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Other than my friend’s mare that is being bred to him, have any others taken the plunge and bred any mares to him this year?[/QUOTE]
I have a yearling colt by him who is pretty nice so far (fingers crossed that I don’t jinx him by saying that). He is gelded and his temperment is nice so far.
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Most people would not have picked Gem out of a line of horses as any thing close to how special he was…but if you saw him go…any horseman knew what a talent he was.[/QUOTE]
He was the most impressive jumper I’ve ever seen. Took your breath away. Hope his clone can pass on that talent but I rather doubt it. IMO, Gem Twist was more of an “end product” rather than breeding material.
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He was the most impressive jumper I’ve ever seen. Took your breath away. Hope his clone can pass on that talent but I rather doubt it. IMO, Gem Twist was more of an “end product” rather than breeding material.[/QUOTE]
Only reason I disagree is that I rode and knew several others of his family. All very impressive but of course he was a freak–heads above most other horses. That said…I think his pedigee and line DO have a lot to offer. And I have VERY little doubt that crossed on the right type of mare, he is as capable of producing a competitive horse for today as many of the other stallions out there. That TB blood that he carries is hard to find and would be a great cross on some of the WB mares out there. His jump was certainly something that was in that family and I think would be passed on. Will the clone produce another as talented as Gem. Maybe not but that is because ones like Gem are very VERY rare…but he certainly does have a good chance of producing top jumping horses. The freaks like Gem are a combination of genetics and training…but the genetics are there and they are worth breeding on.
Question: Do those of you who have clones or are considering clones feel comfortable with the cloning results ? Even though clones have shown to have a presence of abnormalities in some ?
I’m not trying to start a debate, just curious. I have never considered breeding (I did have a nice TB mare years ago) and will always buy OTTBs but for those of you that do invest in breeding I am just curious.
What abnormalities?
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What abnormalities?[/QUOTE]
So, you don’t think there are any abnormalities. OK.
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So, you don’t think there are any abnormalities. OK.[/QUOTE]
maybe clarification is in order? what may seem abnormal to you may be fine for others… vice versa…
What I am still reading is clones have higher cancers rates, genetic defects and have a higher rate of lower functioning immune systems. I do understand that scientists are still working to understand how these issues can be addressed.
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So, you don’t think there are any abnormalities. OK.[/QUOTE]
What abnormalities are you talking about?
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What I am still reading is clones have higher cancers rates, genetic defects and have a higher rate of lower functioning immune systems. I do understand that scientists are still working to understand how these issues can be addressed.[/QUOTE]
not being inflammatory – where are you reading this? i am interested in reading it.
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So, you don’t think there are any abnormalities. OK.[/QUOTE]
Did I say that?
You threw out a blanket “anyone have problems with the abnormalities?” and I simply asked “what are you talking about?”
I really do not want to debate cloning, but just google cons for animal cloning. I was just curious about the thoughts on cloned horses from breeders and buyers. It is an interesting new technology and I was just trying to understand how it is perceived.
if you’re going to throw out that you are reading about abnormalities such as what you mentioned, then you should put here where you are reading about it. Obviously at least 2 of us haven’t heard of any issues.
I googled “horse clone higher cancer rate” and didn’t find anything. That doesn’t mean there’s nothing, but a quick search of mine isn’t giving me anything. Obviously you have already found something, so…
It really doesn’t matter. I find the science very fascinating and was curious of the perception that’s all.
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I really do not want to debate cloning, but just google cons for animal cloning. I was just curious about the thoughts on cloned horses from breeders and buyers. It is an interesting new technology and I was just trying to understand how it is perceived.[/QUOTE]
I think if you are going to make the claims you’re making, you need to back it up with a little more than, “just do a google search”. If you have read scientific proof that mammalian clones suffer from “higher cancer rates, genetic defects, and a higher rate of lower functioning immune systems” to a greater extent than the normal mammalian population, then you should be fully prepared to post links to such scientific proof right here so that we can also read it.
Threads about clones are always full of posts claiming the same thing you are claiming, but I don’t recall anyone ever posting a link to a credible source that backs up these claims with facts.
There are still people out there who believe that Dolly the cloned sheep died from being a clone, when in fact she died of a lung disease that is not only quite common among sheep, but apparently claimed the lives of other non-cloned sheep in her flock. But it’s so much more fun and dramatic to say she died of clone-iitis.
Agreed - pretty annoying.
If you want to know perceptions about it, then people need to be aware of it. If they’re not aware of it, and can’t find it (I even did another search using your terms, still nothing other than how a good deal of this cloning may help find cures for cancer), then you’re not even going to get your curiosity satisfied, and you’ll be another “but I heard from a friend of a friend” .
Again, I am not interested in debating cloned animals. Also, no one is claiming Dolly died from anything different than other sheep have died from, just sooner than most which relates to the immune system.
Also, I do have my answer to the question. Thanks !
Who says we are trying to debate cloning??
You absolutely don’t have your answer to anyone’s perception of “higher cancer rates, genetic defects, and a higher rate of lower functioning immune systems” in cloned animals because nobody here seems to know it exists.
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Again, I am not interested in debating cloned animals. Also, no one is claiming Dolly died from anything different than other sheep have died from, just sooner than most which relates to the immune system.
Also, I do have my answer to the question. Thanks ![/QUOTE]
Could you provide a link to a reliable source of information that shows Dolly died sooner than most sheep that succumb to SPA? I’ve never read that anywhere and couldn’t find any credible links in my search. Thanks!
Is stolen virtue referring to the Smart Little Lena clones? One of the five died of cancer when young and two others had fertility issues.
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