll teach me.
When I think clone, I think pedigree, not gender.
“Learn to admit your mistakes before someone exaggerates the story.”
My mistake !
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I’ve seen a few lovely foal pictures by him. Gem was handful as a young horse…and as an older horse too. NO…I would not breed to him for hunters or event horses but absolutely for jumpers. He was gelded mostly because he was for sale/sold as a young horse and they still had his sire. Frank was in the business of selling horses…not keeping every colt a stallion.
Even when he was still competing…if you looked at Gem in his stall, he was not very big nor very impressive. Just your classic white TB–nice but not anything that really stood out. But damn, when he got into the warm up for a big class. He would grow. And the power that horse had off the ground was unbelievable. He was an absolute talent.
Most people would not have picked Gem out of a line of horses as any thing close to how special he was…but if you saw him go…any horseman knew what a talent he was.
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I’m with Sonesta to hear that he’s a bit of a handful isn’t shocking. His donor was gelded for also being a bit of a handful and having concentration issues.
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You know what ? You’re absolutely right !!
The males would have males.
I was totally asleep at the wheel on that one. LOL.
Posted at 12:30 AM…that’ll teach me.
When I think clone, I think pedigree, not gender.
“Learn to admit your mistakes before someone exaggerates the story.”
My mistake ![/QUOTE]
Love it, Mardi! But, maybe in this case a mare with an identical phenotype would prove easier to handle temperament wise if possible to create, so…your line of thought is interesting… Maybe someday we’ll figure out how to extend a Y into an X without messing up the genetic “message”.
I almost bought a half sister to Gem Twist waaaay back (same dam, of course) and she was a doll. Sweetest mare ever and could jump the moon. Only, turned out she was nearly blind in one eye and did poorly on her flexions at 4 years old, so it was a no go for me. 
I’d hoped to breed eventually and the vet said the eye was a heritable thing, so I didn’t even look into the failed flexions.
